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Salamandre
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posted June 30, 2016 03:03 PM |
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@artu, sorry but you are just like reciting a manual sometimes, like when you were insisting on the concept "immigrant has to support immigration, otherwise is hypocrite or comic". Given that analysis, all that governments have to do is import more migrants, until they are a majority so they win heads and tails, right? Hopefully it does not work that way.
1) There is nothing wrong to prefer your ethnicity. National preference or ethnicity are an extended familial feeling and responsibility. Naturally, you prefer your family to others -this is why you choose to live with, then this attitude is extended to your race/ethnic whatsoever. This DOES NOT mean you claim others to be inferior, but that you feel comfortable between people sharing same values, morals, language, religious & cultural beliefs and cultural traditions, which make it easier for you and them to feel part of a community.
2) I doubt he has anything against Buddhists. We know what that means.
3) Same as 2.
4) We face multicultural challenge from wake up until sleep. Nothing but today I listened to polish composer, read german writer, talk to various people in this forum, watched an American movie and so on. We can't live outside multiculturalism, is part of our world, of our material life. The conflict occurs when you don't face multi-cultures, but a dual culture conflict, like the one threatening the world-wide right now and which only blind people are in denial about. For a society to work and grow, minorities must remain minorities, the name says it. Show me an opposite working example, there isn't.
5) He probably meant if anyone uses the privilege of immigrating in his country, he expects that person to learn the language, is a minimum. We face too often migrants whose poor understanding of the host language prohibits assimilation.
6) Ah labor force. There are millions of people without work on place (5 millions in France as we speak now), yet you think is intelligent to bring millions more, the most often without any competence? This sounds sensed to you? Not to me and I never understood this argument, is based on thin air.
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Ebonheart
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posted June 30, 2016 03:07 PM |
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Minion said:
Ebon you are racist, obviously. A person of color wouldn't be allowed in your neighnourhood had you the power. Duh. In addition you are religiously AND culturally intolerant. Good job buddy. 
I am not a buddy of yours if I am a racist now am I? I do not mind working with others if they share the same norms, obey the law etc. But when you live together, the differences takes the toll on both sides. I experienced multiculture in school, it was problematic to say the least.
Artu said:
Dude, there is no "in my eyes." You directly say you want a white neighborhood and then you put all of the southern hemisphere in your blacklist. (Pun intended.)
If that is not racism, I don't know what is! Are you under the impression that you should be attending lynch mobs to be called one? What exactly did you think racism was?
Sad to say that is not racism to me Artu. Racism to me is when you harm someone physically based on the racial traits, intervene in their lifes because of their race or wish them ill will. But you must understand that this can work both ways, not just white over black. I do not wish anyone ill will (well accept for terrorists I guess), but I am aware of what a mix of cultures bring.
But when I say that I want a white homogenous neighbourhood, I want those of my kin in terms of culture, acting, norms etc. Granted, if someone who is not white would move in I might get suspicious, but that does not mean I would lynch them. If they share the same culture, norms, values etc, then I would have no reason to not accept them, the problem is that it is unlikely this will happen because of the cultural differences for both ends, because it might not feel right for them either.
But I must say though, both of your replies are seething with rage.
Edit: I think you summed my thoughts up very well Sal.
And no I got nothing against buddhists, all I try to point out is that mixing cultures by living together is a very bad thing. Even Dalai Lama himself has said this multiple times.
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posted June 30, 2016 03:12 PM |
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Would you or would you not pass laws that prevent lets say blacks moving into your neighbourhood? If you think that only by beating someone you are hurting them, that is absurd.
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Zenofex
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posted June 30, 2016 03:13 PM |
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JollyJoker said:
I will answer by quoting something that MAD Magazine would often answer their fake letters from readers with. "You can demand it, but whether you'll get it is a totally different matter."
Or, in other words - why bother?
Because if the majority of the population refuses to vote for certain candidates, the system gets stuck and it can remain stuck indefinitely long until appropriate candidates finally appear. This requires only people who can be bothered to give their protest vote against all candidates, if the system does not provide adequate ones. At some point the lobbyists who pay the parties will have to come up with someone decent enough because interim periods of political drifting endanger, reduce or completely destroy their profit - you need someone to make laws, regulations, take decisions, make plans, advance the strategical goals, etc. to be have some certainty about your income. It's that simple actually but it requires a bit of a "bothering" - which in this case is very simple because you just do nothing until you are given a choice you can vote for without disgust.
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Ebonheart
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posted June 30, 2016 03:15 PM |
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Minion said:
Would you or would you not pass laws that prevent lets say blacks moving into your neighbourhood? If you think that only by beating someone you are hurting them, that is absurd.
I would not have any issues letting anyone with a different skinn colour or appearance move in.
What I am trying to point out is that for me, nothing is about race - everything is about culture.
It is very difficult to let go off a culture you have grown up with, take on new norms and ditch the old etc.
Seeing how most people can't do that, it is best to not live in the same area, ya dig?
And I can extend it to not letting them onto the bus or share a seat with you, but once again this is something I do not accept myself or anyone doing. Like I said race is not the issue, culture is.
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posted June 30, 2016 03:23 PM |
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Zenofex said:
JollyJoker said:
I will answer by quoting something that MAD Magazine would often answer their fake letters from readers with. "You can demand it, but whether you'll get it is a totally different matter."
Or, in other words - why bother?
Because if the majority of the population refuses to vote for certain candidates, the system gets stuck and it can remain stuck indefinitely long until appropriate candidates finally appear. This requires only people who can be bothered to give their protest vote against all candidates, if the system does not provide adequate ones. At some point the lobbyists who pay the parties will have to come up with someone decent enough because interim periods of political drifting endanger, reduce or completely destroy their profit - you need someone to make laws, regulations, take decisions, make plans, advance the strategical goals, etc. to be have some certainty about your income. It's that simple actually but it requires a bit of a "bothering" - which in this case is very simple because you just do nothing until you are given a choice you can vote for without disgust.
Why didn't you read the full post?
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Zenofex
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posted June 30, 2016 03:31 PM |
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I did, quoted only the main part, what does the rest change? The elections are not over when the two mainstream candidates beat their internal opponents, people can still refuse to vote on the main elections.
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artu
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posted June 30, 2016 03:37 PM |
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@Sal
(What I said wasn't exactly "immigrant has to support immigration, otherwise is hypocrite or comic," don't take it out of context. And it was a hypocrite politician who was a native with mixed ancestry, not an immigrant.)
1- First of all, I don't think most of our values has a lot to do with our ethnicity, at least if you are not a very conservative, traditional person and especially if you live in a Metropolitan era. How much of your cultural values has directly something to do with you being a Romanian or (ethnically) Christian? And secondly, even if they had a lot to do with it, we are not talking about picking friends or starting a private club. You don't have to share every value with the people you live on the same street with, you just have to respect each other.
2- The  always flies over your head when you want it to.
3- You can't reduce the whole non-European world into strict, incompatible Islamists. That's not how he specified things.
4- In which country, are the minorities from anywhere are even above something like 20 percent? They are already minorities.
5- Well, with less ghetto's, they'll have to learn the language to be able to work, communicate and do daily stuff anyway. Some who have poor language learning skills trapped in physical labor wouldn't annoy me though, it would be bad just for them.
6- I never said anything about bringing in millions at once, he asked if he was racist listing some of his preferences and I answered sorely based on those preferences.
Ebonheart said:
But when I say that I want a white homogenous neighbourhood, I want those of my kin in terms of culture, acting, norms etc. Granted, if someone who is not white would move in I might get suspicious, but that does not mean I would lynch them. If they share the same culture, norms, values etc, then I would have no reason to not accept them, the problem is that it is unlikely this will happen because of the cultural differences for both ends, because it might not feel right for them either.
But I must say though, both of your replies are seething with rage.
I think no.1 from my answer to Sal already covers that. What is racist is to assume that your ethnicity is a dominant factor on your values. Some ignorant conservatives here think all Nordic people are selfish and they care nothing about their family and friends because that's how their culture is! If I had assumed that about you just because of rumor based on your ethnicity, that would still be racist, I don't have to shoot someone to be prejudiced.
Btw, I will be very glad if you directly quote the part that "seeths" with rage, because it's very clear there is not even the slightest bit of temper in any part of both my replies. Maybe, it seems like that to you, because you already assume it. 
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JollyJoker
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posted June 30, 2016 03:46 PM |
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Zenofex said:
I did, quoted only the main part, what does the rest change? The elections are not over when the two mainstream candidates beat their internal opponents, people can still refuse to vote on the main elections.
But that's the fault of the people, obviously, because there ARE 2 more candidates - and as I said, I had no problems voting one with good conscience.
"Tacitical" voting - you know this crap? The idea that you should not "waste" votes by voting for someone or something that don't have a chance anyway, but instead vote for something that has a realistic chance of winning, because if you waste a vote like that, the opposition may win.
Like, every vote for Stein is a vote Hillary does NOT get, making Trump all the more likely. (Of course that's true the other way as well: every vote for the Libertarians is probably a vote the Republicans will miss against the Dems.)
Tactical voting results in nothing changing - plus, it makes polling so awfully important (I would forbid polls like "who would you vote" for a certain period before an election, like 3 months or so).
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Ebonheart
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posted June 30, 2016 03:48 PM |
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artu said:
I think no.1 from my answer to Sal already covers that. What is racist is to assume that your ethnicity is a dominant factor on your values.
And I agree to this, I might have expressed myself a bit blunt but I do not think I am greater or better than anyone just because I am white and swedish. Frankly, I don't think I have ever made that connection, not even when talking about terrorists.
artu said:
Some ignorant conservatives here think all Nordic people are selfish and they care nothing about their family and friends because that's how their culture is! If I had assumed that about you just because of rumor based on your ethnicity, that would still be racist, I don't have to shoot someone to be prejudiced.
We care for our families but there will always be different cases, but we are rather cold compared to other cultures.
Although I can agree it is not good to judge everyone and everything based on what you hear, this would still not be racist (in my world at least). Because you talk about my culture and the way we behave, not the race.
artu said:
Btw, I will be very glad if you directly quote the part that "seeths" with rage, because it's very clear there is not even the slightest bit of temper in any part of both my replies. Maybe, it seems like that to you, because you already assume it.
But Artu, I can smell it from here (add in some curry and I'm sure it would be tasty).
No really, what I mean by that is that the arguments are getting sharp, not that you are angry.
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artu
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posted June 30, 2016 03:55 PM |
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Well, your arguments aren't exactly delicate flowers either. And this is not me arguing sharply, it's still my buddy mode. I can bring out the Green Hulk, if you want some fun though
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Salamandre
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posted June 30, 2016 03:57 PM |
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No no, keep it. Nocturnal experienced it and no hear from him for a long time.
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Ebonheart
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posted June 30, 2016 03:58 PM |
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artu said:
Well, your arguments aren't exactly delicate flowers either. And this is not me arguing sharply, it's still my buddy mode. I can bring out the Green Hulk, if you want some fun though
Arguments would not be arguments if they were delightful now would they?
Bring out your Hulk by all means and I bring out Scrooge Mc Duck to hold my banner.
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markkur
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posted June 30, 2016 04:03 PM |
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Lay off the Race/Culture prejudice crap
I agree with Ebon and Sal and others.
How many here using that brain-dead-mantra have lived this life that I have?
My best friends have been German, Irish, Italian and Mexican (longest)for periods in my life. I went to an 85% black school for 2 years. I worked in a production plant for 22 years that from roughly 50/50 black/white.
When native Mexican-Americans are saying something is wrong with the attitudes and morals of the new arrivals coming in ungoverned droves without papers shots or any damn thing else, that FACT shoots to she-it the endless RACE painting. Put those large pointless brushes of misdirection away.
And btw I am part Native-American Indian. How many here think that has been solved or anywhere near the free-money given to that crowd that sent in bank-cards to anyone who shows-up breathing with babies in tow? Casinos?-they are "firewater" all over again. And yet NAs have nearly zero voice while naïve well-wishers give the rest of the country away without any damn plans! Get this! The U.S. WAS always been a "well-run melting pot" NOW it is a huge blending-machine that is not controlled, and there is no manual...just the mantras and voodoo chants.
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Kayna
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posted June 30, 2016 06:23 PM |
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When a white guy says something racist, he loses his job, his girlfriend and his reputation, solvable only by moving to another town. When a non white guy says something racist, nothing happens.
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Anil
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posted June 30, 2016 06:48 PM |
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Diversity= White genocide.
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Minion
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posted June 30, 2016 06:54 PM |
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This thread just keeps on giving.
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Ebonheart
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posted June 30, 2016 06:59 PM |
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Minion said:
This thread just keeps on giving.
Well we got blunt racists vs people with convictions of a fanatic - it makes for a good argument thread. (jk)
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Anil
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posted June 30, 2016 07:02 PM |
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Racism isn't bad. This is reality. Everyone is a bit/a lot racist. What is white? Whhere are white countries? That's relative.
For Example Islam ruined my country. My country was more Improved country than Some Western European Countries 60-70 years ago.
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Kayna
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posted June 30, 2016 07:24 PM |
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Anil said:
Diversity= White genocide.
Hm. I don't know. When a couple of different race has a baby, it is always... whiter. Just assuming white isn't even a race, like everyone does.
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