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posted July 02, 2016 01:18 AM |
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Hither targeted Jews not because Jews were committing acts of terror around the world but because of some personal hatred he had of Jews.
Trump is not targeting any religion. He is not rounding up or killing Muslims.
Trump acknowledges the threat Islamic supremacists pose to the US and the world. He is not afraid to say radical Islamic terrorist. Democrat leaders are cloaking the threat Islamic terror with political correctness. Obama had federal training material scrub all references to jihad, Sharia Law, and Islamic terror. The feds ordered Orlando not to release the 9-11 calls because of all the references to Allah, jihad, Islam, and the califate.
ISIS is not all that Islam is. But ISIS is not unrelated to Islam. Islamic terror is a big problem that is only getting bigger. You can't address a problem by pretending it is something that it is not.
The People have a right to know the truth and to have their government address problems rather than redefine problems.
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posted July 02, 2016 01:38 AM |
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I am not a firm believer in prayer, but I have hopes that national security is taking the potential reactions to headlines involving "millions of Americans gathering", very seriously.
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posted July 02, 2016 02:09 AM |
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Elodin said:
Hither targeted Jews not because Jews were committing acts of terror around the world but because of some personal hatred he had of Jews.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1194194/Has-historian-finally-real-reason-Hitlers-obsessive-hatred-Jews.html
"At the time almost half of all German private banks were Jewish owned, the stock exchange dominated by Jewish stockbrokers, almost half of the nation’s newspapers were Jewish run as were 80 per cent of chain stores."
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'With World War One lost and Germany in financial ruin, with revolution threatening, he came to see the Jews as solely responsible for stock-exchange capitalism, which caused acute poverty and suffering when it faltered, and Bolshevism,' said Reuth...
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kiryu133 said:
Here
Now, this is it. Put aside the humor (which is good), this video is one of the many which summarizes what a deceitful character he is. To a degree, bending the facts, cherry-picking, focusing only on one side of a complicated matter and keeping quiet about the rest, etc are things most politicians do from time to time, it's partly how politics operate. But then you have your worst kind of liars, the ones who believe in absolutely nothing and see everything as just power play. Guess what, they are almost all the time, populists. The trick is, Trump penetrates a very overzealous form of political correctness most people are fed up with, and by doing that and that only, he creates the illusion that he is a man devoted to truth, someone who pulls down the satin curtain. "Sure, he can be blunt sometimes but at least he's telling it like it is!" He doesn't, he just knows when to be politically incorrect about a specific issue. So now, you have some son of a multi-millionaire who probably never even used a public bus in his life, and people look up and say "finally, someone who talks and thinks like us without all the facade, who cares if he can be a little bit racist sometimes."
The level he contradicts with himself so consistently, I don't think he is even a genuine bigot, he can change his stance about anything if he gets elected and another stance becomes more convenient.
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posted July 02, 2016 09:56 AM |
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You may find The Wall interesting as well, by the way.
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posted July 02, 2016 10:22 AM |
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It's over for Clinton. Her private server caused problems and frustration, which is why they disabled security features, leaving thousands of top secret documents vulnerable. Her "convenience argument" is dead. The .gov address wouldn't filter into spam folders.
It's a crime to lie to the FBI as well. Really think she can plead the fifth the whole way through this "interview"?
There is no chance she is innocent in all of this. She is **** toast and done.
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posted July 02, 2016 10:56 AM |
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Yet another Clinton scandal. Using insider knowledge to benefit hedge fund manager son-in-law. Time to put the Clinton cartel behind bars.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/07/01/clinton-sought-secret-info-on-eu-bailout-plans-as-son-in-laws-doomed-hedge-fund-gambled-on-greece.html
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posted July 02, 2016 12:03 PM |
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I wonder in which reality some people here live in.
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Anyone important can commit crimes and get away with it. In my opinion, the CIA wont do anything against Clinton if she intends to do her job like they want her to do it.
This "investigation" is probably a farce. Our powers that be loves to bombard us with information, both important and unimportant, which makes it harder for us to understand what's going on. Knowing is half the battle, as they say.
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posted July 02, 2016 05:51 PM |
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kiryu133 said:
Drumpf won't get any real effort from as long as he himself won't grow past the third grade. It's more than the dastardly villain deserve (and besides, his politics and rhetoric are scarily similar to a certain leader of some third Reich. sure, chosen religious targeted group is different but that is about it).
1: Here
Not a perfect rebuttal but a good one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jf3vW0e_Wgc
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If you are an American and care about our country you should watch Eric talk about his book. I would not advise an agnostic nor athiest to buy the book just because the backdrop would likely not be something comfortable.
However, if you will allow "his right to his beliefs" (and just pass his glosses over) during the talk you will hear at least some good stuff about how this nation began. And <imo> something of first importantance that is nearly lost today.
Btw: He thinks his jokes are funny but they generally out of place to me.
Eric Metaxas: IF YOU CAN KEEP IT
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Is a game. Everyone is pushing his arguments and will totally deny the opposite side, using intimidation, call names and so on. Which is part of the game, and is clear that such methods will not change anyone's mind, once he strongly believes what he says. As artu said, too much information and not enough time to check every thing.
But what is important is of factual order. Hillary does not represent the renew, but a continuation of same politics. If you consider America is in good shape after the last 25 years or so, and continuing is the same direction is the right thing, then vote Hillary.
We have sorta same conflict in Europe, however much better candidates, of a better education and culture, sharp arguments, and on both sides. However, seeing how the leftists and socialists (and a part of right too) put all countries they ran into agony and almost civil war, I know I will never again vote for them.
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posted July 02, 2016 06:41 PM |
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Hillary just had a 3.5 hour interview with the FBI. We will not likely learn much unless DOJ decides not to prosecution or until the trial.
Clinton's people is still calling the criminal investigation a security review but the FBI made it clear they do criminal investigations, not reviews.
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posted July 02, 2016 08:56 PM |
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I would not advise an agnostic nor athiest to buy the book just because the backdrop would likely not be something comfortable.
However, if you will allow "his right to his beliefs" (and just pass his glosses over) during the talk you will hear at least some good stuff about how this nation began. And <imo> something of first importantance that is nearly lost today.
Btw: He thinks his jokes are funny but they generally out of place to me.
Yes, 10 minutes of listening to him gave me a serious backdrop of a headache.
It's not just his jokes that are out of place but also his knowledge of history: Claiming a non-monarchy never existed even as a concept before the U.S.A. is ridiculous even by high-school standards. Among the many examples, at least Ancient Greece is known to everyone who ever read the slightest thing about history. While trying to present the foundation of the U.S. as a miracle (and ironically saying something as stupid as "of course, there is no proof of that but it just seems like a miracle") he suggests to return to the founding fathers and gives an example such as "even someone as secular as Benjamin Franklin asked people to pray during X incident." So what? Will we analyze history by people's psychological need or cultural habit to pray under pressing conditions? And if we indeed return to your founding fathers, Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson were both what you would call deists, while they attached great value to the moral teachings of Jesus as a person, and also recognized some kind of super-natural deity that made the universe "work like a clock," they rejected the mythological aspect of the religion. Like many intellectuals of their time, they were mostly influenced by the French philosophers of the Enlightenment such as Voltaire and Diderot. These deist thinkers of that time and your founding fathers who were adoring them were not much different than the atheists of today, what they resented most was superstition and religious dogma trying to explain things with miracles and fables instead of reason and facts.
Every country's "birth" is at some point full of struggle, fighting against the odds, dedication and ideals, and all of them love to propose an egocentric version of history where God or Allah or Odin or whatever magic maker embraced them and blessed them and it was his will (or their in cases of polytheistic cultures) that allowed destiny to fulfill. God(s) must really enjoy bringing into existence all these "chosen" nations constantly fighting over their legitimacy and territory. If you had lost to the Brits, they'd be singing "God Save the Queen" during the victory march.
It's really non-sense to bring in preachers to a thread about politics.
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I would not advise an agnostic nor athiest to buy the book just because the backdrop would likely not be something comfortable.
However, if you will allow "his right to his beliefs" (and just pass his glosses over) during the talk you will hear at least some good stuff about how this nation began. And <imo> something of first importantance that is nearly lost today.
Btw: He thinks his jokes are funny but they generally out of place to me.
Yes, 10 minutes of listening to him gave me a serious backdrop of a headache.
It's not just his jokes that are out of place but also his knowledge of history: Claiming a non-monarchy never existed even as a concept before the U.S.A. is ridiculous even by high-school standards. Among the many examples, at least Ancient Greece is known to everyone who ever read the slightest thing about history. While trying to present the foundation of the U.S. as a miracle (and ironically saying something as stupid as "of course, there is no proof of that but it just seems like a miracle") he suggests to return to the founding fathers and gives an example such as "even someone as secular as Benjamin Franklin asked people to pray during X incident." So what? Will we analyze history by people's psychological need or cultural habit to pray under pressing conditions? And if we indeed return to your founding fathers, Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson were both what you would call deists, while they attached great value to the moral teachings of Jesus as a person, and also recognized some kind of super-natural deity that made the universe "work like a clock," they rejected the mythological aspect of the religion. Like many intellectuals of their time, they were mostly influenced by the French philosophers of the Enlightenment such as Voltaire and Diderot. These deist thinkers of that time and your founding fathers who were adoring them were not much different than the atheists of today, what they resented most was superstition and religious dogma trying to explain things with miracles and fables instead of reason and facts.
Every country's "birth" is at some point full of struggle, fighting against the odds, dedication and ideals, and all of them love to propose an egocentric version of history where God or Allah or Odin or whatever magic maker embraced them and blessed them and it was his will (or their in cases of polytheistic cultures) that allowed destiny to fulfill. God(s) must really enjoy bringing into existence all these "chosen" nations constantly fighting over their legitimacy and territory. If you had lost to the Brits, they'd be singing "God Save the Queen" during the victory march.
It's really non-sense to bring in preachers to a thread about politics.
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posted July 03, 2016 12:59 AM |
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It's really non-sense to bring in preachers to a thread about politics.
It is not nonsense...the guy is not a preacher. Everyone no matter their views has the right to talk about what is best for the country as THEY see it not what "you allow them to say".
He DID mention the Greek City States but (my words) "Athens" (pretty much the only one of the states)...was destroyed by Sparta another Greek state.
What you seem to not want to accept is the Triangle...it has a Faith (label) corner. However, you do not want to allow that corner to be "all of us" and the right to believe in what we each decide. Nearly all of the founding fathers of my country were dead set against a government dictating beliefs to the people and easily allowed that it was possible for someone to not have religion and still have MORALS. Morals was the ticket and had to be preserved. And it still needs to.
Goodness don't make this about it about Religion or your personal crusade again. I gave everyone a heads-up. I asked you to sift through "his lens" to the base of the argument without telling you to see that triangle of necessity. Honestly I thought that would rather blaze-out ahead of everything like it did for me and most anyone else as a common-ground. Each corner must support the others or the whole idea goes out the window.
<imo>The truth is America looks more like Rome now than it ever has; Consumerism married to Politics and controlled Media plus massive military machine is...just Mob Rule in the end.
Tell you what Artu, pretend you are a Christian and care about what Government rules you (make your pretense believable) for say, I don't know, a few months or a maybe year and...take notes. Of course not if your play-acting and put you or you loved ones in danger.
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posted July 03, 2016 03:35 AM |
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Call me old fashion, but if I had a work related email, I'm pretty sure my boss and coworkers would have it. (hello??)
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Alrighty, then....
Happy Independence Day.
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posted July 03, 2016 06:09 AM |
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What has, not allowing people to speak out their faith or dictating them this or that, got to do with anything? Did I suggest the speaker should be put in jail, did I try to force him into abandoning his faith? He can say whatever he wants and I can say whatever I want about the shallowness of his perspective.
And how does it become my personal crusade when (once again) it is not me who brings in religion in a thread not about religion, yet when I criticize what is brought up (and trust me, the guy you linked has a lot to be criticized), you start complaining. Religion is constantly fed to "all of us" through mainstream education, media, politics. Religious groups own TV stations, newspapers, they even try to create their own alternative encyclopedias when they don't like the facts. Yet, somehow they still manage to victimize themselves when an atheist or someone similar gives a conference or writes a book. Suddenly, they are called "militant atheists." Guess what, for the first time in history, it is not only scientists, philosophers and the rest of the intellectual elite who's looking at religion and concluding "this is too much of a fairy tale to be true" but also a very significant portion of the population, because we know more about the universe each passing century, we compare cultures and their ancient faiths with a broader perspective, more objectively and all of that spreads around. So dear Markkur, when you link someone who says something like "it is not proven but doesn't it just look like our nation's birth is a miracle of God" you are going to face objection. Actually, that is, if you are lucky, most people wouldn't take that perspective a bit seriously, they wouldn't even bother with an objection. It is not about morals, it is a theological (also narcissistic and completely irrational) interpretation of historical events. (That's what I meant by preacher, he may not be a preacher in the technical sense but his speech is in the manner of a sermon.) And of course, no, it doesn't look like a miracle and it is completely and reasonably explainable by historical dynamics.
Btw, thanks for your concern but even if I was an actual Christian, that wouldn't put my life in danger here. This is Istanbul, not Kabul, the Ecumenical Patriarch of Orthodoxy lives in here! But instead, how about you try to imagine a history in which the Rome you seem to despise so much had not spread Christianity through Europe. Would you be a Christian now or would you be following the religion of the "Indian" part of your ancestors, who knows... They are extinct cultures and religions. Unfortunately, they didn't take their share of "the founding morals" that you reminisce so much about.
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posted July 03, 2016 03:49 PM |
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The United States was not founded as a theocracy but it had a Christian founding. The vast majority of all of the colonists and founding fathers were Christians. Many of the founding fathers were ordained Christian ministers. So what some call a "fairy tale" founded a nation that while still young is the world's only superpower and nation that more people in the world want to immigrate to than any other. Quite the miracle. 
“We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness”; “the laws of nature and of nature’s God”; “appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world”; “reliance on the protection of divine Providence.” The aforementioned phrases are taken from the Declaration of Independence. The United States was clearly founded on a theistic world view and that world view was Christian
However, the founders did not want a theocracy. They believed all human rights come from God, not from the State. They said one of those rights is the free exercise of religion-a theocracy would be in opposition to this right.
The founding fathers said the Constitution was written for a moral and religious people and would work for no other. They recognized that no document can prevent evil or corruption.
The Constitution defined the new government the People were forming to protect their God-given rights. Each branch of government was to act as a check and balance against the others to help mitigate corruption and so that power would not be concentrated in any of them. Additionally all powers not specifically granted to the federal government (called Enumerated Powers) were declared to be reserved for the People and the States.
Today we see power concentrated more and more with the federal government as the Tenth Ammendment is ignored. We see activist Supreme Court justices ignoring rights that are spelled out in the Constitution and declaring rights the founding fathers wrote nothing of. We see a president effectively making laws that directly oppose actual laws passed by Congress. We see a Congress where all that matters is party. A handful of corrupt Senators can prevent a lawless president from being convicted on impeachment charges.
Today we see a corrupt government because the People elected corrupt people or people who have become corrupt over the years. The People elected corrupt politicians because the People are becoming less moral. The piped piper politicians play a song of "Free, freeeee, freeeeeee!" to gain a following. Other politicians dispense the poison of identity politics, demonizing one group of people to win the votes of another group. Other politicians begin with good intentions but give in to offers of more power and wealth over the years.
I proposed earlier that no document can prevent corruption. What then is the solution? For starters, We the People need to be moral in our own lives. A moral people will tend to elect moral leaders. Character of a leader does matter. Why should we think that if we elect an immoral person the person can be trusted to behave morally once in office?
"If once the people become inattentive to the public affairs, you and I, and Congress and Assemblies, Judges and Governors, shall all become wolves. It seems to be the law of our general nature, in spite of individual exceptions." The above was written by Thomas Jefferson. We the People must jealously guard our liberty. Uninformed and inattentive flocks will be devoured by the wolves. We must demand our leaders follow the laws and protect our rights.
I would like to see term limits for Congress. If Congress won't pass a Constitutional Ammendment to limit their terms We the People should vote them out every couple of terms. I would also like to see term limits on all federal judges, including SCOTUS judges. Lifetime appointments were intended to make justices immune to politics. However it has resulted in a handful of unelected people legislating from the bench.
Governments devolving into tyranny is the rule, not the exception. Our founders fully expected that there would be a need for other revolutions. Which is one reason for the Second Ammendment. Hopefully the United States government can be saved before it comes to that.
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posted July 03, 2016 04:43 PM |
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Yall are like Gods with such profound insight compared to my basic cut and dry logic bits to be honest lol
I feel it would be respectful to let the majority of you know I can't communicate or understand on the depths yall do, Artu, Elodin, markkur etc etc etc. I am not ignoring, I just can't grasp the way you relate and convey information.
Not claiming to be stupid, just different. I know I have pro's and con's. But I just wanted to say, wow... Ya'll are deep. I wish I could get in with that line.
(on another note - hillary will be indicted . Bernie Stands against war. This is a chance for humanity improve the world, nurture harmony, etc, etc, EVOLVE practically in a vast number of ways. Evolve, change for the better, the difference is the changes we can make are so drastic, we can potentially mark a new age.)
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