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posted July 05, 2016 02:08 PM |
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kiryu133 said:
The resources put on that could've been put on investigating Donald "child-molester" Drumpf instead...
You know, the person who is ACTUALLY a criminal?
Trump is a criminal, Hillary is a criminal, Sanders is a criminal - hell everyone is a criminal!
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posted July 05, 2016 05:31 PM |
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Speaking of criminals - did you know that the US have more prisoners than China? 2.2 million people behind bars, half of them on drug-related crimes.
How crazy is that?
I mean, it's interesting that everyone in the US is speaking about how important freedom is and how the government isn't supposed to meddle with stuff that should be up to the individual - but then it's legal to post porn pics of your GF against her will, while it's illegal to sell sex, or drugs. Having 1% of the population in jail, I mean, that's incredible, right?
So how can that be?
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posted July 05, 2016 05:39 PM |
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You miss so many factors in your comparison that all I can do is smile mate. 
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posted July 05, 2016 05:41 PM |
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posted July 05, 2016 05:42 PM |
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China and USA, let alone US vs the world.
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posted July 05, 2016 05:44 PM |
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I don't see where is the problem, unless you stick to the demagogic aspect. Freedom includes public security and a minority of flake compassionate leftists have a hard time to dig that, both in EU and US. Until the crime knocks at their own door, thats it.
When a criminal is in prison, this means he can't harm the honest people. It is government's first duty to isolate criminals from the others.
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posted July 05, 2016 05:52 PM |
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Bull. The US have more prisoners than China, that's a fact, and there isn't anything to miss about it except that the US have 319 mio population, while China has 1.36 bio, or more than 4 times. US has 2.24 mio prisoners, while China has 1.64 mio in 2014.
What factors are you missing here it's just simple numbers.
China: 1.36 bio people, 1.64 mio prisoners or 0.12%
US: 319 mio people, 2.24 mio prisoners or 0.7% - nearly 6 times as many in relation.
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posted July 05, 2016 05:52 PM |
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Salamandre said:
I don't see where is the problem
The problem is they have private prisons and the interest of the companies managing them and the interest of the general population differ tremendously. They annouce to the potential share holder's that they have a great reincidence, for instance.
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posted July 05, 2016 05:58 PM |
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Salamandre said:
I don't see where is the problem, unless you stick to the demagogic aspect. Freedom includes public security and a minority of flake compassionate leftists have a hard time to dig that, both in EU and US. Until the crime knocks at their own door, thats it.
When a criminal is in prison, this means he can't harm the honest people. It is government's first duty to isolate criminals from the others.
So what do you want to say? That in the US a disproportinately large part of really mean people are at home? That the US police is extraordinarily good? That the laws are great? What?
We have 81 mio people in Germany and 54.500 in prison in 2014. That is 0.07%. 10 times less than in the US. Go figure.
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posted July 05, 2016 06:02 PM |
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Do you realize how weird is to compare with China, while the main reason Chinese have so little crime is exactly the one you deny the existence?
Look at the minorities corner, then at prisons population statistics, then at immigration politics from both countries. Because the social excuse, you won't be able to pull it here, Chinese are among the poorest, yet they do not produce crime.
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posted July 05, 2016 06:33 PM |
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Comparing US inmate rates with Germany can be reasonable, both immigrant taking countries with liberal laws and transparent statistics. When it comes to China, too many different factors kick in, there's death penalty in China and they dont only execute murderers like some of the American states, they also execute drug dealers, they have a really high execution rate and the exact numbers are "state secret." They also have more oppressive laws in many cases which may decrease crime but at the price of restricting individual liberties by Western standards.
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posted July 05, 2016 06:41 PM |
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Do YOU realize how completely clueless you are? The amount of prisoners in China is NOT low. Compared with Germany it's HIGH. It's just that it's EXTREMELY high in the US. Compared with every country, because it has the highest percentage rate of all countries; well, no, that's grossly exaggerated - second highest. Seycheless have even more people in prison.
Here is the table of percentages for Europ. (1000 would be 1%).
And that is Northern America.
This is Asia - note Japan (who incidentally have a very high life expectancy).
So bottom line is. US prisons are full, and they cost the country a fortune.
Reasons?
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posted July 05, 2016 06:46 PM |
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And what exactly is it that you wish to say or change with this JJ? I have a very hard time getting a grip on how you do your comparisons and an even harder time figuring out what in the world you wish to point out and why?
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posted July 05, 2016 06:46 PM |
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artu said:
Comparing US inmate rates with Germany can be reasonable, both immigrant taking countries with liberal laws and transparent statistics. When it comes to China, too many different factors kick in, there's death penalty in China and they dont only execute murderers like some of the American states, they also execute drug dealers, they have a really high execution rate and the exact numbers are "state secret." They also have more oppressive laws in many cases which may decrease crime but at the price of restricting individual liberties by Western standards.
The point here is that China is supposedly arbitrary in its laws and applies hard penalties, but they don't have the death penalty for everything. In fact they should have a lot of prisoners that wouldn't be prisoners in the US which should make up for something.
But the main point is that half of the US prisoners are in jail because of drug related crimes. Which is a joke considering what it costs to house an offender a year in prison AND what is lost in economic power to drug related crime organizations. It's basically some kind of national suicide.
And by the way
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posted July 05, 2016 06:55 PM |
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Ebonheart said:
And what exactly is it that you wish to say or change with this JJ? I have a very hard time getting a grip on how you do your comparisons and an even harder time figuring out what in the world you wish to point out and why?
The thread is "politics in the US". Now, fact is, US have the most prisoners in the worls, absolutely as well as in relation to population.
Why is that? Simple enough question. I mean, they are paying a lot of money for housing so many prisoners. A HELL of a lot of money. TAX money. That could be used for better purposes, obviously.
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posted July 05, 2016 06:57 PM |
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JollyJoker said:
Do YOU realize how completely clueless you are? The amount of prisoners in China is NOT low. Compared with Germany it's HIGH.
Reasons?
May I ask you, as german proud and very vocal on justice citizen, how many of the aggressors from Cologne are now in jail, by german police care?
From 1500 aggressions reported, there is not a single one in jail, at the moment we speak. So, yes compared to the impotent Germany, China crimes look high. The day when your police will have the guts and catch a criminal, we may speak again.
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posted July 05, 2016 06:58 PM |
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kiryu133 said:
The resources put on that could've been put on investigating Donald "child-molester" Drumpf instead...
You know, the person who is ACTUALLY a criminal?
Why do you call Trump a child molester? Bill Clinton flew many times on Pedophile 1 with a known pedophile who had teenage prostitutes on board. Certainly there is no way Hillary did not know this.
But I have heard no one but you call Trump a pedophile.
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posted July 05, 2016 07:15 PM |
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kiryu133 said:
The resources put on that could've been put on investigating Donald "child-molester" Drumpf instead...
You know, the person who is ACTUALLY a criminal?
Oh, Berlusconi, I didn't know you browsed these forums.
And why are people still dead-naming Trump? His family changed surname, his surname is Trump, or should we call the Windsors Sachsen-Coburg und Gotha?
Also why should it be an insult to call him Drumpf?
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posted July 05, 2016 07:20 PM |
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Okay JJ, so am I correct when I understand you as you want the US to increase executions and execute all their prisoners to save money? Or are you saying that something that causes these high amounts of prisoners needs fixing?
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posted July 05, 2016 07:22 PM |
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And why are people still dead-naming Trump? His family changed surname, his surname is Trump, or should we call the Windsors Sachsen-Coburg und Gotha?
This is why.
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