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posted July 05, 2016 08:04 PM |
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So, libs want Pedophile Bill back in the White House. Madam President would have a double meaning!
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/05/13/flight-logs-show-bill-clinton-flew-on-sex-offenders-jet-much-more-than-previously-known.html
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Former President Bill Clinton was a much more frequent flyer on a registered sex offender’s infamous jet than previously reported, with flight logs showing the former president taking at least 26 trips aboard the “Lolita Express” -- even apparently ditching his Secret Service detail for at least five of the flights, according to records obtained by FoxNews.com.
Clinton’s presence aboard Jeffrey Epstein’s Boeing 727 on 11 occasions has been reported, but flight logs show the number is more than double that, and trips between 2001 and 2003 included extended junkets around the world with Epstein and fellow passengers identified on manifests by their initials or first names, including “Tatiana.” The tricked-out jet earned its Nabakov-inspired nickname because it was reportedly outfitted with a bed where passengers had group sex with young girls.
“Bill Clinton … associated with a man like Jeffrey Epstein, who everyone in New York, certainly within his inner circles, knew was a pedophile,” said Conchita Sarnoff, of the Washington, D.C. based non-profit Alliance to Rescue Victims of Trafficking, and author of a book on the Epstein case called "TrafficKing." “Why would a former president associate with a man like that?”
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posted July 05, 2016 08:23 PM |
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Results are in. As was expected the FBI recommended against filing charges against Clinton.
Hillary Clinton is in the clear. Only right wing fanatics think they "know better" than The FBI. Lol.
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Ebonheart
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posted July 05, 2016 08:31 PM |
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Minion said:
Only right wing fanatics think they "know better" than The FBI. Lol.
Talking with sharpened daggers are we, while at the same time asking others not to use theirs? Lol indeed.
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posted July 05, 2016 08:34 PM |
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The sad consequence of watching too much TV. If TV news only shows extreme left and right, then the whole population must be extreme left or right, right?
Of course. A great way to eclipse great thinkers and truth speakers.
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JollyJoker
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posted July 05, 2016 08:44 PM |
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What a surprise.
@ Ebonheart
It's a simple enough question.
FACTS: US of A - the land of the free - have the most people in prison world-wide, absolutely, over 2.2 million people, as well as relatively, nearly 0.7% of their population.
HOW IS THAT?
I mean, in theory there are a lot of explanations possible.
For example: you may assume that people are all alike all over the world, and the US have the best police in the world. Of that thesy have the harshest laws and put people into prison for every crap. Or that the population of the US has a much higher percentage of "evil" persons (or persons willing to break the law). Or that there are silly laws or a high percentage of career criminals or no reintegration of prisoners or any combination or whatever else.
However, the fact remains that it's problem, because it costs the tax payer a lot of money. And if you think you could change that by increasing the amount of death penalties - not so. If you research a bit, you'l find that the cost of DP are higher, the reason for which is the long time people spend in death row.
With 2.2 million prisoners, though, you cannot solve the problem by sending 1.5 million to their death - fast, especially when there is a significant percentage that is wrongly accused or judged on insufficient evidence or because of faulty lawyer support.
So there you go. Prisoners cost the US around 30.000 Dollars per year per prisoner (parts in federal prisons and part in state prisons).
People like Salamandre seem to think that it's a great thing to put people into prison, not sure why - probably because he thinks prison makes better people of them, no idea.
However, the real question is WHY there are so many peretrators, right?
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blizzardboy
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posted July 05, 2016 08:46 PM |
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Not surprising that she got cleared. Nobody cares about the damn emails.
It's a legally blurry line, which basically means there's not going to be charges, nor should there be.
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posted July 05, 2016 08:54 PM |
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30,000 per year for a prisoner is inaccurately low if you take into consideration the indirect loses, which is that the person is in prison instead of working, spending & living in the real world. So it actually costs more than that because of lose of productivity.
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Ebonheart
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posted July 05, 2016 08:55 PM |
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@JJ
Putting people in prison is done so to make them attone for a crime or suffer more than what a quick death gives.
Like I said, if you think the costs of prison and execution in the US are a problem, propose the prisoners will be executed by gas WW2 style or shot WW2 style. It is cheap and inhuman. I personally do not approve of it.
As for you BB, if you read anything about the case you should know that several people have done similar and yet far less worse things and still been severely punished.
Not that I care that much though, cause I foresee doom and gloom no matter who wins.
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markkur
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posted July 05, 2016 09:02 PM |
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Celfious said:
Again: Bernie is IN the race, and fights against practically everything this establishment democrat Hillary stands for.
Really. I heard a blurb somewhere he wasn't. Well there you go, our helpful and truthful Media. Ok, thanks but now it doesn't matter to me.
I leaned his way for quite a bit and for one good reason...his stance against the Corporations owning the Presidency.
However, after a while I realized he was also wanting to make the State pay for even more than it does, like free-education for all and the country is already in huge debt.
Then I noticed he had little to say about our current immigration boondoggle.
I am at the point now, if immigration is not reformed and controlled again there will be no country to make any changes that anyone pushes in politics.
@JJ
About the prisons in the U.S. you might want to listen to
Chris Hedges Gives a Heartbreaking Speech on Wages of Rebellion
It is long but since he was/is a real journalist that covered many wars and he eventually begins a ministry for blacks (just him) in prisons he tells what he sees. There is NO sermonizing, he gives his background only and briefly at that. The whole talk is about...really grim stuff that he sees happening now. And by the way...much of what he says was heart-breaking to me.
This country needs a serious break from the Bush/Clinton/Bush/Obama machine.
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posted July 05, 2016 09:08 PM |
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JollyJoker said:
People like Salamandre seem to think that it's a great thing to put people into prison, not sure why - probably because he thinks prison makes better people of them, no idea.
Have more conclusion as that one? Because, you know, speaking to a wall isn't much joy for me.
Actually I know how is, in my twenties I did enough dumb things so I got a few weeks in to meditate. And there is one thing I can say, when you get out you learned the hate. Prison is terrible, is a waste of energy, youth and humanity. Should one remain years inside, I can not even imagine what is left of human inside.
However the priority should be on how to keep the honest people safe. We don't know -in the absolute- what causes the crime desire and how to cure it definitely. But if you have a better solution, ne my guest, explain. But please not Merkel style i.e."no pursuits, no arrest, no see". That is simply a disgrace.
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posted July 05, 2016 09:33 PM |
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Minion said:
Results are in. As was expected the FBI recommended against filing charges against Clinton.
Hillary Clinton is in the clear. Only right wing fanatics think they "know better" than The FBI. Lol.
Not sure where this fanboyism comes from, any decent candidate would step down even only because he/she is under suspicion - and not because of something fabricated either - to save the face of the institution he/she wants to represent. Trump is totally unacceptable but waving Hillary's flag just because of that is far from the smartest thing you can do.
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posted July 05, 2016 09:34 PM |
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Salamandre said:
However the priority should be on how to keep the honest people safe.
As I said before, if you turn prisons into private business your priorities and the ones from their CEOs may not be exactly the same, I heard on TYT they were promoting the shares with positive points like high reincidence rates.
For as much as it doesn't work I still prefer a system focused on turning the inmate in to a valuable member of the society, wich is the case for public prisons since the state as a whole has no interest in keeping the population innactive and dependent.
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posted July 05, 2016 09:39 PM |
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Okay, for the third time, I ask why there are SO MANY people in prison in the US compared to everyone else in the world. Not why there ARE people in prison AT ALL.
And I ask that because keeping people in prison costs TAX MONEY. Also, the more people are criminal the more insecure people feel.
So a political goal must be to keep crime and the number of perpetrators SMALL: It saves a lot of money, and it makes people happy.
Back to start. The US - greatest land on earth - have the highest number of prisoners. What does that say about their politicians? The society in general?
Isn't it obvious that something is decidedly wrong in the land of the free? Politically?
Oh, and hint: It's NOT Hillary.
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posted July 05, 2016 09:45 PM |
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Zenofex said:
Minion said:
Results are in. As was expected the FBI recommended against filing charges against Clinton.
Hillary Clinton is in the clear. Only right wing fanatics think they "know better" than The FBI. Lol.
Not sure where this fanboyism comes from, any decent candidate would step down even only because he/she is under suspicion - and not because of something fabricated either - to save the face of the institution he/she wants to represent. Trump is totally unacceptable but waving Hillary's flag just because of that is far from the smartest thing you can do.
And why is that? Because people throw crap and you can't avoid that something sticks? That's the silliest thing I ever heard - step down, because some people want her to?
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posted July 05, 2016 09:51 PM |
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JJ my advice to you is to look at Switerzland and copy their concept.
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posted July 05, 2016 09:57 PM |
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Maybe we are bought up and owned by saudi arabia, I don't know..
I no longer care about this ****. It's partially a relief, while dissapointing. Officially hate this government and #RidiculeFBI.
So long, any chance to restore thr worlds water.
So long, pure foods and accurate labling.
So long, FBI integrity, faith in our legislation, democracy and partial trust in governments
And probably, Hello trump 
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posted July 05, 2016 10:00 PM |
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Zenofex said:
Any decent candidate would step down even only because he/she is under suspicion.
That can be a decent point of view under traditional circumstances but lately, especially in the U.S., the election process also turned into a race of mudslinging and smearing your opponents. So, it's practically near impossible not to be under suspicion from something.
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posted July 05, 2016 10:07 PM |
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Ebonheart said:
JJ my advice to you is to look at Switerzland and copy their concept.
You mean, THE US should, right?
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posted July 05, 2016 10:09 PM |
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markkur said:
Celfious said:
Again: Bernie is IN the race, and fights against practically everything this establishment democrat Hillary stands for.
Really. I heard a blurb somewhere he wasn't. Well there you go, our helpful and truthful Media. Ok, thanks but now it doesn't matter to me.
I leaned his way for quite a bit and for one good reason...his stance against the Corporations owning the Presidency.
However, after a while I realized he was also wanting to make the State pay for even more than it does, like free-education for all and the country is already in huge debt.
Then I noticed he had little to say about our current immigration boondoggle.
I am at the point now, if immigration is not reformed and controlled again there will be no country to make any changes that anyone pushes in politics.
@JJ
About the prisons in the U.S. you might want to listen to
Chris Hedges Gives a Heartbreaking Speech on Wages of Rebellion
It is long but since he was/is a real journalist that covered many wars and he eventually begins a ministry for blacks (just him) in prisons he tells what he sees. There is NO sermonizing, he gives his background only and briefly at that. The whole talk is about...really grim stuff that he sees happening now. And by the way...much of what he says was heart-breaking to me.
This country needs a serious break from the Bush/Clinton/Bush/Obama machine.
Yeh, he was talking to hillary clintons people about the platform.. Trying to get her side to break up banks, end fracking, increase minimum wage, free health care and college education, and stand against the TPP. The next day they pretty much said **** bernie and the average citizen in the 99%. I think our entire future (based on democratic platform if hillary is elected) was decided primarily by votes 7 to 6 on five or six issues. (seen on redacted) but they voted unanimously for more bike trails (yay).
At that point I believe Bernie was considering endorsement, if Hillaries platform were to reflect these things. Now, if he does work with her.. Just like his entire historic pattern.. He will probably stand against the same things. injustice, inequality, and the establishment as a whole writing laws for themselves and their tax evasion as well as tax payers bailouts.
He might stand with her, but his core being as displayed consistently for like 50 years will show he is not standing for her.
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posted July 05, 2016 11:41 PM |
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Zenofex said:
Not sure where this fanboyism comes from, any decent candidate would step down even only because he/she is under suspicion - and not because of something fabricated either - to save the face of the institution he/she wants to represent. Trump is totally unacceptable but waving Hillary's flag just because of that is far from the smartest thing you can do.
This is a horrible idea. Somebody accuses somebody of doing something unsavory, and that candidate is suppose to step down simply because they're under suspicion by a group of people? That places all of the power into the hands of anybody that wants to point fingers.
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