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artu
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posted July 19, 2014 04:27 PM |
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Edited by artu at 16:29, 19 Jul 2014.
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If what you refer to is this post:
Adrius said:
In feminist discussions I don't think our perspectives are worth as much as that of a female. You're talking about the opinion of the oppressor being as valid as that of the oppressed. That doesn't work, we don't get to come and define their struggle against us. You need to be humble as **** and realize that it's not your show.
It does not mean you are an oppressor by just being male and that is a default, inevitable position. It means that in a patriarchal world, you may benefit the advantages of being male without even noticing it and if you are against gender discrimination in that patriarchal world, the first thing you have to acknowledge is that women complaining about actual issues will be different than men saying things like "sure, all is equal" and giving them the room to bring fort their problems their own way (which is trying to understand feminism rather than labeling it as biatching) would be a better way to go. Saying things like "all should be equal, why focus on women" are based on a non-existing symmetry, given the way the world is. And it has been explained over and over again that a specific focus is not contradictory with the premise of equality. However, trying to ignore an existing patriarchy does contradict with the premise of equality, it results in a pseudo-fairness that reproduces the existing situation.
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fred79
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posted July 19, 2014 04:39 PM |
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Edited by fred79 at 16:42, 19 Jul 2014.
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meroe said:
Fred ..... NO. All women do not believe all men are oppressors.
thanks for clarifying. you should know that i didn't read your post where you denied it before, because i was too angry. funny how, that was the only post of yours that i didn't read, on the subject. it was wrong of me anyway to take what one feminist said and apply it to all feminists; but that's understandable, because by not reading the post where you denied it, and by no other posts by feminists seeming to deny it, i took it for truth.
meroe said:
A couple of women born into royalty, does not equate equal opportunities. It simply means that in those countries their fathers or maybe grandfathers challenged the rules of primogeniture. Its the reason why Sweden will eventually have a Queen and not her younger brother as King. That is exactly what happened to Elizabeth II. And its the reason why Spain has a new King and not a Queen, even though he was born years after his older sisters.
i have said twice before, that the united states almost had a female president, and that we have a black(half black) president; even though both are "oppressed". and these are supposedly the masses voting, soooo... ?
meroe said:
However, I have experienced sexism and sexist oppression all my life. From not being allowed to be a choir girl, because the priest only had choir boys. To being brought up in religion that attempted to brainwash me into believing that just because of the accident of me being born a girl, I carried within me the Devil and was responsible for the sins of Eve. To having the option of studying technical drawing and architecture at school taken away from me on the day the class was supposed to start, because due to the lack of funding it was decided only the boys would get to do it. Not to mention recently being looked over for a promotion (that should have been a shoe in, as it was pretty much guaranteed upon taking the temp post) because - and my boss told me honestly, as a women he was frightened that I would eventually get pregnant and as its a small company he couldn't afford the maternity salary. So it was easier for him to keep me on as a temporary contract, but don't take it personally. How should I take it? It isn't a frickin promotion is it?
i absolutely agree that religion is oppressive to women(to say the least). it is my understanding that this is where the entire sexist belief stems from, since religion has been telling females that they are second best for centuries. religion has all kinds of issues to deal with. it sucks that you were exposed to that much sexism at an early age. this, among many, many other reasons, are why i am not religious, and if i had a child, would never let the child be subjected to its more anti-equality teachings.
regarding your boss: where do you live? you said the states, right? sue your boss. of course, that might reflect on any future hirings(much like a whistleblower would) due to the ****ed up nature of business... my advice to you is, either find another job, or find yourself someone special who will take care of that man for you. of course, i would choose the latter myself, since that kind of **** should never be tolerated by anyone.
meroe said:
These are just a few examples, there are more. Treatment at work, guys believing that if a woman has a bust that somehow its public domain and that shouting out "show us your tits" from cars, from bars, from the street is 'funny', or 'its just a laugh love, get a sense of humor'. Or even being accosted on the streets and groped. "Don't take it wrong love, but I couldn't help myself". Like that is okay ????? 'Just high jinks darling'.
this has all happened to you? where the **** do you live? ***holeville?
meroe said:
Even now girls are still brought up to always "look nice", "never speak out of turn", "always be nice, people don't like a mouthy girl", "don't be too ambitious". "Why would you want to be a doctor and do all that studying when you can be a nice little nurse".
Its more prevalent than you realize. That being said, it doesn't make you a bad guy. But to deny oppression would be a bad thing.
this sounds like early 1900's tripe. was this all said to you? if you have experienced this directly, it sounds to me like you had some particularly ****ty parents. either that, or you lived in the wrrrronnnng country...
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meroe said:
I hope this clears things up for you a little. Just because you are man does not make you an oppressor. Its actions that do that.
thanks for clarifying again. i addressed the first paragraph in the above.
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fred79
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posted July 19, 2014 04:44 PM |
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Edited by fred79 at 16:45, 19 Jul 2014.
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artu said:
If what you refer to is this post:
Adrius said:
In feminist discussions I don't think our perspectives are worth as much as that of a female. You're talking about the opinion of the oppressor being as valid as that of the oppressed. That doesn't work, we don't get to come and define their struggle against us. You need to be humble as **** and realize that it's not your show.
i wasn't talking about this post. the post i was addressing, that started it all, i pointed out at the end of page 8.
are we going to discuss this, or do you want to go back to ignoring each other?
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artu
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posted July 19, 2014 05:04 PM |
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I didn't go through all of the "really sickens" thread because there was too much trolling in it for my taste. Looking at the sentence you underline, it wouldn't be fair to call your interpretation as a straw man, however, I still think what Adrius actually means is something closer to what I mention above, because he targets the patriarchy not being born with a dick. (He has one, too.) It is a very foolish choice of words to express the idea though. Anyway, it wasn't in this thread and it does not constitute mainstream feminism, so, it's quite beside the point.
I don't intend to go to full-length discussions with you in the OSM, but that doesn't mean we should act like 5 year olds either. In cases such as this, it would be better to resolve little misunderstandings simply by asking what we meant and clarifying any conflict. That way, all of the points will be presented more accurately.
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meroe
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posted July 19, 2014 06:39 PM |
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fred79 said:
meroe said:
Fred ..... NO. All women do not believe all men are oppressors.
thanks for clarifying. you should know that i didn't read your post where you denied it before, because i was too angry. funny how, that was the only post of yours that i didn't read, on the subject. it was wrong of me anyway to take what one feminist said and apply it to all feminists; but that's understandable, because by not reading the post where you denied it, and by no other posts by feminists seeming to deny it, i took it for truth.
meroe said:
A couple of women born into royalty, does not equate equal opportunities. It simply means that in those countries their fathers or maybe grandfathers challenged the rules of primogeniture. Its the reason why Sweden will eventually have a Queen and not her younger brother as King. That is exactly what happened to Elizabeth II. And its the reason why Spain has a new King and not a Queen, even though he was born years after his older sisters.
i have said twice before, that the united states almost had a female president, and that we have a black(half black) president; even though both are "oppressed". and these are supposedly the masses voting, soooo... ?
and you think that Hillary Clinton's 45 year struggle to get where she is after having to wait behind her husband in order to bide her time before mainstream society would be prepared for a woman president, to being eclipsed by a black president because most of us felt that having a black president was the greatest gift to modern society, rather than a female - proves that women are not oppressed?Most people recognize that Hillary is in fact more intelligent than her husband. And she was probably the driving force behind his successful career. However, she has not reaped the rewards of that has she. No, she had to stand behind her husband when he became president, as there was no way in hell a woman was going to be president then. Or even now.
I mean if we look at most female leaders we see a recurrent theme. Benazir Bhutto, born into an politically powerful family. The daughter of a previous Prime Minister. Educated. Later assassinated. Corazon Aquino, wife of an assassinated Senator, who was running against the hated President Marcos. Indira Gandhi, only child of former Indian Prime Minister, Jawaharlal Nehru. She was also assassinated. Begum Khaleda Zia, another Prime Minister, who was also married to the previous Prime Minister of Bangladesh. Ugh I could list more, but then its just like taking a sledgehammer to crack a nut. What I am clumsily trying to explain is that these women have often only ended up in positions of power by default, especially those outside the Western world. So just because a woman has become Prime Minister of a country or President, does not for one moment mean that everything is now equal between the sexes.
Most women have had to sneak in via the back door, in most walks of life, not just in politics. Only becoming credible as a support act to her husband. That is oppression, Fred.
meroe said:
However, I have experienced sexism and sexist oppression all my life. From not being allowed to be a choir girl, because the priest only had choir boys. To being brought up in religion that attempted to brainwash me into believing that just because of the accident of me being born a girl, I carried within me the Devil and was responsible for the sins of Eve. To having the option of studying technical drawing and architecture at school taken away from me on the day the class was supposed to start, because due to the lack of funding it was decided only the boys would get to do it. Not to mention recently being looked over for a promotion (that should have been a shoe in, as it was pretty much guaranteed upon taking the temp post) because - and my boss told me honestly, as a women he was frightened that I would eventually get pregnant and as its a small company he couldn't afford the maternity salary. So it was easier for him to keep me on as a temporary contract, but don't take it personally. How should I take it? It isn't a frickin promotion is it?
i absolutely agree that religion is oppressive to women(to say the least). it is my understanding that this is where the entire sexist belief stems from, since religion has been telling females that they are second best for centuries. religion has all kinds of issues to deal with. it sucks that you were exposed to that much sexism at an early age. this, among many, many other reasons, are why i am not religious, and if i had a child, would never let the child be subjected to its more anti-equality teachings.
regarding your boss: where do you live? you said the states, right? sue your boss. of course, that might reflect on any future hirings(much like a whistleblower would) due to the ****ed up nature of business... my advice to you is, either find another job, or find yourself someone special who will take care of that man for you. of course, i would choose the latter myself, since that kind of **** should never be tolerated by anyone.
I did find another job, the one I am in now. But what I am saying is that problems like the still happen and more often than we'd like to admit.
meroe said:
These are just a few examples, there are more. Treatment at work, guys believing that if a woman has a bust that somehow its public domain and that shouting out "show us your tits" from cars, from bars, from the street is 'funny', or 'its just a laugh love, get a sense of humor'. Or even being accosted on the streets and groped. "Don't take it wrong love, but I couldn't help myself". Like that is okay ????? 'Just high jinks darling'.
this has all happened to you? where the **** do you live? ***holeville?
Fred, that behavior is seen all over the place, even more so when guys have had a few to drink or are in a group of guys. Somehow men have convinced themselves that women enjoy that attention. Wolf whistles and cat calls, jumping out at you, barring your way "just a little kiss and I will let you go". That happened to me last year in the subway back in England. There was no one else around as I had just missed the damn train and this guy came up to me and refused to let me pass until he got a kiss. It was terrifying. But how many times has a group of guys harassed a lone female on her way. "We're not going to hurt her, just having a bit of fun". Yeah maybe fun for them, but frickin terrifying for us. Just because you would not dream of behaving this way around women, doesn't mean that others haven't or still do.
meroe said:
Even now girls are still brought up to always "look nice", "never speak out of turn", "always be nice, people don't like a mouthy girl", "don't be too ambitious". "Why would you want to be a doctor and do all that studying when you can be a nice little nurse".
Its more prevalent than you realize. That being said, it doesn't make you a bad guy. But to deny oppression would be a bad thing.
this sounds like early 1900's tripe. was this all said to you? if you have experienced this directly, it sounds to me like you had some particularly ****ty parents. either that, or you lived in the wrrrronnnng country...
Fred, please do not insult me but saying I am talking tripe, that is uncalled for. No its not tripe. And those messages are bombarded into females brains from the moment she takes her first breath. "Girls wear pink to make the boys wink". (Why should we care about making boys wink?? Is that our only worth?) You yourself in the 'really sickenss' thread admonished me for not behaving with grace and dignity regarding my posting. Why, because as a female you didn't feel my arguing about feminism, something I am obviously more in touch with than anyone else here on this forum, shouldn't be done with such a bombastic, aggressive and 'male' attitude. However, you never once admonished JeremiahEmo for his obvious provoking and insulting 'denial'. JeremiahEmo has practically denied any existence of oppression towards females and attempted to turn it into "oh woe us poor men". Yet every time someone has proved him wrong, he has denied it. Prove it, he says, as though reading a newspaper doesn't prove it all the time. Yet instead, it was my posting that upset you.
Let me clarify Fred, that doesn't make you a bad guy. I know you are not a bad guy, but this is what we mean when we talk about how subtle oppression and sexism can be. If I was a guy replying like that to JE, you wouldn't have cared. And I have been no more aggressive than any of the other posters.
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meroe said:
I hope this clears things up for you a little. Just because you are man does not make you an oppressor. Its actions that do that.
thanks for clarifying again. i addressed the first paragraph in the above.
Any oppression is an ugly thing. But we can do two things - we can be like JeremiahEmo and deny its existence - "women are not oppressed", "give me examples","See my point here? Intellectuals would talk about what the person has to say. Normal people would talk about appearance. That's regardless of gender. Well.. actually, unless she's hot. My friends would fall inlove with her because she's smart AND hot. So, being good looking is actually just a bonus.". Go back and read his posts, trolling at its finest. He is the type who would refuse to believe in the Holocaust.
Or we can be honest with ourselves and accept that we have most probably been guilty of some form of oppression without even knowing it. We have no need to berate or blame for those incidents. What we need is to maturely and honestly discuss and improve social mores and mindsets so that we can work to improving everyone's life, male and female, minorities, children etc. But we can't do that if we refuse to accept or deny our actions and the past.
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posted July 19, 2014 07:07 PM |
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I'm not sure I'd count Hilary Clinton as the paragon of feminism.
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meroe
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posted July 19, 2014 07:37 PM |
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I only mentioned her Corribus, because Fred brought her up as an example.
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JeremiahEmo
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posted July 19, 2014 08:06 PM |
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meroe said:
I have experienced sexism and sexist oppression all my life. From not being allowed to be a choir girl, because the priest only had choir boys.
Uhmm yeah, this is sexism. I'll give you that. I don't think it's as bad though. It's sexism on the basis that it's stereotyping but I don't think it's prejudice or discrimination.
For instance, suitcase openers from Deal or No Deal. Not that I want to be one but Deal or No Deal would definitely only hire female suitcase openers. It's not prejudice or discrimination. You know what I mean?
meroe said:
To being brought up in religion that attempted to brainwash me into believing that just because of the accident of me being born a girl, I carried within me the Devil and was responsible for the sins of Eve.
I'm sorry that happened to you. I can totally understand since I have a friend who was indirectly trained to hate himself by his own mother because he's male and he's an oppressor. I'm not lying, this is a true story. His mother is a radical feminist.
To make the long story short, he became an MRA after he realized this mindset is not doing him any good.
meroe said:
To having the option of studying technical drawing and architecture at school taken away from me on the day the class was supposed to start, because due to the lack of funding it was decided only the boys would get to do it.
Do you know the exact reason? Just so you know, just because there is one pattern doesn't mean it's the only correct one. I'm not belittling you or anything but it could be that the boys happen to be smarter. You always prioritize the person who would most likely make it, right? Hey, that's one possibility.
meroe said:
Not to mention recently being looked over for a promotion (that should have been a shoe in, as it was pretty much guaranteed upon taking the temp post) because - and my boss told me honestly, as a women he was frightened that I would eventually get pregnant and as its a small company he couldn't afford the maternity salary. So it was easier for him to keep me on as a temporary contract, but don't take it personally. How should I take it? It isn't a frickin promotion is it?
I don't see how this is sexism at all. I mean the company can't afford maternity leaves, it's completely understandable.
It's like saying you're being discriminated against because the company didn't accept you working as a painter because you're blind. You know what I mean?
If you weren't planning to have kids, you should have specify that with your employer.
meroe said:
meroe said:
Even now girls are still brought up to always "look nice", "never speak out of turn", "always be nice, people don't like a mouthy girl", "don't be too ambitious". "Why would you want to be a doctor and do all that studying when you can be a nice little nurse".
There will always be stereotypes. But hey, I'm trying to disprove that women face more sexism than men.
Boys on the other hand are brought up to be strong. My sister and her husband keeps telling my nephew to never cry or never be afraid.
My nephew is scared of spiders and she keeps telling him that boys aren't supposed to be afraid of anything.
Not that it's a bad thing, I always want boys that I have a hand in raising to remain boys. snow feminization of boys. But hey, people consider that sexism, and it is.
meroe said:
Its more prevalent than you realize. That being said, it doesn't make you a bad guy. But to deny oppression would be a bad thing.
I for one am not denying anything. Of course oppression based on gender happens. I just disagree that it happens worst on women that it is on men.
While women face oppression, mostly feelings-based, men has far more problems than some highschool drama. To name a few:
- bias family court system
- divorce and child support heavily favoring women
- male disposability: yes, this is a real thing. Murder victims are mostly men and by a huge margin. And as I explained in my previous post, rape victims are also mostly men if you count prison rape.
- men commit suicide more often
- prostate cancer hardly gets attention. At least compared to breast cancer.
- no male spaces
- no male-only company. I mean in my place, I've already seen at least two companies that is exclusively all-female. I doubt a male-only company would even exist without feminists trying to bring it down.
- 0% tolerance of boys' natural behaviour in academia
and many more...
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JeremiahEmo
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posted July 19, 2014 08:08 PM |
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Corribus said:
I'm not sure I'd count Hilary Clinton as the paragon of feminism.
Hillary did say
"Women are the real victims of war".
Which sounds like what many feminists would say.
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fred79
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posted July 19, 2014 08:09 PM |
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look, meroe, it is clear you have very personal feelings about this, from things that happened to you personally. me, i have never seen this kind of behavior, in any of the bars that i have been in, or out in public, or even at parties; with any of the people i have ever been with. the closest thing that i have seen, that actually resemble the instances that you describe, was when an old friend was smothering his girlfriend with affection, and she dumped him because he couldn't keep his composure in public. she also wasn't the particularly affectionate type. she had had a bad upbringing as well(a rampant issue), and she closed her soft little core off to people, and kept up a very rigid exterior(in regards to affection, or closeness). no one can blame her, either. but her hard shell kept a lot of people out.
i don't think it would be proactive to continue this conversation with you, as the experiences that you have had, are outweighing the reality of the entire issue; and it is clear that your anger is not going to allow me to compel you otherwise.
no hard feelings, ok? i don't hate you, or women. i have much of the same anger towards different people, for different reasons. my anger gets in the way of my understanding, as well. so i won't begrudge you yours. it is a natural reaction to being treated in ways you don't like.
btw, i wasn't talking about hillary clinton; it doesn't matter who she is, or what she represents. what matters, what i was pointing out, was that she was a female running for president, and that she could have won. i wouldn't be surprised to see a female president next. i would be happy to see one, in fact.
not that i personally believe that whoever is president actually matters. i just would like to see everyone who is qualified to be up there as "leader" of the united states. i want the masses united, and i want people working together, without all the stupid bickering amongst everyone.
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posted July 19, 2014 08:30 PM |
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i don't think it would be proactive to continue this conversation with you, as the experiences that you have had, are outweighing the reality of the entire issue; and it is clear that your anger is not going to allow me to compel you otherwise.
I have several friends who have intimated similar things to me. I think it's very widespread and you probably don't see it much, because the people that do this wouldn't want to say/ do such things when these women have friends nearby that stick up for them.
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artu
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posted July 19, 2014 08:47 PM |
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It must be quite maddening for meroe to be constantly accused of getting emotional when most she does is give out routine examples. It's especially ironic, in a thread on feminism and when people claim, discriminative models are not around them!
Okay, fred, let me get out of my way to explain something to you, this time:
You start by saying both parties have a point, then someone who is not illiterate about the subject reacts to that by saying:
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Oh, please, fred, just STOP the crap - there are not good points on both sides, since there are no two sides. Or what is the supposed second side's POSITION is supposed to be? That feminism is evil women trying to talk gullible men into having a bad conscience by drastically exaggerating the actual inequality?
You switch to saying feminism is mainly crap and in the first world countries there are no problems anymore. People including me, bring up examples, give links, I mention the religious effect. You say, yes, of course religion causes such things, and given the fact that US is a pretty religious country, that means it keeps on producing gender discrimination on a sociological basis, not by singled out examples. However, when meroe brings you examples of things you claim to not exist anymore, you this time, again, respond by saying "you are too emotional about this, these things are not common anymore cause I don't witness them."
Who do you think is the real emotional one here? You are like a blind man finding his way through touching things in the dark and making assumptions, mainly because the accusation of sexism may somehow involve you in an indirect way.
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fred79
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posted July 19, 2014 08:50 PM |
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Edited by fred79 at 21:05, 19 Jul 2014.
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meroe
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posted July 19, 2014 08:58 PM |
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Well I thought things couldn't get any worse. How wrong. How, so wrong.
I have had to take a few moments to compose myself after JE and Fred's posts. Mainly JE's.
But first off I need to say this. Had JE claimed that instead of women not being oppressed, but that racial minorities were not oppressed and that black people had over exaggerated the slave trade. Corribus and other moderators would have been on him with the CoC like a ton of bricks.
Everything I have said, quoted, described as been completely ignored by JE. He makes statements to proof, such as "yeah, but I don't think its still that bad". AS though somehow he thinks that is gospel.
I mean everything that he has answered to my post is appalling. I can't even think where to start.
"If you weren't planning to have kids, you should have specify that with your employer. " Oppression. What difference does that make?? I can do the job. Why should anything be denied me because of my sex? Seriously can none of you get this?? What the hell is wrong with you?
I took the job with the promise of a promotion. I worked frickin hard for those people. I knew full well that they could not afford maternity as a small company, and as such knew that should I have decided to start a family, I would have to plan to leave. Hell that wasn't difficult to understand?? What the hell is wrong with you?
"Do you know the exact reason? Just so you know, just because there is one pattern doesn't mean it's the only correct one. I'm not belittling you or anything but it could be that the boys happen to be smarter. You always prioritize the person who would most likely make it, right? Hey, that's one possibility."
Just wow!!! (tumbleweeds roll by as not one of you mention the sexism in those lines) Wow!!
Actually the past rate for that particular subject was appalling. And it caused a massive issue for the school governing body because of the rampant sexism. But hell you probably think that is just sexism directed a males now, huh.
Feminism has never been about feminization of males, because that is just downright criminal.
And how the hell is feminism to blame for male sexism regarding men raping other men in prison. That is so darn stupid it beggars belief.
"I for one am not denying anything. Of course oppression based on gender happens. I just disagree that it happens worst on women that it is on men.
While women face oppression, mostly feelings-based, men has far more problems than some highschool drama. To name a few:
- bias family court system
- divorce and child support heavily favoring women
- male disposability: yes, this is a real thing. Murder victims are mostly men and by a huge margin. And as I explained in my previous post, rape victims are also mostly men if you count prison rape.
- men commit suicide more often
- prostate cancer hardly gets attention. At least compared to breast cancer.
- no male spaces
- no male-only company. I mean in my place, I've already seen at least two companies that is exclusively all-female. I doubt a male-only company would even exist without feminists trying to bring it down.
- 0% tolerance of boys' natural behavior in academia"
So JE, oppression against women is only 'feelings based'. And that men have been oppressed by women and society more?
Who commits the murders? Statistically, who commits most murders? Its not women is it.
Men rape other men in prison. Enough said regarding this. What an appallingly crass example you chose.
We have no number of how many women have committed suicide or have been murdered in many countries, because as a women in those countries she is not deemed important for it to be recorded. So statistics are not accurate.
Prostate cancers gets a hell of a lot of attention. The health service does not discriminate against men.
Males spaces ???? WTH?
What female only companies?? WTH are you talking about. Prove to me by showing proof i.e. company sanctioned policy that these companies can only employ women? And that this is legal in society. And don't try the sly, oh well this is a women's refuge in Afghanistan to protect women whose husbands and families want them dead. Prove it JE, otherwise you are lying.
And what boys natural behavior has zero tolerance? Prove it.
Ack I am wasting my breath. Lexxan told me not to feed the troll.
I have wasted too much time on this forum as it is.
However, it has opened my eyes yet again. Gee thanks guys.
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Meroe is definetely out, sweet
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meroe
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Basically Smurfette
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posted July 19, 2014 08:59 PM |
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artu said:
It must be quite maddening for meroe to be constantly accused of getting emotional when most she does is give out routine examples. It's especially ironic, in a thread on feminism and when people claim, discriminative models are not around them!.
Thank you so much Artu for saying this.
And thank you Ad for being such a friend.
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Meroe is definetely out, sweet
as she sounds sometimes, she'd
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your genitals to you in a
blink of an eye - Kipshasz
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mvassilev
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posted July 19, 2014 09:03 PM |
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JeremiahEmo said:
- 0% tolerance of boys' natural behaviour in academia
If anything is sexist, the idea that trying to get children to behave well is a "War on Boys" is sexist. Imagine if someone said that trying to get people to not murder was a "War on Blacks" - people would be up in arms about it, and rightly so.
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fred79
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posted July 19, 2014 09:06 PM |
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Edited by fred79 at 21:08, 19 Jul 2014.
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artu, i am going to go back to ignoring you. you seemARE deliberately intent on upsetting me. especially considering the hostile nature at which my peaceful post was deliberately attacked(the one by jj that you quoted) by someone who has had issues with me in the past. you have displayed yet another personal attack.
i haven't responded to ANYTHING you've said on the subject, up until now. i have been IGNORING you, remember? as per our agreement?
as i said, i'm going to go back to that, you do the same. you don't seem to be able to communicate with me, without being deliberately aggravating.
@ meroe: ok.
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Corribus
Hero of Order
The Abyss Staring Back at You
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posted July 20, 2014 02:39 AM |
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meroe said:
But first off I need to say this. Had JE claimed that instead of women not being oppressed, but that racial minorities were not oppressed and that black people had over exaggerated the slave trade. Corribus and other moderators would have been on him with the CoC like a ton of bricks.
No I wouldn't have. Denying discrimination exists isn't the same as expressing a racist viewpoint.
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I'm sick of following my dreams. I'm just going to ask them where they're goin', and hook up with them later. -Mitch Hedberg
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JollyJoker
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posted July 20, 2014 09:52 AM |
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Denial may not be racist - but isn't it deliberately provocative?
True, ignorance is no crime, but wearing ignorance like an armour is certainly provoking to cut the thing into pieces, idn't it?
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artu
Promising
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My BS sensor is tingling again
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posted July 20, 2014 10:33 AM |
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Edited by artu at 10:43, 20 Jul 2014.
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I think it depends on how deliberate the denial is. Sometimes, it's just a subconscious defense mechanism or ignorance caused by genuine lack of insight.
If someone had said "look, I'm no racist but maybe Asian people are smarter after all" it would have caused much more reaction than "I'm not belittling you or anything but it could be that the boys happen to be smarter." Now, that probably would have got banned. This being said, I don't think it should get banned, because, it is a perfect example of how people who are in denial of things are usually the ones buried most deeply in it. It is better to exhibit the way they discredit their own claim. What's a better way to display sexism is still a fact than actually showing people someone who says "I'm not a sexist but boys are smarter."
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