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EnergyZ
Legendary Hero
President of MM Wiki
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posted September 01, 2015 07:27 PM |
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Wellplay said:
@EnergyZ
Such sudden change of heart towards something new in the series.
Oh, I am certain many would like new features, but it is the way they are being added. Like this hero creation, nobody says it will be just the way we imagine, just like the town conversion from H6. Good idea, but badly handled.
So no, any prejudice that it is "new" does not mean it is entirely disliked because we may be "conservative" (or whatever that fake article describes the Heroes fans).
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted September 01, 2015 07:41 PM |
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I could only watch roughly the first hour and a half of the stream. As mentioned above, the atmosphere was great, the devs were quick to throw answers both the couple streaming live and in-chat. A clear improvement over past editions.
Not that every answer was satisfactory, some were the typical PR BS (like the Magic System, that can't be helped unless Ubi devs give up on being so exceedingly strict sticking to Ashan lore), and there were a few which felt depressing (I mean, being against H5 initiative because it was hard to balance in H5. Really?), but overall the number of questions adressed was great 
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Avonu
Responsible
Supreme Hero
Embracing light and darkness
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posted September 01, 2015 07:42 PM |
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Wellplay said:
@Avonu
Fair enough, but his class still stayed the same.
In HoMM7 class = your hero skills choice, so you can't even have that. 
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LizardWarrior
Honorable
Legendary Hero
the reckoning is at hand
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posted September 01, 2015 07:46 PM |
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Storm-Giant said:
I could only watch roughly the first hour and a half of the stream. As mentioned above, the atmosphere was great, the devs were quick to throw answers both the couple streaming live and in-chat. A clear improvement over past editions.
Not that every answer was satisfactory, some were the typical PR BS (like the Magic System, that can't be helped unless Ubi devs give up on being so exceedingly strict sticking to Ashan lore), and there were a few which felt depressing (I mean, being against H5 initiative because it was hard to balance in H5. Really?), but overall the number of questions adressed was great
I'm pretty sorry for Limbic, being caught in this "Ubisoft vs Fans" feud.
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Wellplay
Famous Hero
Poland Stronk
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posted September 01, 2015 07:51 PM |
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Edited by Wellplay at 19:54, 01 Sep 2015.
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LizardWarrior said:
Storm-Giant said:
I could only watch roughly the first hour and a half of the stream. As mentioned above, the atmosphere was great, the devs were quick to throw answers both the couple streaming live and in-chat. A clear improvement over past editions.
Not that every answer was satisfactory, some were the typical PR BS (like the Magic System, that can't be helped unless Ubi devs give up on being so exceedingly strict sticking to Ashan lore), and there were a few which felt depressing (I mean, being against H5 initiative because it was hard to balance in H5. Really?), but overall the number of questions adressed was great
I'm pretty sorry for Limbic, being caught in this "Ubisoft vs Fans" feud.
If Ubisoft would be more open minded than H7 would be even better. Also watching Limbic stream gave me good vibes towards H7 future. 
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LizardWarrior
Honorable
Legendary Hero
the reckoning is at hand
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posted September 01, 2015 07:53 PM |
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If Ubisoft would be more open minded than H7 would be even better.
Agree. We can see from the past games that Ubisoft has a tendency to screw devs
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted September 01, 2015 07:56 PM |
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Ok I’m getting freaking tired of this "this community rejects anything which is new to the series" wannabe of an argument. That is simply not true. This community embraced a game which brought us hero perks, town racials and initiative system ffs! OK we had to wait for TotE, but the core design philosophy was there, because Nival cared and wanted to do a game in line with its predecessors (not counting h4), despite the failed universe revamp and the rip-off from other games visuals delivered by Ubi.
Don’t you people even read the excellent posts made for instance by TD, Maurice and others, even by the moderators of the board? No one is raging for the sake raging, there are reasons behind, and these reasons are IMO solid because they relate to the previous games and a feel we like to have for a game we’ve been playing for +15 years. It IS possible to bring innovative features, as long as you don’t break the core, just as much as it IS possible to bring all new factions, as long as we can feel the spirit behind them, the dismissed work by original developers from NWC for HV is alive proof for the latter (is it needed to recall the creatures choice for elven town?). It is too easy just to say "times have changed" or blame the game industry, which is to me just a way of, sorry to put it this straight, but defending your salary. If I was in the Team I would be ashamed, because what I see is that they are working on changing the whole formula! Worse I even suspect is an attempt to defend the whole h6 ideology and what is that if not completely egomaniac?! No, IMO when you work on a masterpiece, you need to respect at least basic guidelines such as randomness in the skill system, optimization of distribution of magic schools and spells to make it workable, specials and abilities are then even a bonus at this point. Otherwise, you are I think making another game, not necessarily a bad game, but another one, which has similarities with HoMM, sure. And that is what is infuriating me, if you want so much to go away from the loved and acclaimed formula, just do your own game and don’t you dare put the Heroes name on the damn box!
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ChrisD1
Supreme Hero
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posted September 01, 2015 08:11 PM |
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Pretty sure everyone was enthousiastic of heroes 5 new features at first like they are now... Hahahah. Not fooling anyone bruh.
Heroes 6 scarred all of us a lot i admit. But some just never got over that and are scared sh*tless when something resembles heroes 6 even just a little. That s the real issue here.
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EnergyZ
Legendary Hero
President of MM Wiki
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posted September 01, 2015 08:12 PM |
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Remember that "declaration" I wrote some months ago?
Apparently some people still consider it Heroes, no matter what. I still can't blame people for that, though.
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cleglaw
Famous Hero
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posted September 01, 2015 08:12 PM |
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Edited by cleglaw at 20:52, 01 Sep 2015.
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i pretty much agree with Wellplay and ChrisD1 here, and complete disagree with you Galaad. TD didnt made solid responds when he was argueing with me. all i heard is "h7 is h6 because i say so". now i get the fear of "formula gonna fall apart" thing to a degree, but after all that is revealed of h7, i find it overdramatic... and the "old fan" card is not a solid card to play, i am an old fan too.
Galaad said:
Ok I’m getting freaking tired of this "this community rejects anything which is new to the series" wannabe of an argument. That is simply not true. This community embraced a game which brought us hero perks, town racials and initiative system ffs! OK we had to wait for TotE, but the core design philosophy was there, because Nival cared and wanted to do a game in line with its predecessors (not counting h4), despite the failed universe revamp and the rip-off from other games visuals delivered by Ubi.
first, h5 cut many fans from franchise just like h6 did.
second, this fanbase is never known by its "embracing" attitude. even in times of h3, people rejected many new things presented. result? r.i.p. 3d0
that nival is the same dev which rejected 3d0's early h5 works and instead made that anime-ish graphics. everytime you mention them, you talk about them like successful good true-to-past-games type guys, but in fact, they did changed things.. let alone putting 3d0's work to thrash is a proof of that.
Galaad said:
...as long as we can feel the spirit
you mean seeing same thing again and again because it should be "familiar"... although how much "familiar" is an obscure question.
Galaad said:
...changing the whole formula!
especially when its about what is core and what is not. to me, as long as you travel with a hero upon an adventure map, as long as there are towns to develope, as long as there are things to visit and capture through journey and as long as you grow powerful every moment pass, it is heroes. you are restricting series too much by inventing rules. normally thats not a problem, because the idea behind is, to use proven elements from past, but when you end up yelling at everything changing, you got to know you should take a step back and look at what your doing.
now that doesnt mean devs should do whatever they want like what they done with h6, im just saying relax a bit and have some space for a little bit experiment. there are tons of things in h7 that can be considered traditional and being still "heroes".
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frostymuaddib
Promising
Supreme Hero
育碧是白痴
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posted September 01, 2015 08:24 PM |
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Everything should've been clear when they changed name from Heroes of Might and Magic to Might and Magic: Heroes. It is a new game. HoMM ended with TotE.
@Galaad My thoughts exactly.
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ChrisD1
Supreme Hero
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posted September 01, 2015 08:34 PM |
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Final fantasy. And every other old game in this god damn universe. Calm your tits already y'all!
And dont make cleg a pariah. He did provide good reasoning against td like i did. Dont make him the "undecided guy" just because. It s not high school, and no one is a mean girl here.
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted September 01, 2015 08:35 PM |
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LizardWarrior said:
Cleglaw, I honestly don't understand you mate, most of us were on one side of barricade or have switched once, but you first like h7, then hate h7, then like h7 again, then you suddenly you are Sandro revolutionary, then you like H7 again. Please dude, decide already 
no worries he will probably be turning the air blue with criticism of the game in a couple of days... before praising it to the skies again the following week lol
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LizardWarrior
Honorable
Legendary Hero
the reckoning is at hand
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posted September 01, 2015 08:37 PM |
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ChrisD1 said:
And dont make cleg a pariah. He did provide good reasoning against td like i did. Dont make him the "undecided guy" just because. It s not high school, and no one is a mean girl here.
I'm not making him a pariah I'm just confused. He's a good fellow and it's nice to have him around, just that it's a bit contradicting
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ChrisD1
Supreme Hero
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posted September 01, 2015 08:45 PM |
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Like what verikker is doing right now. So high school.. Not cool,dudes. And a person can have a change of heart. I had about this game too. I m done for tonight. Too much HC. I hope everyone enjoys the game because i think eaxh and every one of its condemners(if that s a word ) will buy it or conveniently find a copy,because he wouldn 't buy it otherwise -.-
xoxo gurls :*
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frostymuaddib
Promising
Supreme Hero
育碧是白痴
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posted September 01, 2015 08:47 PM |
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I didn't understand anything...
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted September 01, 2015 08:59 PM |
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ChrisD1 said:
Like what verikker is doing right now. So high school.. Not cool,dudes. And a person can have a change of heart. I had about this game too. I m done for tonight. Too much HC. I hope everyone enjoys the game because i think eaxh and every one of its condemners(if that s a word ) will buy it or conveniently find a copy,because he wouldn 't buy it otherwise -.-
xoxo gurls :*
you often take things super seriously mate, the cleglaw user has a history of jumping from one extreme of "awesome this game's going to rock" to the other of "this sucks I've canceled my preorder" at the turn of a dime, my post is not supposed to be an insult just a bit of friendly ribbing lol
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EnergyZ
Legendary Hero
President of MM Wiki
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posted September 01, 2015 09:11 PM |
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cleglaw said:
second, this fanbase is never known by its "embracing" attitude. even in times of h3, people rejected many new things presented. result? r.i.p. 3d0
Good riddance.
As for embracing, it is hard to say. Some don't like H5 because it reminds them of Warcraft too much. I also think it looks like it, but that may be too dismissive, since the gameplay mechanics are quite well.
I could agree with the dismissive part, considering there are some ideas that didn't go so well (even if they had potential). Forge faction was scrapped as well, ut don't forget that NWC did that because of fans' feedback. We tell so many things what can be improved and Ubi (or MM team) does not care one bit and just goes on. Now, the vampire and lich re-design worked, but comparing that to an entire faction, it looks a bit less important.
Indeed, fans come and go, times change, but for the sake of the profits (and to appeal more fans), Ubi and the MM team should be more considerate than we are. For you won't have a good time if you want to sell something and are stubborn about how your product is like. You can target new audience, but is it that worth to throw away the old fans, building a franchise about 20 years (30, counting MM games)?
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Avonu
Responsible
Supreme Hero
Embracing light and darkness
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posted September 01, 2015 09:25 PM |
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cleglaw said:
second, this fanbase is never known by its "embracing" attitude. even in times of h3, people rejected many new things presented. result? r.i.p. 3d0
Geez... you even don't know what 3DO was, not to mention why it went down (hint: search the Web about 3DO console). And for your info - NWC's Heroes 4 sold well but cannot save 3DO alone.
EnergyZ said:
I could agree with the dismissive part, considering there are some ideas that didn't go so well (even if they had potential). Forge faction was scrapped as well, ut don't forget that NWC did that because of fans' feedback.
It wasn't NWC, it was 3DO who scrapped Forge.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted September 01, 2015 09:28 PM |
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Edited by Galaad at 21:38, 01 Sep 2015.
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first, h5 cut many fans from franchise just like h6 did.
H5 did cut a fair amount of fans that's true but not as close to the amount made by h6. Because of h6, h3 and h5 folks allied, we could see that in SC pretty significantly, because of a common ground lying in mechanics and replayability.
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that nival is the same dev which rejected 3d0's NWC early h5 works
Pretty sure it was Ubisoft decision. Also I don't know if you've seen early work for h6 by Nival but it didn't look at all like what BH has been asked to do. I guess you also know Nival ended contract with Ubi because of some "disagreements" right?
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you mean seeing same thing again and again
No.
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you are restricting series too much by inventing rules
Like randomness?
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even in times of h3, people rejected many new things presented. result? r.i.p. 3d0
Indeed good riddance, no one ever praised that publisher who had a reputation similar to Ubi's, and them going bankrupted was mostly tied to things unrelated to the franchise, such as the failure of their console on the market. Also, people rejected Forge, and that's about it (to my sorrow btw).
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