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alcibiades
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
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posted September 14, 2015 11:18 AM |
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kiryu133 said:
I think ubisoft is the problem. I don't mind the setting or the stories (H6 stories were at least interesting at the core) but ubisoft just doesn't get this type of game. Ubisoft is good at milking big-budget casual mainstream console games that no-one really wants but gets caught in the hype anyway. Heroes is kinda the opposite of that: A niche pc-franchise not fit for bombastic maketing or mainstream appeal. I don't think ubi even knows what "niche" means and they most certainly will market it to everyone they can while staying in budget. They Should be doing a dark souls by marketing very selectively and keeping the budget low through good focus. Things Ubi simply don't understand the concepts off.
Still - and correct me if I'm wrong - but isn't it relevant to separate Ubisoft *the coorporation* from the Ubisoft-employed *team* that's working with Heroes? I mean obviously Ubisoft *the coorporation* is responsible for funding etc., but it's *the team* that is responsible for how these resources are deployed as well as the overall design philosophy of the game. As I see it, the problem is with *the team* more than with *the coorporation* - sure, one can always debate whether sufficient funds were given to the development, but it seems that most of the fundamental problems with H7 lie within the overall design philosophy (skill system, magic schools, creature tiers, hero classes, etc.) rather than with lack of funds.
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Stevie
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Undefeatable Hero
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posted September 14, 2015 11:23 AM |
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Edited by Stevie at 11:28, 14 Sep 2015.
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That is correct. Ubisoft gives the money and asks for targets, the Might & Magic department makes use of it at its own discretion. Chief responsibility lies with the M&M team, not with Ubisoft company as a whole.
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Guide to a Great Heroes Game
The Young Traveler
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ChrisD1
Supreme Hero
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posted September 14, 2015 11:37 AM |
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Edited by ChrisD1 at 11:39, 14 Sep 2015.
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The most shocking news i've ever read here!!! I bet this hasn't been discussed before... Like never... Ubi is not a saint??? Ubo calls the shots??? No way!!
It's getting kind of ridiculous, willing to buy the game and play it and then continually "criticizing" (i'm sugar-coarting here), creating walls of text why this game sucks...
You can dislike some aspects of the game,but generally like it.
But disliking every little thing, and then buying the game? That's absurd!
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted September 14, 2015 11:56 AM |
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted September 14, 2015 12:06 PM |
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TD said:
Only thing these games seem to have over old ones is graphics
I disagree, I personally favor much more the atmosphere from NWC games.
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted September 14, 2015 12:15 PM |
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Stevie said:
That is correct. Ubisoft gives the money and asks for targets, the Might & Magic department makes use of it at its own discretion. Chief responsibility lies with the M&M team, not with Ubisoft company as a whole.
otherwise formally known as Team Erwin lol
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dark-whisperer
Famous Hero
Darkness feels no mercy
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posted September 14, 2015 12:44 PM |
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Herry said:
To be honest, this is what I think the new team did to HoMM in a nutshell:
-Strengthen the parts nobody cares about
-Ignore the aspects that made HoMM shine.
It's a recipe of outright doom(to the franchise), if you ask me.
Completly untrue.
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted September 14, 2015 12:52 PM |
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dark-whisperer said:
Completly untrue.
it is as completely untrue or completely true as anything else that's subjective and open to opinion, personally I completely agree with him lol
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EnergyZ
Legendary Hero
President of MM Wiki
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posted September 14, 2015 01:17 PM |
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One should at least agree Ubi and this MM team has to change their tactics if they want a better game, or more profits, even. This excludes claims "we'll take the best out of all Heroes".
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kiryu133
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Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted September 14, 2015 02:11 PM |
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alcibiades said:
Still - and correct me if I'm wrong - but isn't it relevant to separate Ubisoft *the coorporation* from the Ubisoft-employed *team* that's working with Heroes? I mean obviously Ubisoft *the coorporation* is responsible for funding etc., but it's *the team* that is responsible for how these resources are deployed as well as the overall design philosophy of the game. As I see it, the problem is with *the team* more than with *the coorporation* - sure, one can always debate whether sufficient funds were given to the development, but it seems that most of the fundamental problems with H7 lie within the overall design philosophy (skill system, magic schools, creature tiers, hero classes, etc.) rather than with lack of funds.
But it's still ubi and their general philosophies and directions will still apply. Hell, we've seen it already: over-reliance on graphical fidelity, blaming Piracy without realizing U-play is the biggest creator of said piracy, Too much focus on story and narrative in both trailers and presentation etc.
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EnergyZ
Legendary Hero
President of MM Wiki
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posted September 14, 2015 02:12 PM |
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kiryu133 said:
blaming Piracy without realizing U-play is the biggest creator of said piracy,
Please explain this, don't understand that part well.
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ChrisD1
Supreme Hero
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posted September 14, 2015 02:13 PM |
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Stevie said:
There's really no need for drama.
It's called logic. Either you remotely like the game and enjoy it, or you don't like it at all and you don't buy it. How does that has to do with drama?
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Articun
Supreme Hero
As i dream, so shall it be!
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posted September 14, 2015 02:15 PM |
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ChrisD1 said:
Stevie said:
There's really no need for drama.
It's called logic. Either you remotely like the game and enjoy it, or you don't like it at all and you don't buy it. How does that has to do with drama?
That's a bit extreme...
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted September 14, 2015 02:17 PM |
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Edited by Galaad at 14:17, 14 Sep 2015.
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EnergyZ said:
kiryu133 said:
blaming Piracy without realizing U-play is the biggest creator of said piracy,
Please explain this, don't understand that part well.
As someone who bought h6 but had to get a pirated version in order to have the game launch, I perfectly understand what he's saying.
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted September 14, 2015 02:19 PM |
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EnergyZ said:
Please explain this, don't understand that part well.
U-play is too controlling: It's supposed to prevent piracy but since people would rather pirate than have to deal with U-play (which only punishes legit customers) U-play creates more piracy than it hinders.
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Pawek_13
Supreme Hero
Maths, maths everywhere!
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posted September 14, 2015 02:19 PM |
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EnergyZ said:
kiryu133 said:
blaming Piracy without realizing U-play is the biggest creator of said piracy,
Please explain this, don't understand that part well.
I think that kiryu reffered to the period around 2010, when Ubisoft had implemented their "anti-piracy" policy, when all of their games had to played online constantly. Their decision was heavily criticized and may have caused an increase in piracy.
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted September 14, 2015 02:25 PM |
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Edited by Stevie at 14:26, 14 Sep 2015.
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ChrisD1 said:
Stevie said:
There's really no need for drama.
It's called logic. Either you remotely like the game and enjoy it, or you don't like it at all and you don't buy it. How does that has to do with drama?
I pre-ordered and I remotely enjoyed the Betas. That doesn't mean I can't be critical about the glaring problems, in fact it was highly encouraged as part of the feedback process. You can safely bet that I won't stay silent about whatever bothers me because some people perceive it as hating / nostalgia / H3 fanboysm. I don't give any credit to such unfounded and deeply biased accusations.
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Guide to a Great Heroes Game
The Young Traveler
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Articun
Supreme Hero
As i dream, so shall it be!
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posted September 14, 2015 02:30 PM |
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Stevie said:
ChrisD1 said:
Stevie said:
There's really no need for drama.
It's called logic. Either you remotely like the game and enjoy it, or you don't like it at all and you don't buy it. How does that has to do with drama?
I pre-ordered and I remotely enjoyed the Betas. That doesn't mean I can't be critical about the glaring problems, in fact it was highly encouraged as part of the feedback process. You can safely bet that I won't stay silent about whatever bothers me because some people perceive it as hating / nostalgia / H3 fanboysm. I don't give any credit to such unfounded and deeply biased accusations.
I think that what bothers Chris the most is the attachement some have over if the heroes games are in Ashan or not. There are other parts like random skill etc that i think most of us agree on.
And although i don't mind Ashan all that much, even i want the story to move forward after dark messiah and see changes to the current factions. That way, Ashan "dictatorship" might loosen up a bit.
As for heroes VII, it is now what it is and we can only hope that there will be enough post release support and interaction with the community so that with each expansion it can get better.
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Maurice
Hero of Order
Part of the furniture
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posted September 14, 2015 02:41 PM |
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Stevie said:
I pre-ordered and I remotely enjoyed the Betas. That doesn't mean I can't be critical about the glaring problems, in fact it was highly encouraged as part of the feedback process. You can safely bet that I won't stay silent about whatever bothers me because some people perceive it as hating / nostalgia / H3 fanboysm. I don't give any credit to such unfounded and deeply biased accusations.
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There are more colors than black and white. Heck, wasn't there a movie about that last year or so? 
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TD
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted September 14, 2015 02:45 PM |
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The uplay and conflux were a total nightmare with h6. Every time you started game it needed check updates and syncro saved files which pretty much always failed. Connections to uplay often failed. Connections with conflux constantly failed while you were playing h6 which always ended your game and brought you to main-menu. To play offline meant you couldn't use all features and some saves couldn't be accessed. I still remember how I lost 2 or 3 campaigns because of syncro-problems and their achievements/rewards and such. Only took few weeks to sort things out with support usually. I couldn't get some DLC working because during verification there was some error which caused my key being unused and used at same time. Again few weeks of back and forth with support. Just beautiful system/game...
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