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verriker
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Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted September 14, 2015 07:18 PM |
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Edited by verriker at 19:19, 14 Sep 2015.
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Kayna said:
You assume that another little guy can do better than Limbic. If the amount of money offered is too low, the job will be butched no matter what. If Limbic says no, they will find someone else that will do an equally snowty job. But if Ubisoft stops being so greedy and pour a little more money, then we can see a different, better result.
well it's no assumption because we've literally seen it once before, Limbic ARE the another little guy who did better than Black Hole, I'm sure there's a hundred teams out there who could do better than Limbic in turn, it's not as if they've set the bar very high lol
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted September 14, 2015 07:28 PM |
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I don't want ubi to keep switching devs. I want limbic to pay more attention to what the fans want and prove that they can make an actually good game. Throughout ubi's era, most issues can be attributed to a lack of understanding. Of the series and of its fans' expectations. Or at least what not to do 
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Kayna
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posted September 14, 2015 07:36 PM |
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But every job taken by contract can be converted in $/hour. If you accept Ubi's job offer and do everything they ask of you perfectly, and at the end, when we convert it to $/hour, we end up with 5 $ an hour, can we really blame them for butching a job?
Ubisuck will find someone else to do it if they refuse. The gaming industry isn't regulated like important aspects of our society, like security aspects of building construction. If a rich guy tries to save money when building a security stair case in the back, you have ressources, you can complain about it. But video games? There are no quality standards. As long as what's written on the label is in the game, they're ok.
And yes, I agree, I'd rather see Ubisoft hire the same team and heck, even use the same graphic engine so they could put more effort elsewhere but read up on Ubisoft's way of doing business, folk. Rarely do people get to work more than 3 years at Ubisoft.
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alcibiades
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
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posted September 14, 2015 07:54 PM |
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Kayna said:
alcibiades said:
but it's *the team* that is responsible for how these resources are deployed as well as the overall design philosophy of the game. As I see it, the problem is with *the team* more than with *the coorporation*
Sometimes, the budget is so cheap and low, that the corporation is to blame, not the team. Not to mention the legal aspect of it ; the boss is always at fault, no matter what. It's called taking responsability.
I'm not sure I see a lot of specific cases where I believe money is actually the issue. Apart from the re-used creature models (which is not a big issue for me anyway, but which I am aware has caused a lot of frustration - but when it comes to skill system design, spell system design, hero class design, etc., you could perfectly well have developed a good system for the same money as what the current system cost (hell, when it comes to hero system, one could have saved some money by keeping it simple with two hero classes per faction instead of six classes).
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Steyn
Supreme Hero
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posted September 14, 2015 08:10 PM |
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These last post make it sound like Limbic decided to reuse the H6 creature models. I was under the impression that this was a decision of the Ubi MM team.
It is a shame they didn't give more of the criticized models a makeover, but as Marzhin explained this had something to do with the subcontractor suddenly raising his prizes. If only this information could have been shared with us earlier, when it became clear that they had to reuse these old models.
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Pawek_13
Supreme Hero
Maths, maths everywhere!
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posted September 14, 2015 08:14 PM |
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Elvin said:
I don't want ubi to keep switching devs. I want limbic to pay more attention to what the fans want and prove that they can make an actually good game. Throughout ubi's era, most issues can be attributed to a lack of understanding. Of the series and of its fans' expectations. Or at least what not to do
Yes! I've been saying this for nearly half a year now. What M&M really needs now is stabilisation (and maybe bigger budgets .) Devs will learn with time what fans expect from the game (as seen by Nival's example,) so don't wish for change in devs team. This won't solve any problems and quite possibly create even more of them.
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alcibiades
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
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posted September 14, 2015 08:19 PM |
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Pawek_13 said:
Elvin said:
I don't want ubi to keep switching devs. I want limbic to pay more attention to what the fans want and prove that they can make an actually good game. Throughout ubi's era, most issues can be attributed to a lack of understanding. Of the series and of its fans' expectations. Or at least what not to do
Yes! I've been saying this for nearly half a year now. What M&M really needs now is stabilisation (and maybe bigger budgets .) Devs will learn with time what fans expect from the game (as seen by Nival's example,) so don't wish for change in devs team. This won't solve any problems and quite possibly create even more of them.
Again, we're talking different teams I think. I agree that Limbic will probably be better as the hands-on working guys because they have some experience with the game (and the fans!) by now - but I think the Ubi-team (aka. team Erwin) has to be kicked out, the sooner the better imo.
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TD
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted September 14, 2015 08:57 PM |
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I'm not even too sure Limbic has "learned" their lesson. For example the skill-system was something me among others kept asking even as sketch version pretty much since early days of SC. Before anything was revealed(as they hadn't decided on if it's random or non-random system) there were ton of comments for random and they were top votes, most commented. From here in HC they could've found topics that would've told people want random system like old games and that people liked h5 system as base. Regardless they felt h6 system was the best and only made it look like h5-system. The skill-system decision was one of the biggest things that really made me question if devs understand the series at all to be honest. Even just in general I wish they had done some real research and I think a lot of things could be a lot better in h7. Of course it's possible that in the future expansions or h8 they would have better priorities/focus , but I would need some real signs of that aside just empty words with nothing to back them up. Otherwise I'd absolutely vote for new developer.
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Wellplay
Famous Hero
Poland Stronk
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posted September 14, 2015 10:05 PM |
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Edited by Wellplay at 22:09, 14 Sep 2015.
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TD said:
I'm not even too sure Limbic has "learned" their lesson. For example the skill-system was something me among others kept asking even as sketch version pretty much since early days of SC. Before anything was revealed(as they hadn't decided on if it's random or non-random system) there were ton of comments for random and they were top votes, most commented. From here in HC they could've found topics that would've told people want random system like old games and that people liked h5 system as base. Regardless they felt h6 system was the best and only made it look like h5-system. The skill-system decision was one of the biggest things that really made me question if devs understand the series at all to be honest. Even just in general I wish they had done some real research and I think a lot of things could be a lot better in h7. Of course it's possible that in the future expansions or h8 they would have better priorities/focus , but I would need some real signs of that aside just empty words with nothing to back them up. Otherwise I'd absolutely vote for new developer.
Yes let's cross out another developer cause they did not listen to our demands enough...Bloody Hell! Game not even out yet not even got its share of expansions and you demand another developer?!
This will not lead to anything good, only to more ******** from this community about next "Failed Game".
This is bloody idiotic...
Edit: Bunch of pitiful people
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted September 14, 2015 10:06 PM |
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I'd like to keep one developer for more than one game, please
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Gryphs
Supreme Hero
The Clever Title
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posted September 14, 2015 10:09 PM |
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I agree switching developers constantly will not do the franchise any good.
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LizardWarrior
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Legendary Hero
the reckoning is at hand
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posted September 14, 2015 10:11 PM |
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Ubi has a tendency to kill its devs 
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted September 14, 2015 10:13 PM |
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Wellplay said:
Yes let's cross out another developer cause they did not listen to our demands enough...Bloody Hell! Game not even out yet not even got its share of expansions and you demand another developer?!
This will not lead to anything good, only to more ******** from this community about next "Failed Game".
It's not like it can get any worse
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Wellplay
Famous Hero
Poland Stronk
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posted September 14, 2015 10:15 PM |
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Edited by Wellplay at 22:16, 14 Sep 2015.
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LizardWarrior said:
Ubi has a tendency to kill its devs
As do players.
@Avirosb
And it won't get any better with this idiotic train of thoughts.
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Gryphs
Supreme Hero
The Clever Title
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posted September 14, 2015 10:20 PM |
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Edited by Gryphs at 22:21, 14 Sep 2015.
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Wellplay said:
As do players.
When was this and no the forge incident did not kill NWC 3DO's snowy business practices did.
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LizardWarrior
Honorable
Legendary Hero
the reckoning is at hand
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posted September 14, 2015 10:22 PM |
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As do players.
Players will kill the devs if they don't buy their games. And usually players won't buy buggy or broken games, so it's actually more like suicide than murder.
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted September 14, 2015 10:27 PM |
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Wellplay said:
And it won't get any better with this idiotic train of thoughts.
I think whether it's idiotic or not remains to be seen, Limbic still hasn't proven yet that they understand the series and can make a great Heroes game, they might, but I don't think their design choices lean in their favor lol
if a competent developer can't be found and the budget can't be increased, it would be much better to rest the series for now than keep pummeling its reputation into the ground with crapware lol
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted September 14, 2015 10:32 PM |
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Wellplay said:
And it won't get any better with this idiotic train of thoughts.
Nothing would be better.
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Wellplay
Famous Hero
Poland Stronk
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posted September 14, 2015 11:31 PM |
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Edited by Wellplay at 23:54, 14 Sep 2015.
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Avirosb said:
Wellplay said:
And it won't get any better with this idiotic train of thoughts.
Nothing would be better.
Than go ahead and wait for your 2nd coming of H3 with 10 other developers. 
Meanwhile I shall enjoy H7 and have fun with it while knowing it gona get even better with expansions.
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alcibiades
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
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posted September 14, 2015 11:58 PM |
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Wellplay said:
And it won't get any better with this idiotic train of thoughts.
I don't really see what your agenda is here. First of all, please don't pull the H3-card once again, most players here don't really want another H3, so that statement is getting a bit old by now. Secondly, I actually think much of what is being said here is warranted, fan community was quite clear about what they disliked about H6, and when they then repeat many of the same mistakes in H7, someone needs to be told that this can only be seen as disregard for our interests (whether the decision was made by Ubi-team or Limbic-team remains unanswered for me). And yes, there are actually examples of fan criticism resulting in something constructive, I think many of the changes done to H5 from Vanilla to TotE was based on fan feedback.
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