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3lion
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posted October 13, 2015 06:36 PM |
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Sempai said:
That was around the whole moralists_crew.
That was around all Erwan Appreciation party members as well.
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farfromrefuge
Adventuring Hero
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posted October 13, 2015 06:37 PM |
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3lion said:
Not as truth, but apparently it's my subjective vision. And everything I did is just pointed at that from someones perspective your actions doesn't look like something acceptable. It is up to you to decide whether you react somehow on this remark, or ignore it. Simple.
Well, I thank you for pointing that out, but you might try to see things from my point of view too. My favourite game series (snow, my first game series, I've been playing HoMM since before I even went to school!) is being dragged through mud for the last seven years and the person resposible is staying smug and confident in his "vision"? Like hell I am going to let this slide!
Erwan made this personal when he announced that Ashan was "his baby", simply refusing to accept the fact that Ashan was created by Fabrice Cambounet and fleshed out by Nival and both of those parties had better understanding of what Heroes game was that Erwan will ever have.
I realise we've gotten offensive at the end there. Believe me, that was exactly the point, because otherwise they would not listen at all. As evident by their reaction, we were at the very least heard. I hope that will execute the changes necessary and HoMM will be good once again. If not - I will simply abandon the series and keep playing the old games.
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Sempai
Known Hero
Ubi is love
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posted October 13, 2015 06:39 PM |
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3lion said:
Sempai said:
That was around the whole moralists_crew.
That was around all Erwan Appreciation party members as well.
I can't hear what exactly. You are trying to describe somehow we did something bad there but obviously unable to give a straight reference. Useless talk. Anyway we are living in different realities to my mind.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted October 13, 2015 06:39 PM |
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farfromrefuge said:
If not - I will simply abandon the series and keep playing the old games.
As IMHO and I could be wrong but doubt I am, majority of homm fan base.
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Sempai
Known Hero
Ubi is love
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posted October 13, 2015 06:41 PM |
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Galaad said:
farfromrefuge said:
If not - I will simply abandon the series and keep playing the old games.
As IMHO and I could be wrong but doubt I am, majority of homm fan base.
Well...do we even have a choice? lol What is the alternative?
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SepSpring
Known Hero
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posted October 13, 2015 06:49 PM |
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I did, but I didn't get why did you apply the rules of your(?) country to the dude which said it is ok in his (even though you said like "sorry for disturbing if you aren't from RF" lol.
farfromrefuge has already mentioned on this forum he's Russian. I just wasn't sure whether he lives in RF or not.
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3lion
Known Hero
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posted October 13, 2015 06:52 PM |
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Edited by 3lion at 19:03, 13 Oct 2015.
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farfromrefuge said:
Believe me, that was exactly the point, because otherwise they would not listen at all.
Well at the end all what you achieved is a faeces and vomit all over the comment section and a bunch of offended 'moralists'.
You'd better sue them (Ubi) with class suit for improper product quality. I'll gladly join one. With press and all. And we even might create an independent organization who will monitor and rate the technical quality of video games like ESRB or something. Like "This game is rated A+, and recommended for purchase if you like, because it's free from bugs or any technical issues" or "This Game is rated C- for unacceptable release condition and not recommended for purchase until all bugs will be fixed". Not just a simple review from video game magazine, but a global and standardized technical quality rating.
That's how they will listen to you for sure. Instead you prefer to relieve yourself into comments.
Feel the difference.
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farfromrefuge
Adventuring Hero
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posted October 13, 2015 06:52 PM |
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SepSpring said:
farfromrefuge has already mentioned on this forum he's Russian. I just wasn't sure whether he lives in RF or not.
To clear things out - am Russian. Don't live in RF, though.
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SepSpring
Known Hero
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posted October 13, 2015 06:56 PM |
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To clear things out - am Russian. Don't live in RF, though.
My excuses then.
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farfromrefuge
Adventuring Hero
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posted October 13, 2015 07:04 PM |
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3lion said:
Well at the end all what you achieved is a faeces and vomit all over the comment section and a bunch of offended 'moralists'.
You'd better sue them with class suit for improper product quality. I'll gladly join one. With press and all. And we even might create an independent organization who will monitor ant rate the technical quality of video games like ESRB or something. Like "This game is rated A+, and recommended for purchase if you like, because it's free from bugs or any technical issues" or "This Game is rated C- for unacceptable release condition and not recommended for purchase until all bugs will be fixed" .
That's how they will listen to you for sure. Instead you prefer to relieve yourself into comments.
Feel the difference.
Well, that might work with some other developer in some other country. Problem is, Ubisoft is known for its buggy releases, right? Unity was in even worse condition upon release and they let it slide. Even if we lawyer up, we do not have any way of beating Ubisoft, who will simply prolong the lawsuit until our pockets are empty.
Also, about creating the ESRB-analogue. You should learn the history of this organization and the way it was created. ESRB was created not to protect the adults, but kids and it was much easier to push for its creation because kids in almost every culture in the world are sacred. Creating a widely accepted organization that has a law protected right to grade the quality of a product AND to oblige game companies to place this grade on the box... This will need government support and even more lawyering firepower. And ain't noone outside is going to support this, since we are not kids, we are adults who are fully responsible for our actions. ESRB had Child Rights Activists, we have noone.
Also, fighting for objective quality in videogames without outside support was exactly what GamerGate did. You might want to check out what happened to them.
Finally, the problem is not Ubi in its entirety. Ubi has made good games before and will make good games in the future. Child of Light, for example, was amazing. Problem is that current series management is not up to the task and is having the delusions of grandeur. Since Ubi ignores all calls for replacing him, they might need events like this to understand the full effect Erwan has had on the series, to understand that he has disappointed almost all fans of any previous installments. Ubi needed a reality check and I hope we delivered it. Hell, if Erwan does not get his bonus this month and realises that he might need to start actually working for it - it was not for naught.
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted October 13, 2015 07:05 PM |
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3lion said:
You'd better sue them with class suit for improper product quality. I'll gladly join one. With press and all. And we even might create an independent organization who will monitor and rate the technical quality of video games like ESRB or something. Like "This game is rated A+, and recommended for purchase if you like, because it's free from bugs or any technical issues" or "This Game is rated C- for unacceptable release condition and not recommended for purchase until all bugs will be fixed" .
That's how they will listen to you for sure.
my friend, once again, I'd like to welcome you to the wild, wild west of the video games industry,
out here, there are a million cowboys and nary an independent watchdog or reviewer taken seriously in sight, if you as the consumer aren't prepared to vituperatively stand up for yourself with all you've got you can be 100% sure you'll be taken for a ride lol
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Sempai
Known Hero
Ubi is love
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posted October 13, 2015 07:08 PM |
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3lion said:
farfromrefuge said:
Believe me, that was exactly the point, because otherwise they would not listen at all.
Well at the end all what you achieved is a faeces and vomit all over the comment section and a bunch of offended 'moralists'.
You'd better sue them
What's the point to sue in a pre-defined losing case? There's no way to sue a publisher for a bad game. Don't forget that most of us are dudes with their businesses and jobs so it's not that easy to arrange own time and pay a lawyer ~30k euro for the whole case and try to get some action.
On the other hand there's just few hours of free time fun. We weren't trying to change the things at all. Just making fun. Doesn't mean immaturity and stuff like that. What the point of your logic when "mature" guys should be serious as snow and avoid casual laughing? lol...
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farfromrefuge
Adventuring Hero
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posted October 13, 2015 07:09 PM |
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SepSpring said:
My excuses then.
It's fine, you delivered some good reading material for me. I didn't know that 152-FZ applied to photos, yet I wonder to what extent it does. I mean, if we use a portion of producer's interview in a negative review, are we breaking the law? If we are using a picture of a person, next to the quote he said, in a negative review, are we breaking a law? Are we allowed to draw caricatures on famous people? Or does it only apply to making memes?
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3lion
Known Hero
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posted October 13, 2015 07:27 PM |
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Edited by 3lion at 19:35, 13 Oct 2015.
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farfromrefuge said:
Since Ubi ignores all calls for replacing him, they might need events like this to understand the full effect Erwan has had on the series, to understand that he has disappointed almost all fans of any previous installments.
And you decided to turn it into something personal, because you don't see any other option, as 36% on Steam is not enough. Okay, I got it. Can't argue with it.
Sempai said:
We weren't trying to change the things at all. Just making fun.
You already made it clear to me that your goal is making lulz from scattering your turds all over the place. I got it. No need to repeat it again 
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3lion
Known Hero
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posted October 13, 2015 07:30 PM |
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verriker said:
my friend, once again, I'd like to welcome you to the wild, wild west of the video games industry
Yup... Bookmarked this video. Shouldn't forget. Thanks.
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Sempai
Known Hero
Ubi is love
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posted October 13, 2015 07:39 PM |
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3lion said:
your goal is making lulz from scattering your turds all over the place. I got it. No need to repeat it again
Did I said something like that? C'mon, man, losing a debate doesn't require to go low 
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3lion
Known Hero
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posted October 13, 2015 07:42 PM |
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Sempai said:
losing a debate
Oh, it's a competition?
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PandaTar
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Celestial Heavens Mascot
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posted October 13, 2015 07:48 PM |
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3lion said:
... as 36% on Steam is not enough.
One must not forget that it stretches beyond Heroes situation. Many other complains, problems, unfinished games, problems, problems and then, add that result. If ALL that is not enough, people might as well start trying other ways to communicate things, because keeping it civil and shut staring idly into the infinite won't do. Besides, as it's been proven that Ubisoft sucks in communication skills, sooner or later something is bound to work, because the past proves that some stuff haven't brought the desired result, or they would know better.
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"Okay. Look. We both said a lot of things that you're going to regret. But I think we can put our differences behind us. For science. You monster."
GlaDOS – Portal 2
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Sempai
Known Hero
Ubi is love
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posted October 13, 2015 07:52 PM |
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Edited by Sempai at 19:53, 13 Oct 2015.
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3lion said:
Sempai said:
losing a debate
Oh, it's a competition?
No, just the matter of argumantation lol. But don't bother yourself anymore though.
You've are already gone against your own moral values, twisting my words/mocking your opponent in a way you did in your previous message. The bright picture of what you, guys really worhty with all your talky talks.
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SepSpring
Known Hero
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posted October 13, 2015 07:58 PM |
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I mean, if we use a portion of producer's interview in a negative review, are we breaking the law? If we are using a picture of a person, next to the quote he said, in a negative review, are we breaking a law?
It's absolutely legal for public content, not private.
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Are we allowed to draw caricatures on famous people? Or does it only apply to making memes?
It depends on your "target's" behaviour. It's prohibited officially. But you won't be pursued until this person voices her / his displeasure (like it happened in the BBPE case ).
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This MEGA THREAD is pages long: 
