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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted October 23, 2015 08:38 AM |
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Edited by Avirosb at 08:51, 23 Oct 2015.
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GenyaArikado said:
Who happened to be human (along with minos and troglodytes) which leads me back that to are you going to replace elves with humans who behave the same? lol
Adaptability is one of the few things humans have got going for them, and more than one minotaur hero, maybe even a troglodyte, in the faction would be quite welcome.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted October 23, 2015 08:41 AM |
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Have no doubts, there is always worse  If only you knew the things that could have passed throughout H5 to H7.
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H5 is still alive and kicking, join us in the Duel Map discord server!
Map also hosted on Moddb
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JollyJoker
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
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posted October 23, 2015 09:31 AM |
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It's a wrong perspective. You have 8 Overlord Heroes in H3, 3 Humans, 3 Trogs and 2 Minotaurs, and while it's not that relevant, of the 3 Human heroes Ajit, Synca and Lorelei, you'd immediately dismiss 2 as an unlikely main hero pick, while the 2 Minotaurs are elite picks, with the Trogs being ideal 2nd-in-command.
Of course, ironically, in H7 it would seem that Darkstorm the Minotaur hero, is by far the best, coming without Assassins, but with Trogs, Stalkers and a Mino plus offense, the Mino soaking up damage.
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted October 23, 2015 09:33 AM |
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Elvin said:
Have no doubts, there is always worse If only you knew the things that could have passed throughout H5 to H7.
Details. Give. Us. DETAILS! 
or anyone else, really.
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It is with a heavy heart that I must announce that the cis are at it again.
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Sandro400
Promising
Supreme Hero
Shadow of Death
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posted October 23, 2015 10:17 AM |
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The less you know the better you sleep. ^^
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Gryphs
Supreme Hero
The Clever Title
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posted October 23, 2015 10:42 AM |
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Elvin said:
Have no doubts, there is always worse If only you knew the things that could have passed throughout H5 to H7.
Could it have been better?
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"Don't resist the force. Redirect it. Water over rock."-blizzardboy
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ChrisD1
Supreme Hero
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posted October 23, 2015 10:43 AM |
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Edited by ChrisD1 at 10:46, 23 Oct 2015.
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Avirosb said:
GenyaArikado said:
Who happened to be human (along with minos and troglodytes) which leads me back that to are you going to replace elves with humans who behave the same? lol
Adaptability is one of the few things humans have got going for them, and more than one minotaur hero, maybe even a troglodyte, in the faction would be quite welcome.
God no!!!! Poor dungeon is super messed up as it is!! The least coherent faction ever!! An assassi- troglodyte?? Or a trickster?
Come on... This is ashan now. That minotaur should have never ever made the cut. And this is Marzhin's fault. The dude loves the franchise, and has done a lot,and yay for all of us, but putting the minotaur as a staple creature in the line ups was a serious fault.
It shat all over the lore just because. The strider as much as it is hated, makes a zillion times more sense in any way.
I live for the day the minotaur gets replaced by the faceless by a mod. Even at the cost of a support unit.
The line up as it is now is a joke. But to be fair, gameplay wise,along with the awesome racial is not halfbad fun to play.
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Brukernavn
Hero of Order
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posted October 23, 2015 10:53 AM |
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[ironic_sarcasm]But the fans voted on the Dungeon lineup, so we have no right to complain.[/ironic_sarcasm]
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Pawek_13
Supreme Hero
Maths, maths everywhere!
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posted October 23, 2015 10:56 AM |
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Elvin said:
Have no doubts, there is always worse If only you knew the things that could have passed throughout H5 to H7.
More BDSM costumes?! 
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted October 23, 2015 11:00 AM |
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Quote:
The Sylvan faction appealed to “female mainstream” gamers who “liked unicorns”, while the gritty Dungeon faction was aimed at the hardcore crowd. These hardcore players – the remaining 20% of the HoMM 7 audience – were people who had stayed with the series “for 20 years”, but they were not being taken for granted: “all the stuff on the website”, the polls, the community discussion, etc., was for them.
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Maurice
Hero of Order
Part of the furniture
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posted October 23, 2015 11:01 AM |
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ChrisD1 said:
I live for the day the minotaur gets replaced by the faceless by a mod.
Personal preference. I seriously disliked the Faceless as a unit in H6 and I'm glad he has taken a backseat as War Machine in this version.
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Pawek_13
Supreme Hero
Maths, maths everywhere!
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posted October 23, 2015 11:12 AM |
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Quote:
The Sylvan faction appealed to “female mainstream” gamers who “liked unicorns”, while the gritty Dungeon faction was aimed at the hardcore crowd. These hardcore players – the remaining 20% of the HoMM 7 audience – were people who had stayed with the series “for 20 years”, but they were not being taken for granted: “all the stuff on the website”, the polls, the community discussion, etc., was for them.
@Galaad: Where did you find that?
PS. Because I prefer Sylvan it means that I'm a female mainstream player...?  Each new day seems to tell me something about myself.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted October 23, 2015 12:01 PM |
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Maurice said:
ChrisD1 said:
I live for the day the minotaur gets replaced by the faceless by a mod.
Personal preference. I seriously disliked the Faceless as a unit in H6 and I'm glad he has taken a backseat as War Machine in this version.
Waste of a potentially interesting unit, just like the strider. They could have given it a unique gameplay and they instead gave it strike and return. Some imagination pls 
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted October 23, 2015 12:06 PM |
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Galaad said:
Quote:
The Sylvan faction appealed to “female mainstream” gamers who “liked unicorns”, while the gritty Dungeon faction was aimed at the hardcore crowd. These hardcore players – the remaining 20% of the HoMM 7 audience – were people who had stayed with the series “for 20 years”, but they were not being taken for granted: “all the stuff on the website”, the polls, the community discussion, etc., was for them.
Comments like that show that they haven't just dropped the ball, they don' even know where the ball is. I'm not even sure if I should bother elaborating.
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H5 is still alive and kicking, join us in the Duel Map discord server!
Map also hosted on Moddb
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ChrisD1
Supreme Hero
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posted October 23, 2015 12:26 PM |
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Brukernavn said:
[ironic_sarcasm]But the fans voted on the Dungeon lineup, so we have no right to complain.[/ironic_sarcasm]
It's heroes commmunity..complaining is mandatory.
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted October 23, 2015 12:33 PM |
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Quote:
The Sylvan faction appealed to “female mainstream” gamers who “liked unicorns”, while the gritty Dungeon faction was aimed at the hardcore crowd. These hardcore players – the remaining 20% of the HoMM 7 audience – were people who had stayed with the series “for 20 years”, but they were not being taken for granted: “all the stuff on the website”, the polls, the community discussion, etc., was for them.
This whole thing would've probably have worked better if every factions was aimed at the "female mainstream" audience. I mean, how many of the "20% hardcore" audience actually prefers this Dungeon?
As potentially part of both focus groups, Sylvan definitely worked better on me.
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It is with a heavy heart that I must announce that the cis are at it again.
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ChrisD1
Supreme Hero
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posted October 23, 2015 01:45 PM |
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kiryu133 said:
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As potentially part of both focus groups, Sylvan definitely worked better on me.
Ok a zillion things passed through my mind! You have to elaborate!!
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GenyaArikado
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
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posted October 23, 2015 01:51 PM |
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JollyJoker said:
It's a wrong perspective. You have 8 Overlord Heroes in H3, 3 Humans, 3 Trogs and 2 Minotaurs, and while it's not that relevant, of the 3 Human heroes Ajit, Synca and Lorelei, you'd immediately dismiss 2 as an unlikely main hero pick, while the 2 Minotaurs are elite picks, with the Trogs being ideal 2nd-in-command.
Of course, ironically, in H7 it would seem that Darkstorm the Minotaur hero, is by far the best, coming without Assassins, but with Trogs, Stalkers and a Mino plus offense, the Mino soaking up damage.
No its not, the question is specifically about them lol, not if dungeon had several races lol. The rest of the post about them being used as secondary heroes is irrelevant
Avirosb said:
GenyaArikado said:
Who happened to be human (along with minos and troglodytes) which leads me back that to are you going to replace elves with humans who behave the same? lol
Adaptability is one of the few things humans have got going for them, and more than one minotaur hero, maybe even a troglodyte, in the faction would be quite welcome.
Such a pointless statement. Yes they are adaptable but whats the point of doing an asspull to change them pointy eared humans (aka the elves) with just normal humans who have to act more or less the same? Because doing it for the sake of changing is just an awful idea.
I agree about more mino/medusa/faceless heroes. Trogs can go eat dirt
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ThatRedSarah
Famous Hero
Adventuring Hero
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posted October 23, 2015 02:14 PM |
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Quote:
The Sylvan faction appealed to “female mainstream” gamers who “liked unicorns”, while the gritty Dungeon faction was aimed at the hardcore crowd.
" " = me and Alexine with our love for Dungeon(H3) and Inferno respectively while reading the quote 
Quote:
These hardcore players – the remaining 20% of the HoMM 7 audience – were people who had stayed with the series “for 20 years”, but they were not being taken for granted: “all the stuff on the website”, the polls, the community discussion, etc., was for them.
Im not feeling this one either... All in all i feel that the shadow council as been a failure as a two-way communication channel. The "discussion" has been very one sided. It has just been a place where the devs reveal their work and then disappear again. Leaving the "council members" screaming their concerns to deaf ears 
Elvin said:
Comments like that show that they haven't just dropped the ball, they don' even know where the ball is.
I know where it is... rolling downhill with unreal velocity 
SOME RANTING:
In general im just really unhappy with how H7 turned out... I had my hopes up when i heard they were going back to the roots and all that. But no... Still the same stupid ideas/visions/mechanics are present. I am amazed how they could get it so wrong. This really isnt too hard in my opinion. All the working "pieces of the game" already exist.
Im just not at all interested in H7 anymore. My enthusiasm has been declining with the reveals of the mechanics and faction line-ups. And now the huge bug fest and other problems...
Glad i didnt buy it thou. That would make this even more difficult to deal with. (And before someone says that "you cant judge H7 if you havent even played it", i just say that yes i can I have seen, read and heard plenty. I dont need to buy juice to see if im thirsty)
The worst thing is that with H7 being (in my opinion) i dont have many things to comment on this forum anymore so it will be just some off-topic nonsense for the most of the time...
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JollyJoker
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
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posted October 23, 2015 02:38 PM |
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GenyaArikado said:
JollyJoker said:
It's a wrong perspective. You have 8 Overlord Heroes in H3, 3 Humans, 3 Trogs and 2 Minotaurs, and while it's not that relevant, of the 3 Human heroes Ajit, Synca and Lorelei, you'd immediately dismiss 2 as an unlikely main hero pick, while the 2 Minotaurs are elite picks, with the Trogs being ideal 2nd-in-command.
Of course, ironically, in H7 it would seem that Darkstorm the Minotaur hero, is by far the best, coming without Assassins, but with Trogs, Stalkers and a Mino plus offense, the Mino soaking up damage.
No its not, the question is specifically about them lol, not if dungeon had several races lol. The rest of the post about them being used as secondary heroes is irrelevant
Wtf are you talking about. "Dungeon Overlords" in my post doesn't in any way mean "humans", whatever the hell you are desperately trying to prove disprove or put into my mouth.
So would you really like a 2nd human faction, all of them black? Or Ylath worshippers?
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