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Gryphs
Supreme Hero
The Clever Title
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posted February 23, 2016 12:13 AM |
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Edited by Gryphs at 00:16, 23 Feb 2016.
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We are discussing H7, negative as it might be, it is still a discussion. If you like H7 good but you are acting like it is part of you, and every time it is "insulted" you take offense. If anything, you coming in to complain about whiners is derailing the conversation. No one is insulting you and if something I said has been offensive I am sorry, but you are the one provoking snide and angry remarks here.
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fred79
Disgraceful
Undefeatable Hero
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posted February 23, 2016 12:23 AM |
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Hermes said:
Last I checked, the board is not called ' H7 hate discussion board',
but who cares right? I am just really surprised how much time and effort you people spend on the game you hate.
And here back we go, calling game a piece of turd, etc, etc.
Wow.
Grade 1 people, recess is over.
but i'm still playing! 
were you aware that i haven't even bought a game since homm3? and yet, i can STILL weigh in on the ubisoft toilet games issue. know why? because i work with graphics, and i judge them strictly from the graphics standpoint. i let everyone else handle the actual gameplay naysaying. neat, huh? it's like, this awesome SYNERGY. 
we're like a team that all has a specific job! 
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted February 23, 2016 12:33 AM |
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Hermes said:
But Verriker, you yourself are highly questionable too - a mean, Erwin avatar, never played recent games...May be EA employee, whop knows? 
And I can say the same to you - dont like the game just dont play it and dont post in Heroes 7 discussion board
first of all can't see what's mean about my Erwin avatar, free advertising of Team Erwin and spider messiah, they should be paying me lol
secondly I ponied up £50 for Heroes 6 and played it as long as I could earnestly stomach (which wasn't very long I might add), paid and played MMX Legacy, and played Heroes 7 beta 2, also followed Heroes 7 development three years, watch YouTubes and live streams every time a patch appears,
I would not buy game because that would vote of confidence in Ubilimb and would not pirate it because that's crooked, so what do you mean by never played recent games, I think that all makes sense and definitely have credentials to comment on the game, do you think otherwise lol
thirdly don't like the game do post in Heroes 7 discussion board obviously lol, how can you expect to bring about the kind of game you prefer to play if you don't give criticism and lobby for it lol, in this case a huge amount of criticism is warranted,
but players who are completely satisfied and uncritical of the game are of course more than welcome too IMO, unless they have nothing to do but rage at people with terms like "OCD" and "haters" which is intellectually useless lol
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dark-whisperer
Famous Hero
Darkness feels no mercy
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posted February 23, 2016 12:38 AM |
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*checks thread for any interesting development*
*resumes playing Heroes VII*
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fred79
Disgraceful
Undefeatable Hero
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posted February 23, 2016 12:42 AM |
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*checks thread for ratio of positive to negative feedback on product*
*laughs his nuts off*
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Raenus
Famous Hero
Grouchy curmudgeon
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posted February 23, 2016 08:07 AM |
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Edited by Raenus at 08:10, 23 Feb 2016.
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I see nothing wrong with what is happening here. At best MMH7 has a 40% approval rating (which includes both new fans and old, bringing up an interesting point I would like to revisit). I see roughly that amount of positive voices to negative ones. It may be more skewed towards the negative, but you are on a hardcore HoMM fan site. What do you expect?
The game has changed (for better or worse) significantly over the years. Reason stands that if you go to one of the oldest fan bases you can find, they will not be happy with said changes.
If you want a positive community look elsewhere, for the majority here is not a fan of the changes. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. You say the thread is not called the "Heroes 7 hate discussion board", it is also not called the Heroes 7 fan thread.
Quick note on my earlier point. There is this argument that the new fans keep falling back on. That is that Ubisoft is not ruining the games, and that all of the complaints are from the loud, rage filled "oldfags". If that was the case wouldn't MMH7 have at least a 50% positive average review? No matter how loudly you proclaim your dislike for the game each review only counts as one. Not only that, but the 40% I am citing only include people who bought the game. Many "oldfags" never even bought the game (and therefore could not review it), and yet it is still negative. The fact is that MMH7 is not a well received game, no matter your personal beliefs.
Expecting a heroes fan site, not a heroes 7 fan site, to be full of people extolling the virtues of 7 is a foolish idea.
Please forgive my incoherent ramblings, I lose myself far too easily.
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Creature Quest: HaltWhoGoesThere
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Hermes
Famous Hero
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posted February 23, 2016 08:12 AM |
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I got few questions:
1. Where does the figure come from - obviously not from Metacritic
2. Do you really think this site is a hardcore heroes fan site
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Raenus
Famous Hero
Grouchy curmudgeon
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posted February 23, 2016 08:15 AM |
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Edited by Raenus at 08:27, 23 Feb 2016.
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Hermes said:
I got few questions:
1. Where does the figure come from - obviously not from Metacritic
2. Do you really think this site is a hardcore heroes fan site
1. Steam, which I would say is a far more accurate cross section of the community than metacritic.
2. Yes. I do, and I bet that most members would agree with that.
*Edit, just checked the numbers. Metacritic, 350 reviews. Steam 1,676 reviews. And Metacritic still only has a 50% positive review.
*Edit2, quick note depending on how familiar you are with steam. Most games have a positive review since you can only "recommend" and "not recommend". This causes most people who fall in the middle to recommend it.
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Creature Quest: HaltWhoGoesThere
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted February 23, 2016 09:08 AM |
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Edited by Avirosb at 09:08, 23 Feb 2016.
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It could also cause them to choose neither option.
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Raenus
Famous Hero
Grouchy curmudgeon
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posted February 23, 2016 09:11 AM |
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Avirosb said:
It could also cause them to choose neither option.
And yet Steam still has almost 5 time as many reviews as Metacritic.
And if you find a game so mediocre that it does not deserve either a yay or nay, still does not mean that the game was well received.
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Creature Quest: HaltWhoGoesThere
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted February 23, 2016 09:12 AM |
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ChrisD1
Supreme Hero
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posted February 23, 2016 09:16 AM |
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How long Hermes has till he quits the forum? 
Liking this game and expressing it here is provoking.. Hmmm Is this a russian forum?
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Hermes
Famous Hero
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posted February 23, 2016 09:18 AM |
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Raenus said:
Hermes said:
I got few questions:
1. Where does the figure come from - obviously not from Metacritic
2. Do you really think this site is a hardcore heroes fan site
1. Steam, which I would say is a far more accurate cross section of the community than metacritic.
2. Yes. I do, and I bet that most members would agree with that.
*Edit, just checked the numbers. Metacritic, 350 reviews. Steam 1,676 reviews. And Metacritic still only has a 50% positive review.
*Edit2, quick note depending on how familiar you are with steam. Most games have a positive review since you can only "recommend" and "not recommend". This causes most people who fall in the middle to recommend it.
1. How is it more accurate to only take into account players who purchased the game directly on Steam, whereas many players bought the game off Uplay - for example all Collectors Editions are Uplay
1b. You obviously only take in account user reviews and not critics, who scored the game at 67 percent
1c. And if you even more familiar with Steam reviews, you know that only games that ever get perfect good scores are indie games or survival sandboxes. Steam reviews are even less indicative of games quality than Metacritic.
2. Ok then.
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Raenus
Famous Hero
Grouchy curmudgeon
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posted February 23, 2016 09:33 AM |
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Edited by Raenus at 09:35, 23 Feb 2016.
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Hermes said:
1. How is it more accurate to only take into account players who purchased the game directly on Steam, whereas many players bought the game off Uplay - for example all Collectors Editions are Uplay
1b. You obviously only take in account user reviews and not critics, who scored the game at 67 percent
1c. And if you even more familiar with Steam reviews, you know that only games that ever get perfect good scores are indie games or survival sandboxes. Steam reviews are even less indicative of games quality than Metacritic.
2. Ok then.
One thing to clear up quickly, I hope you do not think that I have anything against you or anything of the sort. Merely trying to point out why I think that you are being a bit unreasonable expecting what you want out of this site.
On to the counterpoints:
If steam is not a good place to get a rough outline of the average reviews, what is? Metacritic is in no way a large enough sample pool to take from. The critic reviews are (in my opinion) a joke. What gives the 39 (39! there are more people on this site, more people worked on the actual game than that) critics on Metacritic any more weight than the 1,676 people on steam? Not including the fact that may of them receive game keys for the sole purpose of reviewing the game, which will undoubtedly affect their review.
As for Indie/Sandbox games, yes they receive far higher ratings than they deserve. But in no way are they the only games with good reviews.
HoMM5, 88% positive.
MMH6, 75% positive.
MMH7, 40% positive.
You can not deny that those reviews mean something. Same demographic, yada, yada, yada.
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dark-whisperer
Famous Hero
Darkness feels no mercy
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posted February 23, 2016 09:46 AM |
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Heroes VII is ten times better game than Heroes VI. So there is my opinion on relevancy of steam rating.
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Raenus
Famous Hero
Grouchy curmudgeon
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posted February 23, 2016 09:52 AM |
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dark-whisperer said:
Heroes VII is ten times better game than Heroes VI. So there is my opinion on relevancy of steam rating.
Just because you do not agree with The reviews does not mean that they are not relevant.
I do agree that 7 is a step up from 6 though.
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Creature Quest: HaltWhoGoesThere
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Aionb
Known Hero
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posted February 23, 2016 10:13 AM |
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Edited by Aionb at 10:15, 23 Feb 2016.
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This goes for ChrisD1, as well as for the said Hermes (regarding his claim that Galaad was taking his statements out of context):
ChrisD1 said:
Liking this game and expressing it here is provoking.. Hmmm Is this a russian forum?
No mate, that is not provoking - Natalka likes the game, as well and you don't see such discussions around her.
But you know what's provoking? Coming out of the blue with such words as your very first statement in the discussion:
Hermes said:
Lol I just love all that rage on a new, free, Axeoth campaign with new stuff thrown once again for free. Yes it does use some H4 assets as intended lol, Inferno building from Heroes 4 in a throwback campaign? Rage !! Rage on lol. Honestly please just disregard my message and continue with the rage it's so very entertaining
That's provoking and sooner or later someone will get annoyed by it. What follows afterwards is just the snowball effect.
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JollyJoker
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
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posted February 23, 2016 10:16 AM |
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Look, it doesn't matter whether a gandful of people are arguing here about whether H7 is good or bad or better or worse than H6 - in the end the only thing that matters is the financial bottom line. The revenue of H7, and that depends on how well the game sells in 10.000s.
That is the final judgement, and GENERAL reception will decide over the fate of the franchise, not whether a dozen people here is going to bash their heads in over the game.
My wife has played the hell out of Civ 4 (still does) and doesn't like Civ 5; there are others who totally adore Civ 5. Sales figures say - doesn't matter, game is good enough, and between Civ 4 and 5 basically every strategy gamer on the planet gave it a go.
HoMM, though (or M&M:H)?
It wouldn't be a problem, if there was a mot of b!tching - but everyone was playing the game. I mean, a comment like, "You §"$§%§%/(, I want to play this game, but I'm stuck in X campaign, map Y,", or "Why isn't MP running faster?" means, people are PLAYING, complaining about details.
When you take steam into account, the telling figures are the playing activity rates. There is a much bigger percentage of the complainers that simply stopped playing: case in point: verriker, who said, with H6 he at least tried as long as he could suffer it (same thing with me). With H7 Beta 2 was enough to never again touch it. (Same thing with me - except after the last update I wanted to check the Lost Tales campaign, but the update had killed Uplay and the game didn't start; I had to uninstall Uplay and reinstall it again, and once I did and started the game, by the time the main menu finally appeared, one look at it was enough to exit the game again.)
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted February 23, 2016 10:58 AM |
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Edited by Stevie at 10:59, 23 Feb 2016.
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Well, according to steamspy, Heroes 7 sold approx 80.000 copies compared to Heroes 6 which sold approx 650.000. Put aside the fact that these are only steam's figures and different time frames, and I still find them incredibly relevant in communicating the fact that Heroes 7 sales were abysmal. Financially, Heroes 7 is in a much more precarious position than Heroes 6 ever was, and we all know what happened with Heroes 6.
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Guide to a Great Heroes Game
The Young Traveler
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ChrisD1
Supreme Hero
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posted February 23, 2016 02:33 PM |
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the person who wrote the titles of the achievements must have lots of humor!
"The legend of Zenda,
Stairway to Haven,
One Chief to rule them all,
Because I got high (really? I must see what this map is about, since it's an achievement of completing a sylvan campaign map)"
Who doesn't love puns?
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