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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted August 05, 2016 12:39 PM |
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You wanted random, now eat it 
Oh man..  All our talks of controlled randomness must have fallen on deaf ears.
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H5 is still alive and kicking, join us in the Duel Map discord server!
Map also hosted on Moddb
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3lion
Known Hero
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posted August 05, 2016 12:45 PM |
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What is the difference between developers giving us a percentage or the community figuring it out by themselves? We did it for Heroes 3, for Heroes 5, can do it for Heroes 7. Why be angry?
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Creature Scale mod (patch 2.2.1 compatible)
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Avonu
Responsible
Supreme Hero
Embracing light and darkness
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posted August 05, 2016 12:51 PM |
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Edited by Avonu at 12:52, 05 Aug 2016.
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@JJ
Maybe you remember when during H5 beta, there was in-game "skillwheel", where you could see, what abilities each skill had and what you need to pick up, to get advanced ones? And maybe you remember, how it was removed after beta?
What was Nival response to this move? And what was their excuse for not including Aurelian's Skillwheel mod in game?
IIRC the reason was the same as now - so players could have their random skills.
I think Heroes 3 was only game, where skills percentages were explaned for players in manual. I don't remember this information in HoMM2, 4 or 5.
I think you only need to look into game files, to find all what you want. So it is only matter of time, before someone will post skills percentages.
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"When someone desires information, they come to me."
"Details are everything."
Pipiru piru piru pipiru pi!
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JollyJoker
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
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posted August 05, 2016 12:53 PM |
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3lion said:
JollyJoker said:
That looks like a reasonable improvement, indeed - however:
There are 42 hero classes - you obviously need to know PERECENTAGES for each class, in order to plan and to get the picture what MAGIC you can reasonably expect to get (at all).
Not sure if this is legit, but the biggest 12% is for three old GM skills, which are available for this class in free-picking skill system. Then with 8% — 3 master skills, followed with 6% — expert skills and so on. All other skills which not available to a class in free-picking skill system have a 4% or 2% chance to learn (depends on a class, for example, Might class will learn magic skills with 2% chance and might skills with 4% chance).
No, that's not correct. The faction skill has no percentage assigned (look at the Bilashi example in your link). You have then 2x12% for the remaining GM skills, 3x10% for the M skills, 2x8% (?), 2x6%, 3x4% and 3x2%. That's sixteen skills instead of 10.
If you assume that 2.0 is way better than 1.8, then it can only be better, because now heroes can get potentially 16 skills instead of 10 - THAT is the main change. Now what you want to know, since there are more skills is:
a) which skills are 0% for each class (in the example it's important that you can't get Fire and Prime).
b) how are the percentages starting with the former Expert skills
TExample, why: Say, I want to play Haven Earth - I couldn't until now, but now I can. But what I want to know is a) which Haven heroes can still not get Earth, b) which Haven heroes have the best chance to get Earth? There will probably Heroes with 2% and heroes with 4%, and in that case I want a 4%ter.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted August 05, 2016 01:07 PM |
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You cannot compare H2-3 skills with H7 skills. The amount of H7 skills is huge and each skill has a maximum of 6 abilities which have a serious impact on your hero efficiency as well as your gameplay and strategy/tactics. In H3 all this was simplified, you only had to decide between one skill or the other. Take the garbage skills out of the equation and it was a pretty simple affair. At most you'd have to decide whether to wait for a specific magic skill or not.
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Map also hosted on Moddb
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Avonu
Responsible
Supreme Hero
Embracing light and darkness
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posted August 05, 2016 01:31 PM |
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True, but there also isn't any informaction that for example Overlords can't learn Water Magic. You must discover it yourself.
Heroes 7 only multiply this problem with lots of lots magic schools (because of lore ofc) and nonsensical classes.
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"Details are everything."
Pipiru piru piru pipiru pi!
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JollyJoker
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
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posted August 05, 2016 01:36 PM |
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Right.
What you have to know is
a) percentages for Offense and Defense for every hero (if the GM abilities are still what they were); you want get to GM with both, as boring as that is.
b) Percentages for the magic skills.
The last one is important. You have to adjust your mage guild in accordance with your hero development, and if you would always pick the two main magic skills they could have saved the trouble of changing this. Now, adjusting your mage guild at a point when your hero doesn't have the second magic skill is obviously a risk; not knowing the probabilities may mean you may run a VERY high risk, indeed, picking a more rare magic skill.
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LizardWarrior
Honorable
Legendary Hero
the reckoning is at hand
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posted August 05, 2016 02:03 PM |
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If the random skill system is in the update and not only in the expac, I can check the game files for percentages.
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Bitula
Known Hero
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posted August 05, 2016 02:10 PM |
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Is someone playing the expansion ATM? Can someone share his initial impression? Would be a bit more interesting then generic philosophy, Futurism, Vivendism, Erwanism, Hamsterism and whatever.
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GenyaArikado
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
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posted August 05, 2016 02:11 PM |
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Does the xpack have any new scenarios? What are the rest of the tavern heroes?
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3lion
Known Hero
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posted August 05, 2016 02:19 PM |
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Edited by 3lion at 14:20, 05 Aug 2016.
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Expansion includes about 8 additional scenarios and skirmish maps (some of them included in patch afaik). And 8 campaign maps.
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The_Green_Drag
Supreme Hero
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posted August 05, 2016 02:22 PM |
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Heroes expansions used to be PACKED with extra campaigns. Now you get one new faction's campaign.
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JollyJoker
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
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posted August 05, 2016 02:35 PM |
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LizardWarrior said:
If the random skill system is in the update and not only in the expac, I can check the game files for percentages.
I'd appreciate that. It would allow playing this a bit, at least.
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted August 05, 2016 02:48 PM |
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GenyaArikado said:
What are the rest of the tavern heroes?
Bifur, Bofur, Grumpy, Sneezy, Muradin, Bombur, Doc, Thorin, Fili, Kili, Bashful, Bruenor, Ufretin, Nori, Dori, Balin, Dwalin, Gimli, Oin, Dopey, Tyrion, Wee Man, and Rolf
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GenyaArikado
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
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posted August 05, 2016 03:06 PM |
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3lion said:
Expansion includes about 8 additional scenarios and skirmish maps (some of them included in patch afaik). And 8 campaign maps.
Would you mind telling what scenarios?
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etore
Adventuring Hero
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posted August 05, 2016 03:45 PM |
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Edited by etore at 15:46, 05 Aug 2016.
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Downloading patch 2.0 on uplay now. 7.61Gb
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Moritzbradtke
Known Hero
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posted August 05, 2016 04:09 PM |
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Me too, yay, almost done, HYPED  too bad multiplayer probably doesnt work for me still, i have only heard good stuff about it so far
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lordgraa
Promising
Famous Hero
The Whisperer
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posted August 05, 2016 05:06 PM |
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Edited by lordgraa at 17:10, 05 Aug 2016.
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PandaTar
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Celestial Heavens Mascot
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posted August 05, 2016 05:10 PM |
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World doesn't sustain too much of that crap. That's a safe trigger.
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"Okay. Look. We both said a lot of things that you're going to regret. But I think we can put our differences behind us. For science. You monster."
GlaDOS – Portal 2
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Moritzbradtke
Known Hero
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posted August 05, 2016 05:10 PM |
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This MEGA THREAD is pages long: 
