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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted August 22, 2016 07:21 PM |
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Edited by Elvin at 19:22, 22 Aug 2016.
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Tbh I don't understand why we are arguing about a game that was left to die. I mean that shows on every conceivable level.
Marketing? Nobody bothered.
Quality control? All major issues are easy to spot and reproduce, nobody must have bothered.
Multi still facing sync errors? Not even funny at this point.
Worse fps compared to previous patch?
Scripts failing to work left and right?
Guaranteed crashes?
Terrible loading times for a lot of the people?
Nothing we can do or say here can save the franchise from sinking like a stone or make anyone think that everything is fine. It's not. Even if Limbic had more resources, better ubi support and actually knew how to work on unreal(half as good as lizard_warrior) - nothing could have saved H7. Simply because Limbic is not up to the task, neither from a programming nor from a design point. They think they know what they are doing but they have repeatedly shown the opposite. And ubi's half-@ssed attempts to make a game with cheap, inexperienced devs - a different one at a time - have kept falling flat for over 10 years now. I wonder why?
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted August 22, 2016 07:34 PM |
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ChrisD1
Supreme Hero
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posted August 22, 2016 07:52 PM |
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It's a wake up call alright. A wake up call to never bother with heroes again sell it maybe. Which might be one of the best options.
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Antalyan
Promising
Supreme Hero
H7 Forever
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posted August 22, 2016 07:54 PM |
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How many times have I heard the opinions above? I wouldn't be able to count. And they will not change or convince more or less people if you repeat them 1000x times again.
Seriously, do you have to repeat the same things again so many times? Do you have to say the similar things every day or week, just through a bit different words? Is is neccessary to post so many comments with the same content? Do you need to inform about the same things and ask the same retorical questions?
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Important H7 tips & tricks
H7 Community Patch (UCP)
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted August 22, 2016 08:01 PM |
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Antalyan said:
How many times have I heard the opinions above? I wouldn't be able to count. And they will not change or convince more or less people if you repeat them 1000x times again.
Seriously, do you have to repeat the same things again so many times? Do you have to say the similar things every day or week, just through a bit different words? Is is neccessary to post so many comments with the same content? Do you need to inform about the same things and ask the same retorical questions?
well my son, I'm a living caricature so I don't get bored no matter how many times the hardcore fans regurgitate pathetic excuses for this scammy, dumpster fire-tier product, but I'm all in favour of closing this thread if you are lol
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blob2
Undefeatable Hero
Blob-Ohmos the Second
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posted August 22, 2016 08:43 PM |
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Edited by blob2 at 20:54, 22 Aug 2016.
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Antalyan said:
How many times have I heard the opinions above? I wouldn't be able to count. And they will not change or convince more or less people if you repeat them 1000x times again.
And here you are, repeating yours. Birds of a feather aren't we?
And these opinions are meaningful! I open this board, read that the game is still cr@p, whereas as shameful as it is, I've had a 1s thought of maybe buying it at some point...
Thanks HC brothers, you saved my money! Now I can go watch Suicide Squad in cinema. Oh wait...
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted August 22, 2016 08:59 PM |
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Antalyan said:
How many times have I heard the opinions above? I wouldn't be able to count. And they will not change or convince more or less people if you repeat them 1000x times again.
Seriously, do you have to repeat the same things again so many times? Do you have to say the similar things every day or week, just through a bit different words? Is is neccessary to post so many comments with the same content? Do you need to inform about the same things and ask the same retorical questions?
I'll give you something new to read soon, hold your horses.
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Guide to a Great Heroes Game
The Young Traveler
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cleglaw
Famous Hero
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posted August 22, 2016 09:04 PM |
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Edited by cleglaw at 21:07, 22 Aug 2016.
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Antalyan said:
How many times have I heard the opinions above? I wouldn't be able to count. And they will not change or convince more or less people if you repeat them 1000x times again.
Seriously, do you have to repeat the same things again so many times? Do you have to say the similar things every day or week, just through a bit different words? Is is neccessary to post so many comments with the same content? Do you need to inform about the same things and ask the same retorical questions?
i held my self for a very long time at first, then i was labeled as "ashanite", "unreasonable" etc etc because i said more or less same things. for some reason some members are very passionate about posting hateful, dull, boring, repetative posts... this is just the way it is in here. 1000 times said before? doesnt matter 1001 is coming.. you get what i mean?
h7 is worst, devs are uncapable, ubisoft sucks bla bla bla bla.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted August 22, 2016 10:15 PM |
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This is not hate speech nor an opinion, just the facts. The point is that there is little point in arguing anymore. Let the series die in peace and enjoy it if you still can.
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cleglaw
Famous Hero
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posted August 22, 2016 10:22 PM |
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Elvin said:
Let the series die in peace and enjoy it if you still can.
see, thats an opinion. i want them to continue on h7 as much as possible because i think game is good and it gets better and better... but you clearly think they are torturing the series so you want them to stop. if you hate what they do then why you keep posting about it? its been more then a year, you can pass this one and come back when there is a h8 at dawn. dont torture yourself with this obsession.just friendly advice.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted August 22, 2016 10:27 PM |
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I didn't say anything different. It's the same really, enjoy it while it lasts 
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blob2
Undefeatable Hero
Blob-Ohmos the Second
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posted August 23, 2016 12:00 AM |
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Edited by blob2 at 00:01, 23 Aug 2016.
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cleglaw said:
you can pass this one and come back when there is a h8 at dawn
HAHAHA... no.
As long as Ubi holds the reins, just no.
Besides one less player won't hit them too hard. Afterall, there are still those 500k players who will buy it...
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Brukernavn
Hero of Order
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posted August 23, 2016 12:03 AM |
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Lucky me, I already wrote something related to this discussion.
Brukernavn said:
If you don't like the game, stop talking about it
I have seen this reasoning in various forms around here, and although I will argue it is incorrect I can at least understand where it's coming from. If someone doesn't like the game, has stopped playing the game or never even owned or tried it in the first place, why on earth are they spending so much time on a forum discussing it? Criticizing the different aspects and spreading so much negativity - even having an interest in the employment of the people who made it. If you don't like it, fine. Just leave it alone and let those who enjoy it discuss without having to be constantly reminded about what you think is bad.
I can understand this reasoning, but remember that many on this forum have spent one or two decades playing heroes. That's a long time. They grew up with the games, saw them rise and fall several times, and are still highly engaged in playing, discussing and even modding both old and new games. It's a deeply treasured franchise that has given a lot of joy over the years, so it's not abandoned lightly even when things don't go their way. Think of them as soccer supporters who have stood by their team for twenty years. What do soccer fans do when their team performance is bad? Do they forget about it and start watching volleyball? Some do, but many still sit around hours discussing what the team did wrong after every single match, how they could have played differently, which players need to be sold or acquired, how bad the coach is and how he should be replaced, how much better the team performed when they were at their best and so on. Their passions doesn't go away, it just transforms from enthusiasm to criticism or even cynicism. So even though people don't like the game, or have never even played it, they will continue to talk about it. Hopefully this helps explain why.
That being said, I think some should ease up on the religious connotations and claims of "blind following" of other members. It only serves to antagonize. Most of those who enjoy H7 happily admit that the game has flaws, but that they enjoy it nevertheless.
Regarding system specs, Ubisoft should know by now that a large portion of the Heroes players have weak computers (as was made evident here). Up to H4 you could play all the games on a toaster if you wanted. From H5 the requirements have increased tremendously for each game. Of course this is due to the transition to 3D. But there is no doubt that the minimum specs for H7 are way too high for a TBS game. Even if it is 2016.
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Petiknight
Adventuring Hero
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posted August 23, 2016 08:11 AM |
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off:
Guys what is the title of this Chinese Heroes mobile game? When its going to be released?
Thanks for reply in advance...
I hope Triumph's next project is AOW4 
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted August 23, 2016 08:55 AM |
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Brukernavn said:
But there is no doubt that the minimum specs for H7 are way too high for a TBS game. Even if it is 2016.
Which would have at least made sense if the game was using cutting edge technology or at least looked like it was made in 2016.
Please no Aow4 yet, I haven't even started the 3rd! Actually I really like how triumph takes their time between releases. No game feels unfinished or wanting in any way. Even today you could start aow2 and keep playing it for years, simply because it's a solid game. That is what the fans want but not what ubi wants however.
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Momo
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted August 23, 2016 09:14 AM |
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Edited by Momo at 09:22, 23 Aug 2016.
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Elvin said:
Even today you could start aow2 and keep playing it for years, simply because it's a solid game. That is what the fans want but not what ubi wants however.
As I already said many posts ago, a game that you could buy in 2016 and still holds his ground for 5-10 years is like a nightmare for UBI. They are not uncapable of doing it: they are explicitly (and declaredly) against doing it.
JollyJoker said:
Exactly. The game SHOULD run.
@ Momo
My advice is to go into the options menu and configure the game with lowest settings.
Already done, since the very first time I launched the game. It didn't improve even a tiny bit.
Hermes said:
Actually yes, this is exactly what people should do to play new games at good performance. Don't like it but a console instead
I did. I own a PS4. Everyone adviced me vocally on NOT even TRYING Assassins'Creed because it was bugged as hell. Luck is a cruel mistress, but fate has it that it is another Ubi game as well. Coincidental I'm sure.
PROJ said:
I can't take these criticisms seriously, especially since many of the people here clearly understand nothing about computers.
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I mean, that one guy, momo, didn't even know how to post his specs.
You're sort of missing the point here, and from several angles.
Yes I know near to nothing about computers, except how to use them. Your point is that I am to be an informatic expert to play a game I paid for? I hope not. You see, games for civilized people have this nice feature that flat out tells you if your machine cannot run the game - so did HOMM5 on my even older PC, before I bought this one. If the game doesn't tell you so, and you install it, maybe it has problems at handling the graphics nonetheless - it happens, we all know that, we all accept it. That's why there's this other nice feature that allows you to adjust the graphics according to your machine. I setted them to all-LOW with no results. As I said, I ran many games with this old dusty thing, games who supposedly have a much bigger impact on the graphic engine and that look much better than HOMM7 for sure, and it never broke a sweat. Never even had a slow down or a leak and less crashes than I need a hand to count. Among those games was HOMM6 at MAXIMUM graphic settings, and I think we all agree that it was more or less as graphically heavy as HOMM7; it had troubles rendering all those pretty sceneries, but the game ran fine (after patches, of course, before it was a mess) so why shouldn't HOMM7?
Now OF COURSE there is an explanation of why it doesn't work well. I get that. Maybe Ubi supposes I should check the requirements on my own, maybe Ubi presumes my connection works better, maybe the game isn't optimized for this version of Windows 8, maybe thew stars aren't aligned on R'Yleh or whatever you want. That makes me the culprit and not the devs? If that makes you sleep better at night. It's self-evident that they could've made a better game that still takes a lighter toll on your machine. Because a lot of devs do that already.
And I hope you realize that even if I agree with your logic, the consequential answer would be that I shouldn't have buught the game (the standalone, but whatever). Unless you want to convince me that I should ditch a PC that runs better games that this one just fine, and buy a new one just for the sheer joy of playing HOMM7.
So you are actually proving my point: if I don't own a modern machine with high performances and I don't have a somewhat advanced competence on the computers' workings, then before any considerations about gameplay or strategy or design I am already outside of the group of people who should even consider buying HOMM7. If you call that a smart move, good for you.
cleglaw said:
i held my self for a very long time at first, then i was labeled as "ashanite", "unreasonable" etc etc because i said more or less same things. for some reason some members are very passionate about posting hateful, dull, boring, repetative posts... this is just the way it is in here. 1000 times said before? doesnt matter 1001 is coming.. you get what i mean?
h7 is worst, devs are uncapable, ubisoft sucks bla bla bla bla.
I too thinks that this community goes too much on the negative sometimes. It still doesn't make the games look all that good to me though. You have to accept that as well: there are people who dislike the latest games and can expose their solid reasoning about why they do. If someone comes up and contest their conclusions, they will very likely meet the same reasonings again. I don't see why it should be any different.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted August 23, 2016 09:43 AM |
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Hermes said:
Elvin said:
So people should buy a new pc every 2 years just to play the new games? Do you work for ubi or something?
Actually yes, this is exactly what people should do to play new games at good performance. Don't like it but a console instead
My 6 years old rig running Witcher 3 on high settings says hi.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted August 23, 2016 10:40 AM |
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Edited by Elvin at 11:01, 23 Aug 2016.
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Fun fact. My previous pc could run H6 alpha and then all of a sudden requirements changed in the next build and the game told me I couldn't. What are the odds?
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SoilBurn
Known Hero
BurnsSoil
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posted August 23, 2016 03:33 PM |
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Edited by SoilBurn at 15:38, 23 Aug 2016.
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blob2 said:
And these opinions are meaningful! I open this board, read that the game is still cr@p, whereas as shameful as it is, I've had a 1s thought of maybe buying it at some point...
Thanks HC brothers, you saved my money! Now I can go watch Suicide Squad in cinema. Oh wait...
I used to think exactly the same like you. I have been following these boards since years and they are still my favorite, Ubi-independent source of opinions and information.
A few weeks ago my flatmate practically forced me to buy H7, although I was very negative about it (I was arguing in the line of "crap game, full of bugs, no further support for Ubi" and so on). H7 is the first Heroes game since I started playing (H3) that I consciously avoided to buy on release. My wounds from my H6 experience are still wide open, as I was majorly disappointed by that game (boring skill tree, no replayability, large map crashes).
Well, little did I know. H7 indeed turned out to be a very pleasant surprise. It is tactical, diverse, looks good and keeps me coming back for more.
As several other posters have mentioned before me, the HC people tend to err on the negative side of things, and there are several polemic, passionate voices that dominate the discussion. The truth is in my opinion somewhere in the middle and it is not as negative, as the overall picture that you get by reading this very thread implies.
H7 is by no means a bad game. It is a badly developed and badly promoted game, yes, but as it stands right now (Version 2.1) it is arguably the best Heroes game based on modern graphics that you can get your hands on (I exclude everything H4 and before). So my recommendation is that you wait for a Steam sale and then try it out for yourself.
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Hermes
Famous Hero
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posted August 23, 2016 04:57 PM |
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Edited by Hermes at 16:59, 23 Aug 2016.
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Galaad said:
Hermes said:
Elvin said:
So people should buy a new pc every 2 years just to play the new games? Do you work for ubi or something?
Actually yes, this is exactly what people should do to play new games at good performance. Don't like it but a console instead
My 6 years old rig running Witcher 3 on high settings says hi.
Lol. So how you like playing it at 20 fps?
Momo,
Yeah I tried playing Assassins Creed which is almost Ubi's main franchise, but it was buggy and just very boring and way too violent for my taste.
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