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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted October 06, 2016 12:12 AM |
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vitirr said:
On a side note, the VIP program has ben officially cancelled as well. Not that it matters considering how our input was largely ignored but anyway...
I'm personally more than glad to hear that. There was little point to keep it going. Expect community blaming after this.
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Guide to a Great Heroes Game
The Young Traveler
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted October 06, 2016 12:46 AM |
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Unless the direction changes and the series gets a capable developer, it is more or less irrelevant. I gladly spent a lot of my time trying to help the team but what is the point if they are not willing to listen? The series needs people that are down to earth, know where the series is coming from and what its fanbase wants. If ubi assembles a team like that I wish them the best, if not may the series rest in peace. Preferably without another catastrophic release to drive the point home.
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AnkVaati
Famous Hero
Nighonese National Front
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posted October 06, 2016 01:00 AM |
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Elvin said:
Unless the direction changes and the series gets a capable developer, it is more or less irrelevant. I gladly spent a lot of my time trying to help the team but what is the point if they are not willing to listen? The series needs people that are down to earth, know where the series is coming from and what its fanbase wants. If ubi assembles a team like that I wish them the best, if not may the series rest in peace. Preferably without another catastrophic release to drive the point home.
Word.
I've tried to come up with something that hasn't already been said multiple times, but the news of Heroes 7's coup de grace really leaves nothing more to say.
Let's pray that the rights to the franchise somehow gets in the hand of some indie developer or really anyone who actually cares about it at some point in the future.
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yogi
Promising
Famous Hero
of picnics
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posted October 06, 2016 06:42 AM |
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Storm-Giant said:
H7 is finished, just not completed.
w
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am i supposed to knowingly buy unfinished software?
olorin said:
On behalf of the Heroes team, we hope you continue to treasure this series as much as we do and we are looking forward to seeing you again in Ashan!
^perfect.
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"Lol we are HC'ers.. The same tribe.. Guy!" ~Ghost
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NimoStar
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Modding the Unmoddable
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posted October 06, 2016 06:51 AM |
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Limbic is gone but the Ubisoft M&M team is unchanged...
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted October 06, 2016 08:41 AM |
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Surely they must've learned by now that Ashan is not a selling point. Right?
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It is with a heavy heart that I must announce that the cis are at it again.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted October 06, 2016 08:47 AM |
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Also people must really hate the H5 skill system that the team so religiously followed for H7. Adding their own unique twists of course
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Antalyan
Promising
Supreme Hero
H7 Forever
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posted October 06, 2016 09:53 AM |
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted October 06, 2016 10:12 AM |
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I half-expect that the next dungeon campaign will feature a scene along the lines of..
The dark elf mafia send their regards.
*stabbity stab stab*
My mind's eye cannot unsee 
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NimoStar
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Modding the Unmoddable
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posted October 06, 2016 10:32 AM |
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Edited by NimoStar at 10:37, 06 Oct 2016.
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we still play Heroes III because it's a great game, but when I tried to explain some things to the MMH7 Team when I got the occasion, I was told that I live in the past, that H6 is great,
Didn't you tell them: "If Heroes 6 was so great, why did the company that made it go bankrupt? Why didn't it get a single expansion?"
Now that I think about it, H3, H4, and H5 got two expansions each.
H6 and H7 were the LEAST expanded games in like 20 years of HOMM...
Erwin and his team were sure delusional.
Still are, thinking they will still "see us again in Ashan", after basically half-admitting their last game sucked?
Actually their post was kind of a veiled half-hearted apology-non-apology...
"Yeah this think sucked so hard, that we are ending support just months after a major expansion, and we even cancelled another planned one and cut all ties with the developer... so you COULD hate what we have done with the entire franchise, and you probably do by now, and also despise our whole "original content" world too... but pls dont hate it. Because we want to do it again. And keep our jobs (probably with bloated salaries which are most of the budget). Pretty please?"
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SoilBurn
Known Hero
BurnsSoil
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posted October 06, 2016 11:45 AM |
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NimoStar said:
Didn't you tell them: "If Heroes 6 was so great, why did the company that made it go bankrupt? Why didn't it get a single expansion?"
It did get an expansion, but I could not see anything - except for a purple screen.
NimoStar said:
Still are, thinking they will still "see us again in Ashan", after basically half-admitting their last game sucked?
I have no issues with Ashan. I have an issue with "seeing" Ubisoft anywhere near Ashan (or any other Heroes-related world) ever again.
You missed however the most glorious part of the announcement:
Ubi-Moshi said:
we hope you continue to treasure this series as much as we do
Now that is what I call professional French trolling!
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JollyJoker
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
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posted October 06, 2016 12:17 PM |
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Zeki said:
JollyJoker said:
You'll curse me for this, but they DID THAT.
Heroes of Might & Magic V
Might & Magic: Heroes VI
Might & Magic: Heroes VII
Sure, it might have been Might & Magic: Heroes, followed by Might & Magic: Heroes II, but then there is sufficient continuity to justify the numbers, it's just that the quality is missing.
You'll also have to point out what IS (still) HoMM and what is not; for example, King's Bounty is realtime adventure mode plus turnbased combat. Would that combo still be HoMM, if they came up with that?
Also, a franchise may develop - is HoMM 4 a true HoMM game or not?
yeah you are right, they did change the name.
And yes, defining what actually is the soul of a game can be hard (like with heroes, many poeple like it for very different reasons). That is why you need an able Team when developing a game with a clear idea and direction in their heads. That is also why it is quite hard to continue a game series with a completely different set of people than the original team. Sadly there was no one willing to contact old staff neither has there been new and talented enough staff since Ubi took over. (It seems more like a miracle that h5 turned out good at the very end than anything else)
EDIT
Btw my personal definition of what a heroes game is would be something like this:
In a broader sense i would say there are two important sides of a Heroes game:
1. Kinda like b0rsuk described it i see heroes as a sandbox for many different stories and adventures with lots of different mystical creatures. (this is where imho all of ubi's heroes games failed, though h5 not so much as the later two games)
2. A strategy game with deep mechanisms and intriguing balance( aka not just making every creature basically the same, yes im looking at you h7), basically what the multiplayer crowd likes. (this is where the mm:h games failed miserably)
Now about more specific gameplay elements:
- turnbased gameplay (both adventure map and combat, i feel that heroes should let you relax, take a break from the everyday action and chaos.)
- a seperated advendure map and combat map
- evolving heroes and towns
- different factions with many interesting and diverse creatures
I hope i didn't forget something..
I'd agree with that - but it obviously leaves a lot to the actual detail. I would add "fast-paced" for good measure.
Galaad said:
I get your point, but I don't see the necessity in the first place, the urge to fix what's not broken is and will always be beyond my understanding.
H3 also fixed things that were not broken. Basically, when you have a good, working game, every change fits into that category (change is not an addition). I think, a new game should have something making it worthwhile to play without actually making every game before that obsolete. I mean, go back to H2. Now imagine H3 being exactly like H2, except with Inferno and Fortress added (in H2 style) and adding the wait command in battle. This H3 would have made H2 as obsolete as H2 made H1 - but it would have actually felt more like an addon or patch-update with content.
Imo, you want different graphics from one game to the next, and be it only to be able to see that you are playing a different game. That IS change for change's sake, but it also makes sense. However, changing nothing else? That makes no sense at all.
There might be a better game lurking - but you won't find it without change.
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted October 06, 2016 01:37 PM |
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SoilBurn said:
Erwin said:
we hope you continue to treasure this series as much as we do
we are looking forward to seeing you again in Ashan
Now that is what I call professional French trolling!
yes I'm not even mad, but those two lines very, very clearly comprise a parting "**** you all" from Erwin and Arnaud lol
the final, passive aggressive, barely veiled insult in a long, long litany of insults for over a decade, well I guess all that remains is to raise a big middle finger and say "**** you too, Team Erwin, **** you too" lol
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted October 06, 2016 01:40 PM |
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I never implied nothing else than the graphics should change, but stressing changes must have a reason to exist, and more importantly should not enter in conflict with established game features, but reinforce and expand them. I wish the newer games weren't the obsolete ones.
On a side note, you are aware of H3 Succession Wars mod, right? 
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LizardWarrior
Honorable
Legendary Hero
the reckoning is at hand
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posted October 06, 2016 02:05 PM |
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"The Great Spider Messiah" - 1525, Xi'an, China
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JollyJoker
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
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posted October 06, 2016 02:28 PM |
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Galaad said:
I never implied nothing else than the graphics should change, but stressing changes must have a reason to exist, and more importantly should not enter in conflict with established game features, but reinforce and expand them. I wish the newer games weren't the obsolete ones.
On a side note, you are aware of H3 Succession Wars mod, right?
Yup, sure.
But, you see, that's part of the problem. Take a modern game that is really great, AoW 3. The game has basically everything you'd want from a game like that including all the technical features like two different MP modes (working as well), a phenomenal random map generator, and editor - and full mod support which means, everything you miss in terms of content you can mod into the game (and people do mod a lot). You could compare this with H3.
Now the problem is: say you want to make AoW 4. With AoW 3 being such a well-rounded game you MUST change some really fundamental features, bringing in something you cannot simply mod into AoW 3 - otherwise, why do a completely new game. Sure you can wait ten years, when we have Windows 25 and whatnot and bring it up to HDD or whatever the standard will be, but that's not really a new game then.
Of course, with M&MHeroes they obviously changed the wrong things or didn't introduce the right things, but considering what happened with H5.5, you need the games to be sufficiently different.
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Antalyan
Promising
Supreme Hero
H7 Forever
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posted October 06, 2016 04:58 PM |
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Storm-Giant said:
vitirr said:
On a side note, the VIP program has ben officially cancelled as well. Not that it matters considering how our input was largely ignored but anyway...
From this I think it's safe to say sayonara to the Heroes franchise under Ubi's wing. We might see some weird spin-off game (alas, chinese mobile stuff) but dumping the VIP program...damn.
Or should I be happy for you guys? Now you don't have to put up with them ignoring your efforts
Edit: Goddammit Panda, that was savage hahaha
I don't think cancelling VIP program is a good thing either.
Also Marzhin would not leave Might & Magic franchise if there was any project from Might & Magic franchise to work on.
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Important H7 tips & tricks
H7 Community Patch (UCP)
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted October 06, 2016 05:54 PM |
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JollyJoker said:
With AoW 3 being such a well-rounded game you MUST change some really fundamental features, bringing in something you cannot simply mod into AoW 3 - otherwise, why do a completely new game.
I cannot agree with this, imo a new game should bring new things, not turn everything uspide down.
Then I agree it shouldn't feel like an expansion, so up-to-date graphics, various GUI optimizations, new factions but keep the mythology goddamnit, new features that ADD to the gameplay and doesn't drastically change it, expand what already exists, tons of content, a proper budget and a release that isn't a bugfest, how can it go wrong?
Antalyan said:
I don't think cancelling VIP program is a good thing either.
Doesn't change a thing anyway, at least they don't pretend they have a VIP program when is just a sham.
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Gryphs
Supreme Hero
The Clever Title
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posted October 06, 2016 07:32 PM |
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Edited by Gryphs at 19:32, 06 Oct 2016.
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Antalyan said:
Also Marzhin would not leave Might & Magic franchise if there was any project from Might & Magic franchise to work on.
He could have become depressed.
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"Don't resist the force. Redirect it. Water over rock."-blizzardboy
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AnkVaati
Famous Hero
Nighonese National Front
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posted October 06, 2016 08:35 PM |
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This MEGA THREAD is pages long: 
