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CanWakhan
Hired Hero
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posted October 11, 2014 02:03 PM |
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lokdron said:
I am questioning how someone who simply said hydra's are coming vote dungeon got 25 up votes in the stand proud page. When people who make good points are below that.
Well you tried cleglaw you put up a good fight but as you said most people already voted. Only showing line ups can turn the tide.
It's 28 now. I'm an advocate of Dungeon in really pleasurable conversation with cleglaw but when I saw that I had the same feeling like you lokdron. Pity there is no way to "down vote" it or up vote cleglaw more than once per person - I already did it before. He's really giving all the best from himself.
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lokdron
Famous Hero
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posted October 11, 2014 02:06 PM |
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Edited by lokdron at 18:23, 11 Oct 2014.
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CanWakhan said:
lokdron said:
I am questioning how someone who simply said hydra's are coming vote dungeon got 25 up votes in the stand proud page. When people who make good points are below that.
Well you tried cleglaw you put up a good fight but as you said most people already voted. Only showing line ups can turn the tide.
It's 28 now. I'm an advocate of Dungeon in really pleasurable conversation with cleglaw but when I saw that I had the same feeling like you lokdron. Pity there is no way to "down vote" it or up vote cleglaw more than once per person - I already did it before. He's really giving all the best from himself.
Yeah its quite interesting reading dungeon and inferno posters who are making good points but when I saw that I was just like whaa? If you want to do that you can do it on the main voting page stand proud I personally feel is to have discussion, share art and other elements of the faction you like to sway votes.
edit: Stevie just spotted a liar who got 12 up votes to make people swap to dungeon and is using an inferno portrait making it seem that they are changing their vote.
Wow some people go that far? To ridicule a faction, Heck they were lying in the discover dungeon and inferno as well. I don't understand some people. ; /
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cleglaw
Famous Hero
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posted October 11, 2014 06:52 PM |
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Edited by cleglaw at 18:55, 11 Oct 2014.
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IMPORTANCE OF VOTE
Reasons from an Fan
Hello everyone. I think this vote is one of the most important decision in heroes. I tried to explain my reasons in this read.
I will start with a quick, simple list and explain them detailed under topics.
Here we go:
-dark magic allready present with necro, fire is not.
-dark theme is kinda similar to necro's. fire theme could be with dwarves and but they lost voting. inferno only faction kinda similar to fire theme.
-sylvan is kinda similar to dungeon with its elves and having them as leaders of a faction.
-dungeon voters said mythical creatures, but inferno has them too. also unlike dark elves, demons are one of the oldest & popular all-round-world known myth... like for thousands of years.
-not possibility, its about different story, so its automatically better than past stories which repeated over and over.
-dungeon, with purple, has the most problematic color theme.
-demons has countless shapes and literally has lots of innovation in line-up. it was before and it will be again. i expect many new creatures, or many new looks
-inferno does not have line-up problems like dungeon do(will it be like enorth dungeon or will it ashan? how many elves will be there? how many elves we can tolerate/we want? etc etc... dungeon voters didnt even realise they will probably get more then 2 elves. even the concept art shows 4 elves+black dragon with butterfly-wings. and the lore text hints us of those elven units. no need for another proof)
-ashan dungeon is not older than ashan inferno.
-in release of core game, there should be unsimilar factions as possible it can has, because game needs to appeal good to a lot of people to make money, and therefore to make add-ons, DLCs and expansion packs. people have very different kind of tastes. you cant really setisfy inferno type players with other 5 factions. you can maybe satisfy some dungeon players by necro or sylvan because they have similarities like i listed above(currently you can easyly see frustration and anger in inferno).
Arguement Topics:
About humanoids races & factions
Slyvan and Dungeon has some similiarities undeniable. What do i mean? Both have elves as main race, as leaders(heroes, rulers), and both have elven units. Slso dark elves are, biologically speaking, are the same elves with slyvan has. This is confimed by dev Marzhin. They only differ from each other by philosophy.
"Demon" is more than a biological/cultural race name. Remember that Succubus and Pit Lord are both considered "demon" at the same time. So the arguements of "you have full of demon army just like we have elves." is plain wrong. Demons have countless shapes and types and they can be very different than each other. Full of diversity, full of imagination.
People may tend to say, "orcs are similair to demons." Demons blood were used in spells process yes but it wasnt enough to make them demons, they share nothing in pyhsical or mental with demons. And more importantly, its not logical to give this example, because sylvan elf-dungeon elf are the exact same biologically like explained above.
People may also tend to give Academy and Necropolis as examples when it comes to this topic. "Academy and Necro are human too, Haven is human too, it makes it 3 human factions, why this complaint than?"
While this may sound like true from distant, acctually, its not. Necropolis is home of undeads from every race, and their important figures may come from every intelligent race. While in ashan intelligent races are considered mostly humanoids, it doesnt show that Necropolis has humans as their leaders or armies.
Showing similarities like Necropolis, Academy is not a human faction too. Like Necropolis, this faction is a home to intelligent beigns as important figures. They may come from any race as long as they value magic and science(humans, elves, djinns, cabirs...) rest of the army is constructed creations of these magnificent wizards: golems and such.
They are not human factions, and therefore, are wrong objects for given example.
About factions completing each other:
Some said Faceless vs Angel, Sylvan vs Dungeon but they forgot one big thing: All ashan vs Inferno! And plus to this infero may offer classic old Djinn vs Efreet. And as a side note: Demons vs Angels were all time nemesis of each other in series excluding h6.
About the darkness & fire, magic of factions:
"-dark magic allready present with necro, fire is not.
-dark theme is kinda similar to necro's. fire theme could be with dwarves and but they lost voting. inferno only faction kinda similar to fire theme."
Now lets explain that a bit.
Fire magic-Dark magic seperation becomes more noticable as the timeline comes to H7. In H6 we can see lots of destructive and offensive magic with Fire, and with Dark magic & Prime, we see control spells+buff/debuff.
And to be pointed, we can also see two types of connections: Dark magic-Darkness, Fire magic-Hellfire. As we may guess, this two connections are factionwise connections. Even in buildings we feel this.
A building in Inferno provides "free minor armegeddon"(h6)
And spellpower became equally important in both factions.
Dungeon to become "stealthy" and they will most likely redesign Dark magic to provide this.(side note: more explanation can be found in dungeon line-up section.)Same goes for Inferno with Fire magic, but instead of "stealthy", they were meant to be "destructive".
"Malassa’s magic, the magic of illusions and obfuscation..."
"...Malassa as seekers of forbidden lore and masters of Dark Magic..."
And with clan names "Shadowbrand, Nightshard" and the useage of new resource "Shadowsteel" in army. See my point now?
I know there will be 6 spell schools for every faction, but i think they will try to make Dungeon to master Dark magic best. But how? I dont know. I expect same evolve/devolve for Inferno at Fire magic-destruction.
Necromancy and dark magic AREN'T the same thing, i know, but practically, not really. Theres Prime but also theres Dark, even its more Dark than Prime if you also consider the gameplay. In H5 and H6 their Necropolis heroes were with dark magic specialities, and their armies dealed Dark magic damage(like lich in H6) and they show great synergy with Dark magic spells.
About fire, to make it clear i ll go a bit offtopic: I dont think Academy will expert it. Academy is simply good at every magic school. But i have a guess that if they have a such certain magic expertise, then it will be most likely to be Air magic. Why?
Firts, their cities floating in "air".
Second, ylath(dragon god of air) has no favored faction in h6, but also academy was not in h6 too.
Third and last, as we know, Ylath loves curious beigns. Wizards, well they are really curious.
But those are just blind shots/guesses, anyway, lets put Academy aside and return to main topic.
If they reveal something about necro to leave Dark magic, and go for complete Prime magic, then Dungeon will become the only one in expert of Dark magic. But for now, Necro still looking like using Dark magic, and they will probably stay that way.
So, in the end Dungeon and Necro shares similair interest with Dark magic, even if they are different in purpose of using it.
This is where Inferno shines. With the Fortress gone, Inferno is the only one left to expert at fire magic. As a race attuned with fire allready, they perfectly fit to this role.
Game would feel much more "complete" with such role inferno brings in.
About breaking clichés in story:
We have seen Dungeon's whole story in past games, most recently with the expansion of h6, SoD. On the other hand, demons almost never been told more then eclipse/blood moon events. We know few about their society, their realm sheogs, its history, we dont even know much about Kha-Beleth, who will most probably end the wolrd of ashan. We have a great chance to get those kind of interesting stories other then cliché eclipses. marzhin told 2 times this. We should use this oppurtinity.
About evilness:
Dark elves are intelligent but so does demons too. Even some demons are so clever, they use dark elves to do their plans over Ashan(realag/agrael, soulscar, kha-beleth vs vs...). previous players of heroes series, may remember some examples to this. I'm not a lore expert but lokdron has told many things about this topic. i ll try to edit and add his contirbutions to this topic later.
About history of factions, creatures and their iconicalness:
HoMM 1: has Warlock town, it has Centaur/Griffin/Gargoyle/Minotaur/Hydra and Dragon. Pretty much mix of all faction creatures. Only Minotaur seems "dungeon". Dragon is just dragon, it may refer to any dragon from any faction. Hydra is in h1, h2 as Warlock, in h3 as swamp town Fortress. I will continue later to speak about.
Conclusion: h1 warlock town is not Dungeon town.
My resource for this
-HoMM 2: Same line up like before.
-HoMM 3: Dungeon and Inferno appears at the same time. Hydra is not in line up. Minotaur+Black Dragon seems to come from Warlock. Medusa+Troglodyte+Harpy+Evil eye are all new appearing creatures. Medusa appears as neutral before.
Conclusion: with H3, we have Dungeon, and it is nearly complete new town with its line-up. Dungeon is not older.
HoMM 4: Chaos town has 5 creatures from previous games Dungeon. It also has 2 creatures from Inferno(efreet+nightmare). nightmares first appearance. Death town has 3 Inferno creatures Imps, Cerberus, Devils.
Conclusion: Both Inferno and Dungeon messed up. All towns losed their names, but they still has 5 creatures in game.
HoMM 5: Dungeon and Inferno name comes back. Minotaur+Black dragon=2 creatures from past Warlocks and Dungeons. Dark elves first appearance with 4 units. Hydras back again. Rest creatures are new. Inferno has Imps+Cerberus+Pit Lords+Devils=4 creatures from past. Rest are new but they are still demons.
Conclusion: In HoMM5, Dungeon changed much more than Inferno.
HoMM6: Dungeon comes in expansion. Ranged elf tier 1 unit+manticore from h3+minotaur+evil eye+black dragon=5 creatures from previous dungeons. Inferno in core game, succubus+cerberus+pit lords= 3 creatures from previous games. Rest are new.
Conclusion: Inferno changed more than Dungeon.
Final conclusion: With its theme & name, Dungeon and Inferno both appeared 3 times. 4 with H4, as seperated into different line ups.
Appearance of most iconical Dungeon Creatures
Minotaur=3(5 with Warlock, 6 with Chaos)
Black Dragon=3(5 with Warlock, 6 with Chaos)
Evil Eye=2(3 with Chaos)
Hydra=1(3 with Warlock, 4 with Chaos)
Medusa=2(3 with HoMM neutral)
Elf ranged unit=2
Appearance of most iconical Inferno Creatures
Cerberus=3(4 with Death)
Imps=2(3 with Death)
Devil=2(3 with Death)
Pit Lord=3
Efreet=1(2 with Chaos)
Nightmare=1(2 with Chaos)
Final conclusion: Both have nearly same results with 3-3-3-2-1-1 and 3-3-2-2-1-1. Dungeon and Inferno are equal in means of iconicalness.
Interesting isnt it?
So we can easy say that if Dungeon has a old line-up, so Inferno does too. Even at same ages, at same counts.
About line-ups: Inferno
Creatures of Inferno's Line-ups
1-a) On my view, from lore text and past:
Inferno has some essential creatures like all other factions in Ashan. Succubus, Cerberus, Imps, Pit Lords. All of them, excluding Imp, are directly confirmed to be in.
With latest reveal, we see "Arch-demon" who did appear before in h3 and h4 as "Devil", comes back again.
Breeders are also in to be confirmed. While they are not liked much, they have a plenty of different shapes, and this time devs my use a new model for him(you can check some of them in DoC).
1-b)rambotusina's view from mmh7:
mind control=succubus?
shape-shifting=new unit?
fear spells=nightmare or new caster?
attacks from above=new infernal drake or something?
Demonic weaponry=Some infernal knight/champion or two units since arrows and melee weapons...?
2-)From DoC cards
We know that developers keeping eye on DoC cards for inferno. Lets look at them too.
http://www.mmdoc.net/images/cards/normal/Hellfire-Maniac.png
http://www.mmdoc.net/images/cards/normal/Ur-Khrag-Enforcer.png
http://www.mmdoc.net/images/cards/normal/Hellfire-Cerberus.png
http://www.mmdoc.net/images/cards/normal/Chaos-Sorceress.png
http://www.mmdoc.net/images/cards/normal/Abyssal-Worm.png
http://mmdocking.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Soul_consuming_efreet.png
Full list of known possible creatures
Calculating, and listing them, we have 16, and maybe more units that not hinted yet. 4 of them are in, 3 to be chosen.
+Pit Lords,
+Arch-Demons,
+Succubus,
+Hellhounds,
+Efreets,
+Breeders(which kind we dont know),
+Abyssal Worms,
+Imps,
+Flying new creature(everything can be possible. drake? thrall of hate?),
+Shooting new creature(hinted arrow usage)
+Shape-shifting new unit
+Infernal Knight of some sort?
+Chaos Sorceress
+Nightmares
+Ur-Khrag Enforcer
+Hellfire Maniac
Down below, there are 4 most possible inferno line-ups systems depending on my guess after analysing sylvan line-up voting.
A
Imp(or new creature)
Cerberus
Succubus
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Breeder
+new creature
+iconical creature(Efreet)
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Arch-Demon/Pit Lord
B
Imp(or new creature)
Cerberus
Succubus
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Breeder
+new creature
+iconical creature(Nightmare)
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Arch-Demon/Pit Lord
C
Imp(or new creature)
Cerberus
Succubus
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Breeder
Pit Lord
+iconical creature(Efreet)
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Arch-Demon/+new creature
D
Imp(or new creature)
Cerberus
Succubus
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Breeder
Pit Lord
+iconical creature(Nightmare)
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Arch-Demon/+new creature
Comment on inferno's line-up votes:
Personally, i can go for all of them without problem. I believe people will have no big problems on any of them. Comparing to dungeon, it has no unwanted creatures in Line-ups. It will be all just about personal taste and it will be all equaly okay to accept the results of it. No raging old fans, no raging new fan... All community happy. Simple, no risk and clear win-win for all sides.
Maybe only one hard discussion: pit lord elite or champion? And thats all.
About line-ups: Dungeon, its problems, and warnings from me:
On my view: from lore text and past games
What we seen in previous ashan heroes games?
H5: 4 elven units
H6: 2 elven units.
Second, what we see now?
In discover dungeon image: 4 elf and a Butterfly-dragon.
In lore, we see lots of stuff about dark elves, meaning they are very important to dungeon.
In lore, there are some words for elven units:
-"Dark Elves can use other tactics as well, like sending out waves of fast-moving skirmishers" Blood maidens
-"...poisoned daggers than with an army..." Assasains.
-"Shadow Priests" well, Shadow Priests.
"Grim Stalkers for instance – strange, feral creatures of equally feline and reptilian appearance, that the Dark Elves sometimes use as mounts." Lizard riding elves from H5, Grim Raiders.
Makes total of 4 elven unit in lore. While there can be even more elves, we also see mentions about Faceless in Lore.
It also mentions some "beasts from darkness".
Some elves, a Faceless from h6, some new creatures to fit to darkness theme, and old creatures because of their value of iconicalness.
lets make a quick calculate: 3/4/5 elf + 1 faceless + 1 butterfly dragon + 1/2 new creatures + 5 old creatures. 11 to 15 creatures needs to be cut down to 8(7+1 alternate champion).
This all means there will be big fight between the new creatures, elves, and the old iconical ones(medusa, evil eye, minotaur, hydra, manticore). Which will have place in line-up? As you may guess this will cause even more problems. What will be the fans(you and i and others) reaction to it?
As we all know, Dungeon had drastical change of welcoming dark elves in h5. This created big confusions and various kind of dungeon fans. Elven dungeon fans, old beastly dungeon fans, and middle ground dungeon fans. Total of 3 kinds of Dungeon fans.
With h6 and upcoming h7(from observations in lore texts) we have another drastical change. Faction ability & detailed Darkness theme. Another thing divides Dungeon, therefore, another thing to calculate in. Esspecially in units. Devs will surely want to add at least one creature to faction that has harmony with those Faction ability & Darkness theme.
About "stealth & darkness" and its lore & logical problems:
With new way, Dungeon fight with darkness and silent, at least this is what devs come up with. Dungeon needs to evlove but is this the right way? Nevermind, it is or not, its allready been selected for us and it forces our Dungeon to change even more.
I'd like to point out a one single noisy creature pack can destroy whole armies tactics and fightin style. And dungeon heroes cant just make a dozens of noisy/heavy/big monsters invisible & stealthy with just faction ability. On the other hand, Black Dragon we all know, is allready had its change, with a cost of butterfly wings(old black dragon is now a shadowy butterfly dragon).
Now thinking about Minotaur, Hydra, Manticore, we can clearly see this problem with them. This darkness-silent theme is not a thing they can fit/support/live with. Now back to my main question, which creatures will be kicked out? Without doubt, old creatures.
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Last words from author
How can we solve those problems then?
There are only 2 solution to this:
1)Reset the whole Dungeon to create from zero.
2)Replace Darkness theme with another theme to create harmony with iconical creatures.
3)Kick the old unfitting creatures out, and optimize the faction.
Unfortunetly only 3rd option is left for now. personally im not sure that i want to solve with this way. What to do? Dont pick it. Dont vote for a crippled Dungeon, dont support this. Noone will be happy with the result if you insist.
Inferno dont have any of these problems. The problems above told, are only in Dungeon faction.
Among all heroes factions, no other faction has this kind of big problems at all.
You still have a choice and you should use it in favor of other faction, Inferno. Although butterfly dragon is iconical and strong, one creature is not important than factions themselves.
Thank you for reading.
(Special thanks to CanWakhan, for discussing with me)
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted October 11, 2014 07:06 PM |
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Edited by Stevie at 19:07, 11 Oct 2014.
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Great post there, Cleglaw. 
lokdron said:
edit: Stevie just spotted a liar who got 12 up votes to make people swap to dungeon and is using an inferno portrait making it seem that they are changing their vote.
Wow some people go that far? To ridicule a faction, Heck they were lying in the discover dungeon and inferno as well. I don't understand some people. ; /
I think we need a vote recount again.
People getting 32 upvotes overnight for a "Hydra" one liner. This is ridiculous..
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lokdron
Famous Hero
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posted October 11, 2014 07:19 PM |
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Eh just how things are sometimes we just gotta deal with it. Plus I assume the developers are going to read the highest up voted comments in the stand proud page.
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dark-whisperer
Famous Hero
Darkness feels no mercy
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posted October 11, 2014 07:29 PM |
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Whata wall of gibberish and nonsense. I don't want waste time and energy arguing on "facts" that exist only in cleglaw's imagination.
Most of the post is based on speculation, half truths and personal preference.
Analysys based on no solid foundation presented as fact. Laughable attempt.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted October 11, 2014 07:50 PM |
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While dark whisperer had a very blunt tone that bordered on the unfriendly, he does have a point.
For instance.. It is not confirmed that dark will be a favoured schools for necro but it certainly will be for dungeon. Most of Ashan's demons are made up rather than mythological. There is no guarantee that the story will be better even if I hope it will be. Inferno's red can easily match dungeon's purple. Inferno DOES have lineup problems, you just don't mind them. H1 warlock town is definitely dungeon, it's just gone through some changes like all heroes towns - Not like H6 inferno has any similarities to previous inferno towns. Etc.
Most of the things you have written can be refuted one way or the other is all I'm saying.
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H5 is still alive and kicking, join us in the Duel Map discord server!
Map also hosted on Moddb
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lokdron
Famous Hero
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posted October 11, 2014 07:53 PM |
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Edited by lokdron at 20:04, 11 Oct 2014.
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dark-whisperer said:
Whata wall of gibberish and nonsense. I don't want waste time and energy arguing on "facts" that exist only in cleglaw's imagination.
Most of the post is based on speculation, half truths and personal preference.
Analysys based on no solid foundation presented as fact. Laughable attempt.
Well even if you disagree with him I don't consider what he has written is a laughable attempt. All we have is speculation since they are barely giving us any information.
All we have is pretty old lore info and almost nothing on the units line up etc. Or even the synopsis of their stories.
All people can do is speculate and consider the amount of thought and effort he put in his posts I can respect that. Dark is one of the favoured school for necro's. They normally use prime, dark and earth. Even then majority of their skil dealt darkness damage and Ivan called on necropolis for "darkness to confuse our enemies" or something like that.
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dark-whisperer
Famous Hero
Darkness feels no mercy
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posted October 11, 2014 08:04 PM |
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I admire the time he took to imagine things up.
But he has to put disclamer at the top:
"NOT ACTUAL HEROES VII POST. This is excercise in making up facts."
For every block of text he wrote I can answer with few words that will totally crush his inferno sand castle.
I thought about softer approach but after I see someone so stubbornly repeating same gibberish over and over I decided to be direct and blunt just to be clear.
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Neraus
Promising
Legendary Hero
Pain relief cream seller
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posted October 11, 2014 08:24 PM |
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Yeah, we get it, you're a dungeon fan, but there is no reason to spit on the effort of someone else, like everyone does in the comments.
Tell me, you acting like this, is it because there are already half-demons, they are red dudes without a backstory or because they don't have a purpose?
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Noli offendere Patriam Agathae quia ultrix iniuriarum est.
ANTUDO
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frostymuaddib
Promising
Supreme Hero
育碧是白痴
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posted October 11, 2014 08:37 PM |
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And this is the reason why I HATE this community voting thing. People just turn on each other for a game...
cleglaw nice text, I enjoyed reading it  But, as Elvin said this can easily be refuted. In the end, whatever factions wins, I will be ok as long as game (as a whole) is done good.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted October 11, 2014 08:43 PM |
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There is no reason for this argument to continue, beyond the validity of the arguments. Cleglaw spent a lot of time and effort for this so the polite thing to offer would be constructive feedback. I disagree with many of his arguments but there is no reason to bash them.
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H5 is still alive and kicking, join us in the Duel Map discord server!
Map also hosted on Moddb
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dark-whisperer
Famous Hero
Darkness feels no mercy
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posted October 11, 2014 08:48 PM |
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Neraus said:
Yeah, we get it, you're a dungeon fan, but there is no reason to spit on the effort of someone else, like everyone does in the comments.
Tell me, you acting like this, is it because there are already half-demons, they are red dudes without a backstory or because they don't have a purpose?
I criticized his effort because he tries to coat his personal opinion based solely on his love of the faction as a fact. He even developed some pseudo science to present it as provable truth. And not for the first time. I don't want him to think that we are so easily deceived with wall of text and flawed logic.
One more thing. Its now clear that Inferno needs this kind of voters. It needs to twist and misrepresent facts to even have chance to shift few votes. Its so desperate that it makes me sad.
*EDIT*
My tone is result of my opinion of the quality of the post and its intention. It has nothing to do with him personally.
If I have offended anyone personally I apologise.
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted October 11, 2014 08:50 PM |
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Edited by Stevie at 20:52, 11 Oct 2014.
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Quote:
It is not confirmed that dark will be a favoured schools for necro but it certainly will be for dungeon.
True, it's not. In the same way it's not confirmed that Inferno and Dungeon will have an 8 creatures lineup like the rest of the factions. How is it not confirmed? - It's not mentioned. Assuming Dark for Necro is not far fetched in any way, especially considering previous entries. It's actually assuming the contrary that I find more far fetched.
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Most of Ashan's demons are made up rather than mythological.
Same goes for Dungeon. Only ones mythical are Medusa, Minotaur, Manticore and Dragon (to me, Hydra is not Dungeon, but Swamp). The plethora of elves with troglodytes, evil eyes, faceless and whatnot, aren't.
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There is no guarantee that the story will be better even if I hope it will be.
Dungeon, same. And I beg to differ anyway, non-Eclipse story is automatically better regardless of what it is. And it's not demons vs demons either.
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Inferno's red can easily match dungeon's purple.
Not by a mile. Red is the color of lava and fire, so there's a reason for it in the Inferno theme. Purple however has 0 explanation. There is no natural reason for it, just Ubi directives.
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Inferno DOES have lineup problems, you just don't mind them.
Interesting how you could know about lineup problems when there was no lineups disclosure. Heck, the faction's not even into the game yet.
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H1 warlock town is definitely dungeon, it's just gone through some changes like all heroes towns
I'm playing Heroes I right now and I can honestly say that the only 2 things that I see connecting That, to the idea of Dungeon is the Dragon + Minotaur, and the Warlock heroes. Which, btw, warlock is an Inferno hero with Heroes 6. If anything, I see That, more close to the Ashan Academy. Beastmen, Gargoyles, Towers - not Caves, and atmosphere. But that's just me.
It can be that it preserved its continuity within Enroth, but in Ashan, Dungeon is something else. Dark Elves under Malassa with Faceless and stuff...
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Not like H6 inferno has any similarities to previous inferno towns.
Same with Dungeon at the very least.
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Kivo
Famous Hero
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posted October 11, 2014 08:54 PM |
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As long as Dungeon is not all purple... I'm fine with it. If they plan to make it all purple, Inferno is my choice. Simple.
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somi
Known Hero
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posted October 11, 2014 09:01 PM |
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Yea, cleglaw post is nice, but its very flawed and biased to inferno with very little logic in it.
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cleglaw
Famous Hero
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posted October 11, 2014 09:37 PM |
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Edited by cleglaw at 21:42, 11 Oct 2014.
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i was in for receiving some replies, some discussion. not for some rudeness. theres a reason why i put it here. and unlike many people, i never hide my true intention with kindness. and by the way, stop acting like you really wanna apologies or something, i hate such cowards. you wanna bash in? go on, but cut this crap out like you really wanna apologise.
maybe some dungeon voter will make some move to discuss with me, instead of saying "very little logic" and such things. i didnt make a poll here, i wrote somethings, you should normally reply to it.
your laziness-rudeness, wont make you right or wont make me wrong.
and dark-whisperer, dont ever reply to me.
edit: this is what makes me not want to discuss anything at all. i wish i didnt post it at all now. but im not gonna delete my last posts, just because i want to show people how the community really is. this makes a perfect example.
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted October 11, 2014 09:50 PM |
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We're reaching that abysmal point...
I'm out of here. Gonna come back when people start appreciating each other.
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted October 11, 2014 10:03 PM |
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Aww, we're like one big family here :]
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Wellplay
Famous Hero
Poland Stronk
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posted October 11, 2014 11:08 PM |
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Edited by Wellplay at 23:10, 11 Oct 2014.
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More like one big foster family. 
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