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fuChris
Promising
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Master to the Speed of Light
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posted October 18, 2014 08:02 AM |
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GenyaArikado said:
i was just quoting Lana del Rey without hard feelings, sadly this post proved my quote right, aa pity.
And regarding the moderator, you have more...concerning members playing around your rules like a piano and you allow yourselves to be played with. Your focus should be there not in me :giggle:
You Foolish Foolish Sucka 
Now on a serious note. I know we can't expect Blizzard/Valve level of attention to detail fom Ubi but is it really too late to revamp the system to not have flanking or a 7 school spell system? The flankig is simply unnecessary and the spell system really grinds on my nerves. The spellsystem needs no revamping. It could literally be copied from any game since H3 and noone would complain, yet they implement a system harder to balance than any previous version... All the time spent on trying to fix the spellsystem could be used to finetune the initiative system and adding more map objects to make the map more colorful. Both of these are things the community actually wants to see and not some random feature you saw somewhere else and feel obliged to implement to meet the Ubisoft innovation quota for the year.
All I'm saying is that bigger, more successful franchises have had features removed from them during development when fans turned out to not like them. No need for unnecessary innovation.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted October 18, 2014 10:07 AM |
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GenyaArikado said:
i was just quoting Lana del Rey without hard feelings, sadly this post proved my quote right, aa pity.
I wasn't aware of that particular one but it certainly sounded like a provocation. If you edit it out I will happily reverse the penalty.
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted October 18, 2014 10:33 AM |
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Why should he remove it when it's not a provocation? Free speech!
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JollyJoker
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
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posted October 18, 2014 11:21 AM |
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JeremiahEmo said:
Galaad said:
NACHOOOO said:
If any of you have played Age of Wonders 3
Yea, thing is, AOW3 isn't HOMM.
I haven't played AOW3 yet but AOW2 was pretty bad. Please don't compare HoMM to AOW. It's an insult to HoMM.
Dude, AoW 3 owns the last HoMM games in every respect.
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RMZ1989
Supreme Hero
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posted October 18, 2014 11:30 AM |
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Edited by RMZ1989 at 11:34, 18 Oct 2014.
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JeremiahEmo said:
Galaad said:
NACHOOOO said:
If any of you have played Age of Wonders 3
Yea, thing is, AOW3 isn't HOMM.
I haven't played AOW3 yet but AOW2 was pretty bad. Please don't compare HoMM to AOW. It's an insult to HoMM.
This is hilarious, your posts are getting funnier and funnier.
JollyJoker said:
Dude, AoW 3 owns the last HoMM games in every respect.
Seriously, even AoW2 and AoW1 own H6 by a mile.
But I guess AoW series has too many female units for his liking.
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Give a man a mask, and he'll
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted October 18, 2014 11:49 AM |
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NACHOOOO said:
Whether we like it or not it's already being implemented, so if you go back to my initial post on the subject I'm talking about potential problems and I'm using AOW3 as an example that worked
Ok
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Naze
Known Hero
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posted October 18, 2014 11:55 AM |
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Although being fan of the Age of Wonders series, I agree with JeremiahEmo to certain point. After playing AoW1 for several years, I could not get used to the Wizard system in AoW2. Certainly, it had many strong sides (especially with the Shadow Magic expansion), but it is my least favourite from the series.
Age of Wonders 3, on the other hand, is an awesome game. And still getting better. Heroes has a lot to learn. I still hope there will be some sort of diplomacy in Heroes one day.
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NACHOOOO
Known Hero
Pessimistically optimistic
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posted October 18, 2014 11:58 AM |
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Oh man this got off track. AOW3 was only supposed to be an example. So let's get back onto the flanking system that they're implementing in H7. You get a full flanking bonus if you hit a creature from behind and only a half flanking bonus if you hit a creature from the side. This was seen in the twitch video. So the point I want to get across is that if you can't choose the direction your creature faces after an ordinary move, you could be exposing it's flank to the enemy.
You could also have the direction your creature faces planned on the enemies creatures initiative, but only if we get to choose. If we don't, it makes it a lot harder to move around the battlefield.
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Magic Bird, only a working
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RMZ1989
Supreme Hero
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posted October 18, 2014 12:09 PM |
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NACHOOOO said:
Oh man this got off track. AOW3 was only supposed to be an example. So let's get back onto the flanking system that they're implementing in H7. You get a full flanking bonus if you hit a creature from behind and only a half flanking bonus if you hit a creature from the side. This was seen in the twitch video. So the point I want to get across is that if you can't choose the direction your creature faces after an ordinary move, you could be exposing it's flank to the enemy.
You could also have the direction your creature faces planned on the enemies creatures initiative, but only if we get to choose. If we don't, it makes it a lot harder to move around the battlefield.
Of course it was just an example, but it is a good example. In my opinion, flanking system in AoW3 is done right, it is great system and it improves AoW by quite a bit. What is also important is that defending creatures can't be flanked(something that isn't implemented in Heroes online, and everything can be flanked...), but I guess we can't really look at AoW when talking about Heroes because whole combat system is a lot different and better done in AoW to begin with.
If we want flanking system like in AoW or something close to that, the whole combat system needs to be redesigned to work and we don't want that as we wouldn't have Heroes anymore but some other game.
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NACHOOOO
Known Hero
Pessimistically optimistic
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posted October 18, 2014 12:24 PM |
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RMZ1989 said:
What is also important is that defending creatures can't be flanked(something that isn't implemented in Heroes online, and everything can be flanked...)
They are different systems, but I agree AOW3 got it right. I don't see any reason why H7 can't have something similar, and especially the point you made about defending units being unable to be flanked. 2 things Devs should seriously consider
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Magic Bird, only a working
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alcibiades
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
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posted October 18, 2014 12:36 PM |
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Stevie said:
Why should he remove it when it's not a provocation? Free speech!
There is a rule against offending other members, it's quite clear in the Code of Conduct. Posting an offense is not allowed, and just because the offense is a quote from a song lyric does not mean it's allowed. There have been cases where members have been allowed to humoruously link to movie or song clips that contains language that would otherwise have been considered against this rule, but the post in question did not fall under this category imo., certainly not when it's posted with no quotation or no reference to the source of the quote. The message as it was written was very clear and could only be interpreted in one way, and that was strictly against the rules of this forum.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted October 18, 2014 01:04 PM |
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RMZ1989 said:
If we want flanking system like in AoW or something close to that, the whole combat system needs to be redesigned to work and we don't want that as we wouldn't have Heroes anymore but some other game.
I tend to agree with this. As I said playing Heroes Online with this system really changed a lot if not completely the way of moving your units, and I'm not sure it is for the best. I'm not against changes, I already said I liked some from H4 and H5, but they need to "fit" or be subtle enough, imo.
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blob2
Undefeatable Hero
Blob-Ohmos the Second
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posted October 18, 2014 01:06 PM |
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As long a the spell system is neatly designed, isn't it unimportant how many levels there are?
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GenyaArikado
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
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posted October 18, 2014 01:10 PM |
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Elvin said:
GenyaArikado said:
i was just quoting Lana del Rey without hard feelings, sadly this post proved my quote right, aa pity.
I wasn't aware of that particular one but it certainly sounded like a provocation. If you edit it out I will happily reverse the penalty.
No, thank you. But once again its not me and my "terrible designed" posts you should cbe worrying about
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Danny
Famous Hero
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posted October 18, 2014 05:00 PM |
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My God, why the AoW comparisons, that game is far more Civilization than Heroes and the battle system is horrible, which was also the main issue in Disciples amongst a lot others. The closest thing we ever got to a Heroes clone was Lords of Magic and even that had a screwed up battle system. There might be some details other games do better than Heroes but as the whole package, no game comes close...
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Wellplay
Famous Hero
Poland Stronk
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posted October 18, 2014 06:28 PM |
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Disciples 1-2 had preety fun battle system and been very good game.
Disciples 3 on other hand was trying to hard to be HoMM and failed.
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RMZ1989
Supreme Hero
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posted October 18, 2014 06:59 PM |
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Edited by RMZ1989 at 20:13, 18 Oct 2014.
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Danny said:
My God, why the AoW comparisons, that game is far more Civilization than Heroes and the battle system is horrible, which was also the main issue in Disciples amongst a lot others. The closest thing we ever got to a Heroes clone was Lords of Magic and even that had a screwed up battle system. There might be some details other games do better than Heroes but as the whole package, no game comes close...
Why the AoW comparisons you ask? Well, let me explain you this in a good manner, same as you don't like Disciples and AoW or think that Heroes is far better, whatever, my opinion is that AoW sh*ts all over Heroes. And I didn't even play Civilization because it isn't a game placed in fantasy settings.
I love all three games, but there are so much things that AoW has that in my book are a lot better than in Heroes games, and no, those aren't just details.
In the essence, yes, they are different games, but combat system is still fairly similar as both games are turn-based-strategies where you have army from both sides moving and attacking in turns while your heroes cast spells. I am not sure what is so "horrible" in AoW combat.
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Give a man a mask, and he'll
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frostymuaddib
Promising
Supreme Hero
育碧是白痴
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posted October 18, 2014 07:16 PM |
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Wellplay said:
Disciples 1-2 had preety fun battle system and been very good game.
Disciples 3 on other hand was trying to hard to be HoMM and failed.
IMO, Heroes 6 was trying too hard to be HoMM and failed as well 
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted October 18, 2014 07:19 PM |
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A discussion about homm and aow is most interesting but it would be better if it was moved to a topic of its own 
PS I too find that AoW is better than heroes in some ways but that doesn't make the opposite also true.
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RMZ1989
Supreme Hero
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posted October 18, 2014 08:17 PM |
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frostymuaddib said:
Wellplay said:
Disciples 1-2 had preety fun battle system and been very good game.
Disciples 3 on other hand was trying to hard to be HoMM and failed.
IMO, Heroes 6 was trying too hard to be HoMM and failed as well
Not exactly. 
To be honest, both "failed" Heroes games(Heroes 4 and Heroes 6) tried something completely different from other Heroes games and tried to change the basics of Heroes franchise and in my opinion, that is why they've failed.
Elvin said:
A discussion about homm and aow is most interesting but it would be better if it was moved to a topic of its own
PS I too find that AoW is better than heroes in some ways but that doesn't make the opposite also true.
Really? That is nice to hear, I had a feeling that you didn't play AoW at all(or at least not much).
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