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TDL
Honorable
Supreme Hero
The weak suffer. I endure.
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posted December 21, 2014 05:39 PM |
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Edited by TDL at 17:43, 21 Dec 2014.
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To be clear, no skill in H5 had more than 5 perks 
EDIT: I have always put balance first and foremost. I'm not daydreaming about fancy features like most people here are. I wish for the game to appeal to as big a fanbase as it is possible and since HOMM is pretty much 70% multiplayer/hotseat players/modders and those who play them, it is fairly easy to judge which side needs the most attention to make the game as sound and as balanced as possible. The simplicity of H5 skill wheel, despite its interconnected branches, was what made the system so easy to adapt to. Having 10 perks will require loads and loads of testing to test out theories. And you will get to see a lot of (counter)strats in both campaigns and multi, therefore it is better to limit the choice and work on balancing the inclusions.
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Lokheit
Known Hero
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posted December 21, 2014 05:51 PM |
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Edited by Lokheit at 17:54, 21 Dec 2014.
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For me the H5 skill system was the best up to date, by far.
Each skill having branches of perks, some of them racial exclusive (I didn't like it when in later expansions they started giving everyone access to some of them, like Warlock's luck affecting spells for example), some perks needing a perk on a different skill to be unlocked, it made some nice hero building.
That game spell system was also my favorite, the spells were categorized by functions rather than elemental schools and it was great. You want debuffs? Go dark, want to kill? Go destruction. It was also cool that spellpower was optimized even for buffs and debuffs as it affected either how strong the spell was or its duration, but at least it had an effect over the final result. Taking the 7 elements system again is a mistake IMO, sometimes less is better.
There are only 2 things that I would've altered from H5 skills and spells system:
- H5 didn't have might or magic hero for each faction, it would have been much better if each faction could decide to go either way. H7 has the chance to do that.
- I didn't like the ultimate skills for some reasons. The first one is that some racial lines were too powerful compared with others that were too situational. It also forced you to go through some paths and ignore some of your favorite skills. I think that having racial exclusive perks was enough to diferentiate factions.
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Zombi_Wizzard
Famous Hero
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posted December 21, 2014 06:26 PM |
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Lokheit said:
Each skill having branches of perks, some of them racial exclusive (I didn't like it when in later expansions they started giving everyone access to some of them, like Warlock's luck affecting spells for example), some perks needing a perk on a different skill to be unlocked, it made some nice hero building.
It is nice for hero building ... but you also had random skills ... which is a system that dosen't favour hero building, but rather picking the best solution and adapting. Perks that need other perks to be unlocked were not my favourite thing about H5 skill system at all. Altho I agree - H5 skill system was good. Random skills are like oposite of "hero builds". Since for any build you need to plan in advance. And in random enviorment planning is not an option.
Lokheit said:
That game spell system was also my favorite, the spells were categorized by functions rather than elemental schools and it was great. You want debuffs? Go dark, want to kill? Go destruction. It was also cool that spellpower was optimized even for buffs and debuffs as it affected either how strong the spell was or its duration, but at least it had an effect over the final result. Taking the 7 elements system again is a mistake IMO, sometimes less is better.
Agreed.
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RMZ1989
Supreme Hero
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posted December 21, 2014 10:32 PM |
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Edited by RMZ1989 at 22:36, 21 Dec 2014.
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TDL said:
To be clear, no skill in H5 had more than 5 perks
That depends what do you mean by perks? If by skill you mean general skills(luck for example) and every mini-skill unlocked by taking luck(only those that are in luck "group") to be perk, then some skills definitely had more than 5 perks. I am looking at Logistic right now and in some factions it has more than 7 perks.
Lokheit said:
For me the H5 skill system was the best up to date, by far.
Agreed completely. Not saying that it can't be better, but so far there wasn't a system in Heroes games that comes even close to it.
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Give a man a mask, and he'll
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andy_dandy
Adventuring Hero
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posted December 22, 2014 07:53 PM |
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Darkem said:
Perhaps it's because of the graphic style of most of the Korean/Asian games. Oversized weapons and sparkly characters? People call this style "anime" because it's the simplest and quickest association with other "popular" products like tv shows and comics from Asia.
My God how I hate this style, and how it has sneaked itself into the Heroes-series from H5 until today.
Can't put it hard enough how vulgar and uncharming it is. I lack words to express how sad it makes me. It's not only excessive weapons, but excessive armours and excessive use of all kind of things. It turns me off, and makes my heart bleed. My eyes are bleeding too.
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Alcibiades
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
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posted December 24, 2014 02:42 AM |
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Very pleased about random skills making a return. Also interesting that custom choice features are introduced, this opens many doors. We need to put pressure on them for custom choice of proper town portal!
Anyway, merry christmas everybody, from far far away.
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EPICUSDOOMICUS
Known Hero
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posted December 24, 2014 09:10 AM |
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@Alci
I am on your side regarding town portals
@all friends here in the HC
Merry Christmass!! Good health and joy to everyone
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To die in battle is the greatest glory.
To choose to do so is the greatest honor!
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted December 24, 2014 11:01 AM |
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Thanks, likewise 
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted December 24, 2014 12:10 PM |
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Darkem
Known Hero
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posted December 24, 2014 01:02 PM |
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Edited by Darkem at 13:04, 24 Dec 2014.
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Merry Christmas Guys!
Happy Hannukah!
С Рождеством!
God jul!
Joyeux Noël!
Wesołych Świąt!
PS. Really, no Cyrillic and Polish fonts  ?
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Pawek_13
Supreme Hero
Maths, maths everywhere!
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posted December 24, 2014 01:15 PM |
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Darkem said:
PS. Really, no Cyrillic and Polish fonts ?
Well, in that case...
Frohe Weihnachten! 
¡Feliz Navidad!
Wesolych Swiat! (I would like to write it right but you know...)
My only wish for you this year is that Heroes VII would surpass Heroes V, maybe even RoE... 
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Alex_Yakub
Famous Hero
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posted December 24, 2014 01:19 PM |
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Merry Christmas every one!!! Veselyh svyat, as we say here in Ukraine
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War-overlord
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
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posted December 24, 2014 01:25 PM |
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Merry Christmass, everyone! And a happy Decemberween.
Or as we say here in the south of the Netherlands, "Zalig Kerstmis".
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Zeki
Supreme Hero
sup
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posted December 24, 2014 01:43 PM |
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Merry Christmas all together! Hope you guys have a more relaxing Day than i have as we're moving and things are busy even today
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted December 24, 2014 02:02 PM |
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Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays, people!
Looking forward to 2015 and all the H7 news it will bring
Alcibiades said:
Very pleased about random skills making a return. Also interesting that custom choice features are introduced, this opens many doors. We need to put pressure on them for custom choice of proper town portal!
Did you read the last blog post?
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Maurice
Hero of Order
Part of the furniture
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posted December 24, 2014 02:32 PM |
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To all people of this friendly Heroes Community,
I wish that your Christmas is the best yet to be,
May it snow and turn the outside world to white,
And that candlelight and shining stars make it bright!
Celebrate it with friends and family, your loved ones,
After all, Christmas comes around each year only once,
So deck the halls and light the fire in your hearth,
Share and care, and feel the lightness in your heart!
Let us remember what is important in life, to share and give,
Remember it not only for these days, but as long as you live,
And maybe, if we all do just that, without constraint,
We can show that within each one of us, resides a Saint!
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Wellplay
Famous Hero
Poland Stronk
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posted December 24, 2014 04:49 PM |
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Merry Christmas/Weso³ych ¦wi±t
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TDL
Honorable
Supreme Hero
The weak suffer. I endure.
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posted December 24, 2014 05:15 PM |
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Mrry xmas and happy HOMMidays
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TDL
Honorable
Supreme Hero
The weak suffer. I endure.
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posted December 24, 2014 05:15 PM |
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Mrry xmas and happy HOMMidays
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Kronos1000
Promising
Supreme Hero
Fryslân Boppe
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posted December 24, 2014 05:37 PM |
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Merry Christmas! Or in Frisian: Noflike krystdagen!
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Hwær cwom mearg? Hwær cwom mago?
Hwær cwom maþþumgyfa? - 'The Wanderer'
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