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Avirosb
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No longer on vacation
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posted February 05, 2015 01:04 PM |
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Rakshasa92 said:
And War-Overlord is a Ashan-buddha, he will agree with everything positive energy + Ashan.
So annoying.
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Stormcaller
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posted February 05, 2015 01:19 PM |
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Avirosb said:
Rakshasa92 said:
And War-Overlord is a Ashan-buddha, he will agree with everything positive energy + Ashan.
So annoying.
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Minion
Legendary Hero
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posted February 05, 2015 01:45 PM |
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LizardWarrior said:
Maybe because Academy and Haven had cool line-ups? 
This is true. Plus Necro has the largest cult following (pun intended) 
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artu
Promising
Undefeatable Hero
My BS sensor is tingling again
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posted February 05, 2015 01:52 PM |
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verriker said:
what does "knowledgement" even mean? lol
It's knowledge that enables you to have judgement on something.
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Neraus
Promising
Legendary Hero
Pain relief cream seller
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posted February 05, 2015 02:17 PM |
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Minion said:
LizardWarrior said:
Maybe because Academy and Haven had cool line-ups?
This is true. Plus Necro has the largest cult following (pun intended)
If I might add, I tried in vain to replicate Haven's designs on HVI through texture modding, because they didn't just change the texture, they also changed the mesh.
The point I'm trying to make is that in Haven they changed more than the color, they also made the model look fresh at a first glance (Without taking into account the animations, but to be honest I kind of liked the animations in HVI).
Now, looking at Necropolis' elite tier you see immediately that they are the same model, just with some minor color change, for crying out loud it is the same elite tier as in HVI, and that's in my opinion the real problem, they didn't even bother to tweak the models apart from the slight color change.
Regarding the town, the problem with that is that it screams "WE LOVE SPIDERS TO DEATH".
If the spider imagery wasn't so overused in the town I would have appreciated those spider legs, but considering the context of the town instead of seeing them as an impressive component, I see them as a forced design choice...
blob2 said:
Neraus said:
"Necropolis: Land of Spiders and Skeletor"
Congrats on finding my little "cameo"
That was the least I could do after falling from my chair.
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted February 05, 2015 03:01 PM |
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Hoping for a non-necro update tonight...
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted February 05, 2015 03:07 PM |
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Edited by Galaad at 15:08, 05 Feb 2015.
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Storm-Giant said:
Hoping for a non-necro update tonight...
Well, I agree the quality of posting has been significantly decreasing ever since first Necro reveals (not for all though), but still, so much fun 
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Dave_Jame
Promising
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I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted February 05, 2015 03:10 PM |
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I just couldn't ressist this one
Neraus said:
Minion said:
This is true. Plus Necro has the largest cult following (pun intended)
....Regarding the town, the problem with that is that it screams "WE LOVE SPIDERS TO DEATH"....
* Pun intended
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted February 05, 2015 03:20 PM |
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Edited by Galaad at 15:23, 05 Feb 2015.
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Rakshasa92 said:
And War-Overlord is a Ashan-buddha
I believe War-Overlord doesn't support all the flaming and ranting. He's being very constructive and informative most of the time. I still didn't understand whether he likes Ashan or not, but if he does, he is most definitely one of the few in favor of this universe from whom I have respect.
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GenyaArikado
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Supreme Hero
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posted February 05, 2015 03:21 PM |
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cleglaw said:
GenyaArikado said:
you want to see what gothic looks like in video games? look for Darkest Dungeon.
im not joking guys, i think i lost my interest in h7.
Oh, i never said that it looks ultragothic, i just said it mixed the gothic and mesopotamian cultist aesthetics pretty nicely (and definitely better than H6)
Sleeping_Sun said:
GenyaArikado said:
The WoW comparisons just show your lack of knowledgement about the Warcraft franchise
Care to elaborate?
Other than the Vampire, which does look too much like the warcraft Death Knight hero, post H6 Ashan aesthetics are completely different, just starting at the body proportions used for the characters (ultra muscular men vs Ashan more realistic bodies)
Just for example, the latest argument: Heroes now ripped off Warcraft because it has undead+spiders. Yes, WC3 had spider-people and the Nerubian architecture did influence the Undead building aesthethic back in WC3 (in WoW the undead building style became more "Mordor") specially in the Necropolis and Ziggurath buildings. But thats where the resemblances end. The necropolis is an stepped building but it doesnt look like the Ashan zigurats, the zigurats even less. And the WC spider people are raised cannon fodder from a fallen kingdom, while the Namtarus are avatars of a Goddess, not to mention that they actually look like humans
LizardWarrior said:
Genya is the female version of Jeremiah, no idea why people take her seriously.
I am a male thank you very much. And i invite you to find and mysoginist or misantropists posts made by me. However, its funny that you tried to call me ridiculous when this was posted below
verriker said:
well hey Jeremiah tried to ram a lot of tasteless opinions down our necks,
but at least he wasn't so tasteless as to promote Ubisoft hue hue hue
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War-overlord
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
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posted February 05, 2015 03:30 PM |
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Galaad said:
I believe War-Overlord doesn't support all the flaming and ranting. He's being very constructive and informative most of the time. I still didn't understand whether he likes Ashan or not, but if he does, he is most definitely one of the few in favor of this universe from whom I have respect.
Thank you very much.
As for you question, I do not like Ashan, but I do not dislike it either. But as a historian and lorehound I am gifted/cursed with a desire to know about history, fictional or non-fictional. Just like my desire to know more about American History does not stem from any particular liking of the USA or my desire to know more about German History does not stem from any particular liking of Germany.
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posted February 05, 2015 03:35 PM |
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War-overlord said:
Galaad said:
I believe War-Overlord doesn't support all the flaming and ranting. He's being very constructive and informative most of the time. I still didn't understand whether he likes Ashan or not, but if he does, he is most definitely one of the few in favor of this universe from whom I have respect.
Thank you very much.
As for you question, I do not like Ashan, but I do not dislike it either. But as a historian and lorehound I am gifted/cursed with a desire to know about history, fictional or non-fictional. Just like my desire to know more about American History does not stem from any particular liking of the USA or my desire to know more about German History does not stem from any particular liking of Germany.
Well good for you.
Ashan has the most basic, easy to understand and overused lore of all games i've ever played.
Take elements + dragons = Ashan.
Tada, you learned all there is to learn. :-)
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted February 05, 2015 03:42 PM |
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War-overlord said:
Thank you very much.
As for you question, I do not like Ashan, but I do not dislike it either. But as a historian and lorehound I am gifted/cursed with a desire to know about history, fictional or non-fictional. Just like my desire to know more about American History does not stem from any particular liking of the USA or my desire to know more about German History does not stem from any particular liking of Germany.
Not a problem, I am not as blinded by what is happening to the franchise ever since Ashan was introduced as some may think.
I thank you for your answer, I admit I was curious on that matter.
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LizardWarrior
Honorable
Legendary Hero
the reckoning is at hand
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posted February 05, 2015 04:04 PM |
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GenyaArikado said:
LizardWarrior said:
Genya is the female version of Jeremiah, no idea why people take her seriously.
I am a male thank you very much. And i invite you to find and mysoginist or misantropists posts made by me.
You aren't being constructive, you complain all the time about complainers, yet you act exactly like the ones you hate. You are using one-liners, rude comments, request unnecessary bans, insult people who don't share your opinion, call them useless, also you defend things without bringing arguments against people who do exactly like you then say they are hateful. Also I called you female version of Jeremiah_Emo because you requested repeatedly female version of units (liches and vampires to be more exact) and you can't take humor, cheer up, I don't do that to attack you, just to underline some traits and determine you to correct them
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posted February 05, 2015 04:07 PM |
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Rakshasa92 said:
Take elements + dragons = Ashan.
Tada, you learned all there is to learn. :-)
Epic facepalm, lol. Just when I thought he had reached his low point
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War-overlord
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
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posted February 05, 2015 04:08 PM |
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Minion said:
Epic facepalm, lol. Just when I thought he had reached his low point
Like love, hatred can be a blinding thing.
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LizardWarrior
Honorable
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the reckoning is at hand
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posted February 05, 2015 04:08 PM |
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Minion said:
Epic facepalm, lol. Just when I thought he had reached his low point
Shh... the abyss is starring back at you
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Sorts
Known Hero
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posted February 05, 2015 04:26 PM |
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Regarding Ashan necropolis and the Undead Scourge well, they are two different things. Genya is right, nerubians were just cannon fodder. In expansion they added a "Nerubian Hero" that looked more like beetle than arachnid, and in Wow, and especially in WoTLK taht continues the undead related storylines. The main base of undead, the Icecrown citadel has nothing to to with egypto-mesopotamian look or spider (besides some mobs in it) neither have the Forsaken (horde aligned undead) who actually use the Gothic look.
Did they maybe copy the gothic look from H3 and H5 necropolis?
So what is similar, both WC3 and Ashan necros use the egypto-mesopotamian style archidecture.
There are two almost classic approaches to undead factions or themes. The gothic one and the egyptian/mesopotamian one. usually one or the other is chosen, some use both. An example of the other would be the warhammer fantasy where you have the Vampire Counts (gothic) and the Tomb Kings ("ancient architecture") factions.
Already H5 had "mesopotamian" elements, most if not all the necro town names were Akkadian or or based on it.
A important thing to remember is that during H6 and H7 necros have their own culture and lands, during H5 they are a hidden cult/group among "Haven and Academy lands" The gothic look is because they use ruins, graveyards and "corrupted towns" as their bases.
If there is one nice thing that Ubi has attempted, then its attempting to explain how Necropolis and Heresh can exist as a separate and openly acting lands and a faction. The friggin Deyja was a plot hole in H3. How can a kingdom that "harvests" its neighbor's populaton exist several hundread years? (The Ashan zombies and skeletons are animated remains, The Enrothian ones actually have their original soul trapped in them) I know Erathia and Avlee had occasional issues, but in such case an alliance of them would probably have destroyed it long ago.
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Avirosb
Promising
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No longer on vacation
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posted February 05, 2015 04:30 PM |
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Sorts said:
If there is one nice thing that Ubi has attempted, then its attempting to explain how Necropolis and Heresh can exist as a separate and openly acting lands and a faction. The friggin Deyja was a plot hole in H3. How can a kingdom that "harvests" its neighbor's populaton exist several hundread years?
How come the wizards suddenly stopped exterminating the necromancers out of principle?
Who is to say the mass harvesting didn't only occur in times of strife?
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LizardWarrior
Honorable
Legendary Hero
the reckoning is at hand
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posted February 05, 2015 04:33 PM |
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but in such case an alliance of them would probably have destroyed it long ago.
How can they stop a juggernaut whose armies only grow after each battle? That is a plot hole in Ashan
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