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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted February 14, 2015 01:06 PM |
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Pawek_13 said:
kiryu133 said:
Pawek_13 said:
Well, it seems that even after death the all-mighty power of erection can't be overcome...
i think the word you're looking for is "boners".
Hush... I wanted to sound more sophisticated. 
and skip out on an amazing pun!? 
for shame
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Sandro400
Promising
Supreme Hero
Shadow of Death
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posted February 14, 2015 01:10 PM |
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Regarding this Necromancer apprentice.
I don't know why she was drawn with such a... khm, decollete. She's bald, that suggests she's from Spider cult. Maybe because of the reason Dave_Jame said earlier. Maybe it's some kind of uniform (she kinda reminds me of servants of Nar-Heresh in DM).
But she's not undead. She's a living woman, so no mental disease here (unless she's flirting with some Vampire...)
Vein and Anastasya, on the other hand... well, that's fantasy. Necrophilia is, if I'm not mistaken, a sex with litterally dead body. Undead are not quite dead ^^
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted February 14, 2015 01:15 PM |
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War-overlord said:
Essentially: This, or no Necropolis for you, mister.
War-overlord said:
If you don't want to learn to live with this and hate Necropolis for years to come, be my guest. But I'm not going to let this ruin my enjoyment.
So this is your stance - willingly ignorant. You choose to disregard the problems of the game on the basis that it can't be done better so we just have to take it or leave it. Expressing dissatisfaction and trying to provide constructive criticism is not worthwhile since it's at best a shot in the dark. And overall the situation would not provide you with your much needed "enjoyment".
Yet you're actively implicated in debating retarded lore and dreaming about Lizardmen as an in-game faction. Not to mention your Unicorn campaign back in the day when you were spamming Unicorn pictures and writing slogans saying you were voting for "faction feel and atmosphere".
Blatantly inconsistent in your approach to say the least. If not outright full of hypocrisy.
Things CAN get better, and they already have in some regards. Compared to Heroes 6 this game is a million times better. We have a good gameplay direction, we have skillwheels, magic system and guilds are back, 7 resources again, better adventure and combat maps, better narration, Map Editor and other promised features like RMG and sim turns in multiplayer, etc. - and this, without a shadow of doubt in my mind, is the result of complaints and criticism, the work of the insider group, and more recently the Shadow Council which has been heard in regards to #GURS and is expecting now a favorable decision with Necro.
One things is for sure, if all of us had your position of choosing to not give a snow about the bad things out of a desire to not "ruin our enjoyment" and obediently taking it repeatedly while keeping in our dissatisfaction, Heroes 7 would've been yet another disaster.
Your position is without merit.
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Guide to a Great Heroes Game
The Young Traveler
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Pawek_13
Supreme Hero
Maths, maths everywhere!
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posted February 14, 2015 01:17 PM |
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Sandro400
Promising
Supreme Hero
Shadow of Death
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posted February 14, 2015 01:18 PM |
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I need to buy some popcorn. Now.
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted February 14, 2015 01:48 PM |
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Stevie said:
*can of worms being opened*
well snow
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted February 14, 2015 02:06 PM |
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I think I'm going back to bed and believe this is all a bad nightmare
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Pawek_13
Supreme Hero
Maths, maths everywhere!
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posted February 14, 2015 02:07 PM |
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Edited by Pawek_13 at 14:08, 14 Feb 2015.
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@Stevie:
You are no better in that matter. Remember Dungeon line-up voting? You were the one that complained about people over-reacting and what are you doing now? You overreact and the ones that think your current demanour is improper are the wrong ones. In Poland we say that the your standpoint depends on your "sit-point" (translating phrasemes is difficult), so think about that a little bit. 
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Zombi_Wizzard
Famous Hero
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posted February 14, 2015 02:15 PM |
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Galaad said:
PS: I'm not looking for any hate here, I just want to hear arguments.
Fair enough. Now, first my opinion is, that one dosen't have to be particulary fond of some idea, in order to defend it, or speak against it. For example. I am not to fond of rap music. I don't like it and don't listen to it. But if someone would tell me that all people who listen rap have no taste, and they don't deserve equal treatment, or that all rap/hip hop should be banned from radio stations, I would be against him. This is because I can relate to them, and know how I would feel, if my personal favourite music would be treated the same.
Galaad said:
I am against... I see... I believe... I think...
Are all expresions which express your own personal point of view. Just like my post expreses only my personal point of view.
So let me tell you outright, that I don't particulary like H7 Necropolis (altho I like art direction of H6 and H7 in general). However, I do not hate it either. I'm more or less neutral towards it. I do belive, that there are some people who do like it. And why should they need to justify their artistic tastes? Diferent people like diferent things. Your greatest desire, could be someone else's nightmare and vice versa.
Everyone should be free to like or to not like a given thing, without further justification.
Now. Games are made to sell. If they don't sell, then, the company would encounter loss. Ubisoft / Limbic, surely did some market research, prior to developing Ashan's artistic design, including spider theme. Results had to be favourable to the current design, which Marzhin also mentioned (H6 Necropolis was, according to him very well recieved). This means, that a lot of people like the idea of spider themed Necropolis. I also assume (and only assume), that there are also lots of people like me, who don't care much either way. Whether I'm right or not, with these assumptions is impossible to tell, witouth conducting personal research, which is hard to do.
And finaly, for my closing argument, I would say, that game, it's (re)playability, it's content, it's gameplay, and it's development, shouldn't suffer, because of someones personal disstaste of certain artistic design. I would hate for instance, if developers would scrape Dungeon, in favour of redoing Necropolis or redesigning the town screens. I would also opose the notion of removing or reducing number of neutral creatures, or the cool dinamic terrain mechanics, introduced in video, because certain margin of people didn't like one more spider, or too much skin on some model. This is imo the worst thing that can happen to a game. But any redesigning or changing already made features, would come at a price by deafult. And unfortunatly this is exactley what may happen.
I wan't H7 to be good game. Not good looking, bad game. There's more than enough of those on the market, and all of them failed. Misserably.
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted February 14, 2015 02:16 PM |
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although the talk about necrophilia is a little indecent, you guys should be decent to one another and party on,
after all even if your arguments are pretty decent, Ashan can never be decent until the writing rises above grade-school tier to a decent level
decent McDecent
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted February 14, 2015 03:04 PM |
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Galaad said:
I challenge anyone to gain a QP by defending the Spider-cult.
How can it be good for a City of Dead, how can such a concept be worth scrapping the pre-H6 Necropolis?
I nominate Galaad for a PENALTY for this post. Once again he opened a topic that has been cloased several time, and several times redirected to dedicated topics. He has done so for the sole purpose of provoking other members. This behavior is strongly similar to that of some unnamed members of this forum, which have been penalized for it.
Especially since the topic is based only on his personal taste and he will never be willing to accept any other opinion.
He is a troll and as such he should be treated.
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LizardWarrior
Honorable
Legendary Hero
the reckoning is at hand
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posted February 14, 2015 03:15 PM |
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Since when is invitation to discussions illegal on a forum?
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Wellplay
Famous Hero
Poland Stronk
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posted February 14, 2015 03:21 PM |
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Edited by Wellplay at 15:28, 14 Feb 2015.
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LizardWarrior said:
Since when is invitation to discussions illegal on a forum?
It's not but threads exist for it already named "Necropolis" or "Heroes of War and Craft"
So can people rant there?
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted February 14, 2015 03:24 PM |
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Pawek_13 said:
@Stevie:
You are no better in that matter. Remember Dungeon line-up voting? You were the one that complained about people over-reacting and what are you doing now? You overreact and the ones that think your current demanour is improper are the wrong ones. In Poland we say that the your standpoint depends on your "sit-point" (translating phrasemes is difficult), so think about that a little bit.
Actually, providing criticism and expressing dissatisfaction IS the better mindset, and it should be evident why. Voices are heard in the Shadow Council and some devs even bother to visit the community forums to check reactions. Suppressing criticism for whatever reason is opposed to being constructive.
His position is that criticism is useless altogether because the publisher/developer are not open to changes, hence the mentality behind the words "my way or the highway". I'm aware that this is in the case of Necropolis which is a tough rock to crack, but even so doing something might bring changes, doing nothing will not bring anything.
And guess what, we managed to make them consider changing 1-2 unit designs in the Necro line-up. Imagine if they do! A little victory in the mess that is Spiderpolis, but a victory nonetheless, one that would have not been possible without people attempting to chip at the rock.
Now I'm not that blind to not see beyond it if changes at this level won't happen. I already consider Heroes 7 a victory, one that has been realized by all the previous complaints, criticism, fanrages or whatever you wanna call them. It's easier to see results looking in hindsight, it's harder to envision them in the future. But just imagine how Heroes 8 would be better looking in hindsight to Heroes 7, worth all the rage and criticism? - Yes.
So when I say his position is not helping, I say it with good reason. Saying "This is good" or "This is bad" is ALWAYS better than not saying anything then motivating it within a pessimistic mindset that nothing's gonna happen anyway.
@Others, this is not actually about opinions on Necropolis or Unicorns or w/e. It's about how stupid doing nothing and reserving criticism is, in a time where they are vital for both Heroes and the franchise in general.
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The Young Traveler
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Zombi_Wizzard
Famous Hero
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posted February 14, 2015 03:40 PM |
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Just so anyone is aware. Changing slightly 1-2 necro units = 1-2 less neutral units in game.
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LizardWarrior
Honorable
Legendary Hero
the reckoning is at hand
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posted February 14, 2015 03:42 PM |
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Yay, we won't only get new models for necro units, but we will also get rid of 2 elves 
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RMZ1989
Supreme Hero
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posted February 14, 2015 03:52 PM |
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Edited by RMZ1989 at 15:53, 14 Feb 2015.
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Zombi_Wizzard said:
Just so anyone is aware. Changing slightly 1-2 necro units = 1-2 less neutral units in game.
That isn't equal. Equal would be getting 1-2 lower quality neutrals than the rest.
And even if that is the case, I am playing with Necropolis, I am not playing with Neutrals... I won't be seeing them every game and if I would it won't be often.
LizardWarrior said:
Yay, we won't only get new models for necro units, but we will also get rid of 2 elves
Well, getting rid of 2 out of 100 is same as 0, lol.
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Give a man a mask, and he'll
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted February 14, 2015 03:56 PM |
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Dave_Jame said:
I nominate Galaad for a PENALTY for this post. Once again he opened a topic that has been cloased several time, and several times redirected to dedicated topics. He has done so for the sole purpose of provoking other members. This behavior is strongly similar to that of some unnamed members of this forum, which have been penalized for it.
Especially since the topic is based only on his personal taste and he will never be willing to accept any other opinion.
He is a troll and as such he should be treated.
come on now, that's ridiculous, there's no need to be so petty and mean-spirited, calling names and nominating someone for a penalty
just because you're somehow able to doublethink your way into liking the Spideropolis doesn't mean everyone can or should lol
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War-overlord
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
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posted February 14, 2015 04:12 PM |
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@Stevie.
All of that might make sense, if you had not already won the fight.
As Galaad quoted Marzhin in the beginning. This is as bad as it is gonna get. Next time, things will veer away from this. So you've already won. You've been heard. Things are not gonna change now, because they've already been made and there aren't enough resources to change that without cutting deep into other (more important) things.
This is not about pessimistically accepting that you're just a stooge with a wallet (which you are and there are plenty more without you). This is about accepting that you've been heard and changes are on the (distant) horizon.
Keeping on and on about the same thing you've already gotten concessions made to you is ingratefull and bratty. It is essentially saying: I don't want my dessert after diner, I want it NOW!
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Zombi_Wizzard
Famous Hero
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posted February 14, 2015 04:26 PM |
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RMZ1989 said:
That isn't equal. Equal would be getting 1-2 lower quality neutrals than the rest.
I agree. It isn't equal, but that's how this works more or less. Budget for developing a game is finite. If you cancel something to redo it, then you must cut somewhere else.
It is not artist's job to give people what they want. It's his job to do something, that he thinks people might enjoy ... or even that only he, himself might enjoy.
Do you remember when we voted on colour of Mario's hat? or his moustache? Or that time when developers of Doom asked if Cacodemon's are a good enemy? Exactley.
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