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Pawek_13
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Maths, maths everywhere!
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posted February 24, 2015 04:47 PM |
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Kayna said:
JollyJoker said:
Mhat would be a progressive Necro then?
Trying another race would be a start?
You mean that instead of undead human we would get undead... elves or nagas?
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted February 24, 2015 05:00 PM |
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More Elves? Please no
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dark-whisperer
Famous Hero
Darkness feels no mercy
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posted February 24, 2015 05:01 PM |
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I asked because because some of your exchanges with WO were indicative to me:
Galaad said:
The picture is deeper than "do I like the lore or not", I think lore has way more importance and impact on the game than what most people seem to think.
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I understood lore was the reason of all my problems with Heroes V. You gotta admit designs and visuals -contributing to the atmosphere- are tied together with the lore, so whether I have a problem regarding the universe, I am willing to think lore is to blame for most cases. Trust me, if I could have avoided Ashan to affect me, I would have done so.
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So even if I rant, I still see some potential in H7, maybe not enough to be the great game Marzhin wishes for, but at least a good one that I hope to enjoy nevertheless.
It seams that from the start, for you, Ashan is limiting factor that prevents all future Heroes from greatness. So for Heroes game in Ashan universe there is scale from utter cr@p to maybe good but there is absolutely no chance for new best game in franchise regardless of gameplay?
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted February 24, 2015 05:03 PM |
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Storm-Giant said:
More Elves? Please no
Oh come on Storm. We only have 3 kind's of them, but there are 8-9 dragons, I think all dragons should have their elves.
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Kayna
Supreme Hero
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posted February 24, 2015 05:03 PM |
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Edited by Kayna at 17:05, 24 Feb 2015.
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I am an old chess player. I've been playing chess for 40 years. After endless weeks of harassment by my young nephew, I finally tried his might and magic, the second game I ever played in my life. But only because it was my nephew that asked it. I play undead. And only undead.
I like to turtle in corners and shoot stuff.
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War-overlord
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
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posted February 24, 2015 05:12 PM |
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Galaad said:
But peasantry did not live secure enough, the 100 hundred years war and the plague were devastating. We must admit at the times of the Quattrocento that there was a completely new access to the original texts of Antiquity (after the fall of Contantinople 1453, the byzantine scholars fled with the greek manuscripts to Venezia and Firenze), then began the great discoveries of the new worlds by the portuguese and by Colombus) which changed our vision of the world, and sciences made a great step with Copernic, Kepler, Tycho Brahé and Galileo. Add to that the revolution of printing (Gutenberg 1454), and you could understand why people had the right feeling to live a new historical period, contrasting deeply with the medieval one (called medieval because intermediary between the Great greek and roman Antiquity and the new Age of civilization).
The peasantry lived no more secure after the Italian Rennaissance. Yes the 100-years war was devastating to France, but so was the 80-years war to the Low Countries and Spain and the 30-years war to the German Principalities. So was the English Civil War. The Franco-Dutch War, the 9-Years War, Wars of Spanish Succession, etc. Wars ravaging the countryside was greater constant than peace was.
The Plague Pandemic lasted well into the 17th Century and never fully retreated from Europe untill the 19th.
And famine and cropfailure were a Sword of Damocles to the peasantry until the mechanisation of agriculture.
So yes, the peasantry did not live secure during the Middle Ages, but it lived no more sucure in the next 4 centuries.
Yes, the fall of Constantinople brought an influx of new antique texts. But many of those were already available in Arabic, Latin and Hebrew due to the conquests of Sicily and Spain on the Arabs.
The Discovery of the Americas did not change the view of the world as drastically as you might imagine. Science making leaps, yes. Most of which weren't possible if they did not build on observations and theories developed during the Middle Ages. Science was not at a standstill during those ages, though there was a significant greater focus on Humanities and Law.
The Printing Press I'm not going to debate you on, that indeed made the spreading of information quicker and more reliable. Even if it did take a good 150 years before it realy took off.
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Pawek_13
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Maths, maths everywhere!
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posted February 24, 2015 05:13 PM |
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Storm-Giant said:
More Elves? Please no
This is not what I meant. Two factions with elves is perfectly enough. 
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ThatRedSarah
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Adventuring Hero
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posted February 24, 2015 05:18 PM |
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Quick side question before you go back to arguing with each other:
(first of all, i have no idea about the lore or any of those things so...)
I have thought that Academy was some kind of wizards of the desert faction? They have this desert Aladdin feel going on. But then the town screen is on mountains and rocks and there is green grass and a blue background... I dont see sand anywhere... 
So how do you explain that? Is it some sort of lore or geography thing that i have totally missed?
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fuChris
Promising
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Master to the Speed of Light
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posted February 24, 2015 05:24 PM |
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Edited by fuChris at 17:25, 24 Feb 2015.
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ThatRedSarah said:
So how do you explain that? Is it some sort of lore or geography thing that i have totally missed?
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ThatRedSarah
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Adventuring Hero
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posted February 24, 2015 05:32 PM |
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fuChris said:
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Hehe  i should have known
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Pawek_13
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Maths, maths everywhere!
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posted February 24, 2015 05:33 PM |
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Edited by Pawek_13 at 17:36, 24 Feb 2015.
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ThatRedSarah said:
I have thought that Academy was some kind of wizards of the desert faction? They have this desert Aladdin feel going on. But then the town screen is on mountains and rocks and there is green grass and a blue background... I dont see sand anywhere...
First of all, according to that map most of their cities are build on riverbanks, by sea or in an oasis, so they can get some water from these sources. Secondly, their technology is quite sophisticated, so creating system of pumps and some irrigation shouldn't be a problem. Third explaination - magic.
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ThatRedSarah
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posted February 24, 2015 05:41 PM |
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Pawek_13 said:
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First of all, according to that map most of their cities are build on riverbanks, by sea or in an oasis, so they can get some water from these sources. Secondly, their technology is quite sophisticated, so creating system of pumps and some irrigation shouldn't be a problem. Third explaination - magic.
yeah but seriously, that explains it pretty well. Thanks!
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Sandro400
Promising
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Shadow of Death
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posted February 24, 2015 05:42 PM |
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ThatRedSarah said:
So how do you explain that? Is it some sort of lore or geography thing that i have totally missed?
As you can see here, many Wizard cities are located in or close to the mountains + there're some forests.
+ it's important to remember that a townscreen is an example of 1 (or several) town(s). Surely not all towns look like this. Look for other townscreens on the map.
P.S.: oops, not the first one to answer 
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted February 24, 2015 05:46 PM |
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War-overlord said:
Galaad said:
But peasantry did not live secure enough, the 100 hundred years war and the plague were devastating. We must admit at the times of the Quattrocento that there was a completely new access to the original texts of Antiquity (after the fall of Contantinople 1453, the byzantine scholars fled with the greek manuscripts to Venezia and Firenze), then began the great discoveries of the new worlds by the portuguese and by Colombus) which changed our vision of the world, and sciences made a great step with Copernic, Kepler, Tycho Brahé and Galileo. Add to that the revolution of printing (Gutenberg 1454), and you could understand why people had the right feeling to live a new historical period, contrasting deeply with the medieval one (called medieval because intermediary between the Great greek and roman Antiquity and the new Age of civilization).
The peasantry lived no more secure after the Italian Rennaissance. Yes the 100-years war was devastating to France, but so was the 80-years war to the Low Countries and Spain and the 30-years war to the German Principalities. So was the English Civil War. The Franco-Dutch War, the 9-Years War, Wars of Spanish Succession, etc. Wars ravaging the countryside was greater constant than peace was.
The Plague Pandemic lasted well into the 17th Century and never fully retreated from Europe untill the 19th.
And famine and cropfailure were a Sword of Damocles to the peasantry until the mechanisation of agriculture.
So yes, the peasantry did not live secure during the Middle Ages, but it lived no more sucure in the next 4 centuries.
Yes, the fall of Constantinople brought an influx of new antique texts. But many of those were already available in Arabic, Latin and Hebrew due to the conquests of Sicily and Spain on the Arabs.
The Discovery of the Americas did not change the view of the world as drastically as you might imagine. Science making leaps, yes. Most of which weren't possible if they did not build on observations and theories developed during the Middle Ages. Science was not at a standstill during those ages, though there was a significant greater focus on Humanities and Law.
The Printing Press I'm not going to debate you on, that indeed made the spreading of information quicker and more reliable. Even if it did take a good 150 years before it realy took off.
I do appreciate all your accurate informations, but still I do think that there was a real feeling that something new was happening, and indeed they were living a great change and it was not only a subjective appreciation, even if we think with Jacques Le Goff that there is a long Middle Ages till our modern times. But you should be right to think that a major change happened with the Enlightenment in the XVIIIth c.
Followed by the industrial period of the XIX th c.. Another major change is our actual use of the web and the recent technology.
Dark-Whisperer said:
It seams that from the start, for you, Ashan is limiting factor that prevents all future Heroes from greatness. So for Heroes game in Ashan universe there is scale from utter cr@p to maybe good but there is absolutely no chance for new best game in franchise regardless of gameplay?
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Stevie
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Undefeatable Hero
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posted February 24, 2015 05:47 PM |
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Edited by Stevie at 18:02, 24 Feb 2015.
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War-Overlord said:
Ignorance is bliss.
Are you still at that, WO? I thought I was pretty clear when I said that mentality of yours has no merit. You're accomplishing no less than what this fella does. Or is it that hard for you to comprehend why people want to try to actually address an issue by being vocal about it in hope that change will follow from those who have the power to bring it about rather than being ignorant about it, which is nothing less than condoning said issue?
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ThatRedSarah
Famous Hero
Adventuring Hero
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posted February 24, 2015 05:50 PM |
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Sandro400 said:
P.S.: oops, not the first one to answer
Thank you anyway! 
I really like the atmosphere of this picture that i found in the Tharaa description.
Picture
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Pawek_13
Supreme Hero
Maths, maths everywhere!
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posted February 24, 2015 05:58 PM |
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No Tuesday update? Okay. 
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ThatRedSarah
Famous Hero
Adventuring Hero
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posted February 24, 2015 06:07 PM |
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@ Galaad
@ War-Overlord
Points for you for the history discussion. I really like the medieval times and its history, so reading your latest posts has been very interesting.
Stevie said:
what this fella does
Nice picture! Ostriches are such idiots  National bird of Australia by the way (thats me being smart and taking part in the conversation) National bird is emu and turns out that i am not that smart after all
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kiryu133
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Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted February 24, 2015 06:09 PM |
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ThatRedSarah said:
Nice picture! Ostriches are such idiots National bird of Australia by the way (thats me being smart and taking part in the conversation)
...wat?
Ostritches don't live in australia.
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Pawek_13
Supreme Hero
Maths, maths everywhere!
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posted February 24, 2015 06:12 PM |
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ThatRedSarah said:
Nice picture! Ostriches are such idiots National bird of Australia by the way (thats me being smart and taking part in the conversation)
Australian "ostriches" are called "emu".
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