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posted March 08, 2015 11:30 PM |
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Maurice said:
Or it just replaces anything and everything that was lost, based on what is still there. So, the replacement parts, limbs and tissues aren't any younger or older than what was lost - instead, it's of same age.
The problem in visualising how healing works on the battlefield is pretty directly tied in with the stack representation. Damage always happens to one member of the stack, until it dies, then to the next, etc ... until all damage is absorbed by the stack. Damage is never spread out among many or all member of the stack.
Thats how healing spells can be explained in most games.
Yup in essence that how healing spell affects a stack of creatures is just a representation, not how it exactly happens.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted March 09, 2015 11:25 AM |
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GenyaArikado said:
that's your personal preference of what does the "soul of the franchise" mean
In that case is also the personal preference of the people who created Horn of the Abyss, WoG/ERA, VCMI, all these people who would have loved for this beauty to continue, and probably lost all kind of faith in Ubisoft a long time ago already.
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Kenishi
Famous Hero
passed out drunk in Tavern's
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posted March 09, 2015 03:06 PM |
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Edited by Kenishi at 15:13, 09 Mar 2015.
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@War-overlord
@Dies_Irae
Thanks glad to see I'm not alone in this mater I really hope the developers will help us give this request a green light, if not I will ask one of the or both people (which are active on the forum) that are going to the meting to bring it in discussion.
As I said it really sad that there forefathers that were on of the most developed society in ancient time and were the first to create a judiciary system have descended unworthy of there name, I find it really upsetting.
And I'm glade Dies_Irae that you brought that up because from my point of view no mater what revolution a country/state/society goes through It should never disrespect the art and legacy that came before them because the status quo of a society and any social construct is not eternal, at least in my opinion, or as enduring like those statues and art was but they will live through time as proof. Ironically the major way to learn about ancients and there lives is through this creations but in this case we learned from the lack of respect and sanity of mind and how harmful can a twisted doctrine and brain washing really be, and I say this coming from a former communist country that went through decades of persecuting art/speech/poetry etc. that was not in line with the party.
To conclude and not deviate from the thread more I thing it would be a good idea to make my proposal happen and hopefully some kid in the future when looking at it will get curios about it and learn its source about the people that created them the rich history that surrounds it and, unfortunately its destruction and final demise after more that 3000 years of existence.
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OmegaDestroyer
Hero of Order
Fox or Chicken?
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posted March 09, 2015 03:22 PM |
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Has any information been released on the system requirements yet? My rig is pushing 8 years and I doubt it will be be able to run H7.
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The giant has awakened
You drink my blood and drown
Wrath and raving I will not stop
You'll never take me down
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted March 09, 2015 03:28 PM |
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Heroes 7 or not, a 8 years old rig starts to get old. 
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PandaTar
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Celestial Heavens Mascot
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posted March 09, 2015 03:29 PM |
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I remember when I tried playing H5 with an older computer. I couldn't even see my Academy townscreen. And everything was twitching here and there - or was my own head trying to figure out what I was seeing?
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"Okay. Look. We both said a lot of things that you're going to regret. But I think we can put our differences behind us. For science. You monster."
GlaDOS – Portal 2
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Sligneris
Supreme Hero
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posted March 09, 2015 04:00 PM |
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Galaad said:
GenyaArikado said:
that's your personal preference of what does the "soul of the franchise" mean
In that case is also the personal preference of the people who created Horn of the Abyss, WoG/ERA, VCMI, all these people who would have loved for this beauty to continue, and probably lost all kind of faith in Ubisoft a long time ago already.
What is so beautiful about that absurd old universe exactly? Okay, some people feel nostalgic or, should I say, obsessed. But besides the fact that you mention that the previous universe had fans (as if the current one doesn't), on what basis do you speak for all of the fanbase?
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The_Green_Drag
Supreme Hero
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posted March 09, 2015 04:25 PM |
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Sligneris said:
Galaad said:
GenyaArikado said:
that's your personal preference of what does the "soul of the franchise" mean
In that case is also the personal preference of the people who created Horn of the Abyss, WoG/ERA, VCMI, all these people who would have loved for this beauty to continue, and probably lost all kind of faith in Ubisoft a long time ago already.
What is so beautiful about that absurd old universe exactly? Okay, some people feel nostalgic or, should I say, obsessed. But besides the fact that you mention that the previous universe had fans (as if the current one doesn't), on what basis do you speak for all of the fanbase?
Pretty sure H4 had a lot to do with why those kinds of fans don't care about new Heroes material, not just Ashan. And with so many things being brought over from the old games, its just silly to let ashan be the reason why a Heroes fan couldn't enjoy the next installment.
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted March 09, 2015 04:26 PM |
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Edited by Avirosb at 16:27, 09 Mar 2015.
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The_Green_Drag said:
And with so many things being brought over from the old games, its just silly to let ashan be the reason why a Heroes fan couldn't enjoy the next installment.
Personally It has a lot to do with the quality of the writing.
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The_Green_Drag
Supreme Hero
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posted March 09, 2015 04:30 PM |
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Avirosb said:
Personally It has a lot to do with the quality of the writing.
With lore? Story? Probably both. I would agree but I wouldn't say that makes me dislike the gameplay.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted March 09, 2015 04:32 PM |
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The_Green_Drag said:
With lore? Story? Probably both. I would agree but I wouldn't say that makes me dislike the gameplay.
Who said that?
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PandaTar
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Celestial Heavens Mascot
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posted March 09, 2015 04:38 PM |
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I personally prefer older games, mostly because they provide more fun. I played H4 the most, like H2 the most, and think H3 was enjoyable. Even had fun with H5, although something on all those graphics showdown felt amiss - because in games like Heroes, graphics don't compel me to play, or I wouldn't have played H4 whatsoever. Although, it does bother me having copied things from one game to the other, any sort of copied things. Of course, some mechanics carry over, trending the depths of what we usually refer as to 'legacy'; but as far as I can see, this H7 is looking like a jigsaw made of pieces of other games and has nothing added to it, I mean, nothing that REALLY outlines it in a way that you could say, rather proudly: "Now, that's a HEROES game! Wow, look at this!" Can anyone point out anything, ANYTHING, in this game that's worth of mention? Groundbreaking? Rather than personal preference, but something that we concede even when it's not of our liking? I cannot see anything. I see only a bland thing with a name, fancy graphics and lots of room for improvements, improvements that are unlikely ever to happen.
On a side note:
Ashan and the current lore - I couldn't care less. I wouldn't mind if it was the old world, with better writing either. I do not love lore in Heroes franchise nor I'll be ever motivated to play due it.
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"Okay. Look. We both said a lot of things that you're going to regret. But I think we can put our differences behind us. For science. You monster."
GlaDOS – Portal 2
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted March 09, 2015 05:36 PM |
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@PandaTar
whenever someone brings up anything new or cool h7 might be doing i will post this:
because that's just damn awesome
TBH, some sort of "collection" of mechanics is kind of needed right now. the franchise is in bit of a crisis at the moment so making h7 a "best of" might help the franchise as a whole find its identity.
@sligneris
I find Ashan dull compared to the old universe, even if only because it's so stale. overall feel or whatever of the universes is mostly up to personal preference, but the old one had the ability to experiment in ways Ashan isn't even allowed to imagine. i mean forge was an honest thing! just the fact that it was considered is awesome! that would never happen in "magic only" Ashan.
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Sligneris
Supreme Hero
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posted March 09, 2015 05:48 PM |
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kiryu133 said:
whenever someone brings up anything new or cool h7 might be doing i will post this:
because that's just damn awesome
It might look awesome, but I honestly hope that this unit will have some kind of useful role besides being a girl.... 
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PandaTar
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Celestial Heavens Mascot
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posted March 09, 2015 05:48 PM |
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Yeah, pocking my eye, most likely, that sword.
Anyway, that's a fair view. Although, for me, not enough to lend my money to.
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"Okay. Look. We both said a lot of things that you're going to regret. But I think we can put our differences behind us. For science. You monster."
GlaDOS – Portal 2
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The_Green_Drag
Supreme Hero
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posted March 09, 2015 05:49 PM |
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I only play the older games as well. Even H1 a lot recently. But H7 is bringing some new things to the table that look rather interesting. I liked the area of control in h6 so I'm glad to see an improved version of it. I also think flanking will be a decent change that should offer more strategy. Even some little things like upgrading dwellings on the adventure map and picking between two champions are awesome improvements in my opinion.
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted March 09, 2015 05:52 PM |
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PandaTar said:
; but as far as I can see, this H7 is looking like a jigsaw made of pieces of other games and has nothing added to it, I mean, nothing that REALLY outlines it in a way that you could say, rather proudly: "Now, that's a HEROES game! Wow, look at this!" Can anyone point out anything, ANYTHING, in this game that's worth of mention? Groundbreaking? Rather than personal preference, but something that we concede even when it's not of our liking?
Well, I think no other entry in the franchise made so many people realize how ship the fan base is, and it made more people sick just by giving people a voice. The sour taste of stomach acid in my mouth is slowly coming up to yet again torture my aorta and all that precedes it. My eyes bleed in sorrow of all the literal poison they have to watch. Too often throughout this development have I seen voices die of this pollution. I have seen some very respected ones pass away before but now, it is not a sad event, it is a routine. That is ma answer, never did a Heroes game made so many people loose respect to each other, the interest in the community and the games development. And it is not thanks to the game, but thanks to who has been given a voice.
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PandaTar
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Celestial Heavens Mascot
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posted March 09, 2015 05:55 PM |
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So, you think the game would be better if they developed it with less involvement of their target public?
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"Okay. Look. We both said a lot of things that you're going to regret. But I think we can put our differences behind us. For science. You monster."
GlaDOS – Portal 2
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted March 09, 2015 05:56 PM |
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Sligneris said:
It might look awesome, but I honestly hope that this unit will have some kind of useful role besides being a girl....
she does. it just doesn't come out well since no one else is defined by gender which could be fixed by showing their faces and adding one(1) female unit. this is what my problem with haven is.
anyway, she's a big step in the right direction and is the first one of her kind. (h4 had some good examples but they were of traditionally feminine roles like archers)
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted March 09, 2015 06:04 PM |
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PandaTar said:
So, you think the game would be better if they developed it with less involvement of their target public?
Yes and No
No, since the influence and feedback can generaly only help the game, eventhough some factions would be better off whitout it.
And Yes, it would be a much bigger joy to fallow the developement, and easier to disconnect from the poison that has flooded most fansites.
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