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Avirosb
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Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted May 26, 2015 04:10 PM |
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GenyaArikado said:
that's your problem 
Hence personal note, duh
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Dies_Irae
Supreme Hero
with the perfect plan
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posted May 26, 2015 04:26 PM |
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The "Gameplay" tab in the option screen was still a bit empty compared to the others. I wonder if there is also going to be an...option to change hero leveling speed. In a moment of curiosity I decided to set this to 'fastest' in H6. Normally, reaching level 30 in an SP skirmish is virtually impossible. With leveling speed on 'fastest' however, I managed to reach level 26 by the time of the end battle. Also, reputation gained (blood/tears) is increased enormously, things like the Arcane Library give 150 points instead of 25 when leveling speed is set to Normal.
I'm curious...will this feature return?
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Protolisk
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted May 26, 2015 04:36 PM |
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Dies_Irae said:
The "Gameplay" tab in the option screen was still a bit empty compared to the others. I wonder if there is also going to be an...option to change hero leveling speed. In a moment of curiosity I decided to set this to 'fastest' in H6. Normally, reaching level 30 in an SP skirmish is virtually impossible. With leveling speed on 'fastest' however, I managed to reach level 26 by the time of the end battle. Also, reputation gained (blood/tears) is increased enormously, things like the Arcane Library give 150 points instead of 25 when leveling speed is set to Normal.
I'm curious...will this feature return?
With H6, this option was selected when you were making choosing a map. Likely, it will be located there, along with things like AI difficulty and random skills.
Edit: There is a difference.
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Dies_Irae
Supreme Hero
with the perfect plan
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posted May 26, 2015 04:42 PM |
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Protolisk said:
Dies_Irae said:
The "Gameplay" tab in the option screen was still a bit empty compared to the others. I wonder if there is also going to be an...option to change hero leveling speed. In a moment of curiosity I decided to set this to 'fastest' in H6. Normally, reaching level 30 in an SP skirmish is virtually impossible. With leveling speed on 'fastest' however, I managed to reach level 26 by the time of the end battle. Also, reputation gained (blood/tears) is increased enormously, things like the Arcane Library give 150 points instead of 25 when leveling speed is set to Normal.
I'm curious...will this feature return?
With H6, this option was selected when you were making a map. Likely, it will be located there, along with things like AI difficulty and random skills.
That's actually quite likely now that you mention it. It's really hard to distinguish between the 'overall option' screen and the more specific options one can encounter elsewhere, like in the game selection screen.
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EnergyZ
Legendary Hero
President of MM Wiki
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posted May 26, 2015 05:48 PM |
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Dave_Jame said:
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And MOST importantly, people forget that MM is also a SCI-FI as well as fantasy franchise. That's why Forge was introduced in the first place. I admit, devs may have rushed in too much, they should've at least released a couple of units or two, then add as an expansion later. Besides, it does not even have to do with Enroth, you could've visted Xeen or Terra in previous MM games.
*Was: Now it's a pure High fantasy.
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*There are these same factions, at least in Enroth you have Vori, the snow elves, or Contested Lands, where elves and humans live in neutrality.
There are rather a lot of factions and subfactions, the fact you do not know them, or aknoladge them is your problem :-P
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*The plot is just bah, demons trying to break free and all that, while the heroes band together to stop them. While Enroth did have kreegans (who are aliens, by the way, pointing at sci-fi part) that tried to destroy the world, there are also necromancers (who aren't cultists) and overlords of Nighon, who also have interests of their own.
And that is why there are no demons in the last two Might and magic games published :-P
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*Everyone seems to be serving the dragon gods, but have you ever heard of anyone trying to rebel against them? Even orcs can be considered as followers, since Mother Earth can be considered as Sylanna and Father Sky as Ylath.
Oh.. sooooo... what about the several churches in Enroth and the constant war among them? Even in MM7 and 8 Necromancers were connected to the church of the moon.
Neh.. this is just a little trolling.. keep it fun :-P
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About the factions, I was just pointing at neutral ones, rather than subfactions.
As for the religions, these are mostly minor ones that keep to themselves. In Ashan you got everyone that prays to their Dragon Gods. At least the devs *kindly* gave us Ivan, who does not follow the Dragon Gods. You could say the same for wizards, but is told they "worship knowledge".
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GenyaArikado said:
*There are these same factions, at least in Enroth you have Vori, the snow elves, or Contested Lands, where elves and humans live in neutrality.
the free cities?
*The plot is just bah, demons trying to break free and all that, while the heroes band together to stop them.
H6 and 7?
**Some also pointed out H3 campaigns lack some things. I am currently playing them and it sometimes appears (like Kilgor trying to rule Krewlod through bloody conflicts, or Dracon trying to be a Dragon Slayer). I have not played Shadow of Death yet, but I assume it to be deep in plot (like Sandro making alliances). Besides, why am I talking about H3 here, you got H4 as well.
lol
*Everyone seems to be serving the dragon gods, but have you ever heard of anyone trying to rebel against them? Even orcs can be considered as followers, since Mother Earth can be considered as Sylanna and Father Sky as Ylath.
the wizards arent and the void cult are activelly trying to destroy them
*And, as a personal note, I also want to point out how they always try to explain things with lore. Example: Undead exist because Belketh taught necromancy or demons exist because Urgash crafted them out of stone. Sometimes I believe some things are meant to be unexplained, give it a bit of depth and mysteriousness.
that's your problem
1. Yeah, forgot about that. You have a point about Free Cities. Still, could be more.
2. H6 still has the plot about demons. Every campaign you played the final antagonist faction was Inferno, besides Inferno campaign itself. Though I am aware H7 does not (hence why no Inferno in the vanilla).
3. ?
4. Told above your points.
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LizardWarrior
Honorable
Legendary Hero
the reckoning is at hand
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posted May 26, 2015 06:04 PM |
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Though I am aware H7 does not (hence why no Inferno in the vanilla).
Demons killed the empress, fact which starts the civil war
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted May 26, 2015 06:15 PM |
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About the factions, I was just pointing at neutral ones, rather than subfactions.
I think you mix up the meaning of the word Faction and Nation
Vori Btw isn't even one of those. it is an island. whit it's native inhabitants.
Just like Jadame isn't a faction, or a nation, but a sub-continent with several factions on it. (Dark elves of Alavar, Pirate's of Regna)
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As for the religions, these are mostly minor ones that keep to themselves. In Ashan you got everyone that prays to their Dragon Gods. At least the devs *kindly* gave us Ivan, who does not follow the Dragon Gods. You could say the same for wizards, but is told they "worship knowledge".
Just because you don't know any of characters doesn't mean there aren't any. Crag Hack in Ashan is a great example of such a character, he does not care about gods or their will and there are a lot more who don't see any need to worship any good beyond the basic social standard. They say "Praise Asha" in the same way we say "thanks god". But how many of us mean it? And for how many is it just an empty phrase, an expression of a meaning common to our environment?
Looking to deep into things is not the best idea...
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted May 26, 2015 06:21 PM |
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Dave_Jame said:
I think you mix up the meaning of the word Faction and Nation
Vori Btw isn't even one of those. it is an island. whit it's native inhabitants.
no, Vori, like Karigor and Nighon, is both an island and a nation lol
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EnergyZ
Legendary Hero
President of MM Wiki
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posted May 26, 2015 06:26 PM |
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Dave_Jame said:
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As for the religions, these are mostly minor ones that keep to themselves. In Ashan you got everyone that prays to their Dragon Gods. At least the devs *kindly* gave us Ivan, who does not follow the Dragon Gods. You could say the same for wizards, but is told they "worship knowledge".
Just because you don't know any of characters doesn't mean there aren't any. Crag Hack in Ashan is a great example of such a character, he does not care about gods or their will and there are a lot more who don't see any need to worship any good beyond the basic social standard. They say "Praise Asha" in the same way we say "thanks god". But how many of us mean it? And for how many is it just an empty phrase, an expression of a meaning common to our environment?
Looking to deep into things is not the best idea...
Yeah, well, I have not played some MM games or expansions, so I gotta agree with some of your points.
LizardWarrior said:
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Though I am aware H7 does not (hence why no Inferno in the vanilla).
Demons killed the empress, fact which starts the civil war
There. Though I was actually referring to the plot in-game, but have forgotten about that as well... ugh.
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted May 26, 2015 06:27 PM |
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verriker said:
no, Vori, like Karigor and Nighon, is both an island and a nation lol
Is it true? Since there is more then one race there, do they cooperate in such a way to be touhght of as a faction? Vori was only explored in Chronicles, which is a 3DO cash grab I am not willing to touch.
And wasn't Karigor torn between the two rival churches?
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LizardWarrior
Honorable
Legendary Hero
the reckoning is at hand
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posted May 26, 2015 06:40 PM |
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Vori was only explored in Chronicles, which is a 3DO cash grab I am not willing to touch.
But now the big and evil 3do is dead and the money goes to the ever-loving ubi which genuinely cares about the series and its fans and totally didn't do the same thing with the two dlcs for heroes 6  What, don't you wanna give ubi the money they need so much? 
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted May 26, 2015 07:01 PM |
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LizardWarrior said:
But now the big and evil 3do is dead and the money goes to the ever-loving ubi which genuinely cares about the series and its fans and totally didn't do the same thing with the two dlcs for heroes 6 What, don't you wanna give ubi the money they need so much?
Soo.. Ok let us compare.. Btw to layout the field I see 3DO and Ubi as equal when it comes to cash grabing and milking the franchise.
So What did the DLC in H6 give me? A story, some Dynasty useless extras, a Weapon, a Pet, 3 scenario maps, and whit them a for free the patch expanded the core game with an artifact set. maps and a new map building. So even those, who did not buy them got something extra from it. The cost for those who did was 5-10 €.
What chronicles was? an 8 map linear standalone with, that gave nothing to the original game, was priced as high as 20-40 bucks for a single campaign. Nothing more for your future entertainment than those 8 maps you had to play with the same hero, same faction.
Sorry but my calculations say 8 maps for 20 are less then 3 maps, + extra features for my game, for 7.
Heroes chronicles is for me, and forever will be the wrost marketing and cash milking of the Might and Magic brand, until Ubi decides to sell units individually, and I would even rank such a practice lower on that scale, since that actually gives me more then fan made scenario.
People give H6 snow, for good reasons, but it's DlC/expansion policy resulted that people got new features for free without the need of buying them.
You could find any of the new sets without buying the DLC/Expansion, encounter any of the new monsters in 50SoD whitout buying it. So yea, thats that.
I'm not that blinde to Ubi's ship as many would think, but nothing they did to MaM sofar, when it comes to marketing scheams, can even come cloase to what 3DO did with Chronicles
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted May 26, 2015 07:08 PM |
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Dave_Jame said:
Is it true?
Dave_Jame said:
And wasn't Karigor torn between the two rival churches?
it has a capital city so it is a nation lol
Dave_Jame said:
I'm not that blinde to Ubi's ship as many would think, but nothing they did to MaM sofar, when it comes to marketing scheams, can even come cloase to what 3DO did with Chronicles
personally I think the DRM they forced on Heroes 6 is much worse than anything 3DO ever did lol
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LizardWarrior
Honorable
Legendary Hero
the reckoning is at hand
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posted May 26, 2015 07:19 PM |
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I'm not that blinde to Ubi's ship as many would think, but nothing they did to MaM sofar, when it comes to marketing scheams, can even come cloase to what 3DO did with Chronicles
I don't deny that 3do was a total *****, thanks to them we are stuck with ubi now 
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted May 26, 2015 07:27 PM |
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verriker said:
Dave_Jame said:
And wasn't Karigor torn between the two rival churches?
it has a capital city so it is a nation lol
Not nesceserally, A capitol can also be a major city in a region, not only the center of a nation.
verriker said:
personally I think the DRM they forced on Heroes 6 is much worse than anything 3DO ever did lol
If you stand by this opinion, OK. But let me ask you, since DRM are still a rather common practice in the game industry, did ubi do this to MaM, or did they do it to themselves? Uplay and it's in game implementations are not limited to MaM but plague all Ubies games. So even if it is a major issue for many people, who have problems whit it, it is nothing that was directly aimed at the Franchise, Chronicles was. It was a pure, direct and targeted aim to parasite on the brand, squeeze as much cash from it, to somehow fill the black hole 3DO made with its other projects. So yes DrM as it was done in H6 is bad, but not as bad as Chronicles were in my eyes.
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted May 26, 2015 07:34 PM |
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Dave_Jame said:
verriker said:
it has a capital city so it is a nation lol
Not nesceserally, A capitol can also be a major city in a region, not only the center of a nation.
Props for the mental gymnastics in trying to deny the obvious.
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Guide to a Great Heroes Game
The Young Traveler
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LizardWarrior
Honorable
Legendary Hero
the reckoning is at hand
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posted May 26, 2015 07:35 PM |
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verriker said:
it has a capital city so it is a nation lol
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted May 26, 2015 07:37 PM |
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Stevie said:
Props for the mental gymnastics in trying to deny the obvious.
That's what Ashan does to people!
j/k
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted May 26, 2015 07:43 PM |
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3DO being snowtier doesn't excuse Ubisoft being snowty.
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted May 26, 2015 07:44 PM |
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Stevie said:
Props for the mental gymnastics in trying to deny the obvious.
Ok right now I can either come out of this as an idiot or a smartass...
I don't want niether. But Since you provoked.. IF having a capitol makes a region a nation... does that mean that the US is formed of 51 nations? Think about it.
If you call basic understanding of multiple meanings of a word gymnastics then sorry, it's somewhat part of my job/education.
kiryu133 said:
3DO being snowtier doesn't excuse Ubisoft being snowty.
No it doesn't I want them to be treated equaly as bad.
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