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EnergyZ
Legendary Hero
President of MM Wiki
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posted June 10, 2015 10:07 PM |
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icefield said:
@EnergyZ: Lore, of course. Why shouldn't a different, overground, Warlock faction also worship Malassa? Even in Ashan, not everything is set in stone 
Probably because the sun emits too much light for any surface activities. Again, lore, which disables many options.
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted June 10, 2015 10:27 PM |
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Maurice said:
Ok, let's take a look at *the* archetype dragon: Smaug. Where did he have his residence? Right, at the bottom of the Lonely Mountain, sleeping on a pile of gold. If that doesn't scream "cavern" as a preferred habitat, then I don't know what does. And yes, I shamelessly refer to Lord of the Rings, because that's the foundation of most of the modern fantasy stories in the world.
taking residence in a cave and being part of a cavernous ecosystem are two completely different things. Smaug (and the gold-hoarding dragon archetype) are merely sleeping and gathering their treasures in caves. Hunting and living their entire lives in cave-systems were never a part of that. It would be a downright hinderence which is why i find the idea of a flying, large, archetypical western dragon being part of an underground empire (no matter the size of the caverns) to be fairly illogical. Once again, if it lacked or had evolved away from flying i would find that rather interesting but that is hardly the archetypical western dragon that the black dragon is supposed to be.
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Gryphs
Supreme Hero
The Clever Title
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posted June 10, 2015 10:36 PM |
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Edited by Gryphs at 22:37, 10 Jun 2015.
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You could say the same of manticores and harpies. It could be said that they are technically part of the surface ecosystem, but since they still live in caves as protective lair could be part of Dungeon. Honestly though I preferred it when they were the warlocks or the mountain.
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GenyaArikado
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
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posted June 11, 2015 04:16 AM |
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EnergyZ said:
Genyaarikado said:
generally the complaint about Ashan is that the creatures lineups are too rigid and bound to factions unlike the NWC era where they jumped all around.
No (well, not all the times).
The deal is that they sometimes lack originality. Having few legacy creatures is fine, but they get to the point when they just use lore or simply don't have imagination for new stuff.
Just how many people do you know that like lamasu? I, personally, don't think it is good nor bad, but I have yet to hear a person that praises it.
Sometimes it depends on what the faction presents. You know well what happened when spider was revealed. At least they had common sense to make a new creature, simurgh (even if it is a bit glittery).
So if one needs to make a new creature, it has to have some new stuff in it, but needs to make it logical. Personally I'd prefer if they make multi-faction creatures (like dwarf mage, elven knight or demon witch).
Sense. Your post lacks it.
Anyway, i can think of plenty original creatures/reimaginings in Ashan. I cant do that in the old universe, except for the Behemoth, maybe.
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted June 11, 2015 08:12 AM |
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Edited by Avirosb at 08:21, 11 Jun 2015.
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Surely they could travel outside on a whim if they felt like it.
And just because a dragon has wings it doesn't mean its arms and legs are useless. Dragons + caves are a-okay.
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Maurice
Hero of Order
Part of the furniture
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posted June 11, 2015 09:31 AM |
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Steyn said:
Smaug is from The Hobbit Maurice 
And I thought the dragon that lives in a cave on his pile of treasure is older than Tolkien...
Technically correct, but I consider LotR to be the overall "world" of which the Hobbit is only a subsection, like a prequel.
kiryu133 said:
It would be a downright hinderence which is why i find the idea of a flying, large, archetypical western dragon being part of an underground empire (no matter the size of the caverns) to be fairly illogical. Once again, if it lacked or had evolved away from flying i would find that rather interesting but that is hardly the archetypical western dragon that the black dragon is supposed to be.
Well, Dragons do have a long lifespan (although I do not know how long they lived in Antigarach), so evolution might not have gone so fast? In any case, there are plenty of flying creatures even in our own world who take up residence inside caves. Of course, they don't go in very deep, unless you consider creatures like bats.
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted June 11, 2015 12:42 PM |
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It's the fact that they're, to me, presented as being part of a massive underground eco-system and being massive, beasts relying heavily on flying that just irks me. If they were to present them more like This with underdeveloped, useless wings I would quite frankly love it. Winged dragons in caves are fine if it's more like bats: sleeping in caves but going outside for foraging and the like. That's not how i feel they're presented though so and the large, flying beast don't really fiv very very much even if h5 at least tried to make it fit.
Still love H3 dungeon, I'd just like some logic into Creature affiliation.
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted June 11, 2015 01:27 PM |
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Edited by Avirosb at 13:28, 11 Jun 2015.
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The dragons in H3 aren't that big.
Dragons in caverns fit, moreso than towers at any rate.
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Ellderon
Adventuring Hero
Lightbringer
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posted June 11, 2015 03:40 PM |
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kiryu133 said:
I want new takes on old creatures mixed with all-new creatures while keeping a few "must-haves" in each faction (you can't have haven without crusader or knights or rampart without Unicorns). I would also like experimentation with faction culture. Like, say, Viking stronghold or "Mayincaztec" fortress.
That was the case with the old town.
The H2 Sorceress had sprites, dwarves, elves, druids, unicorns, phoenixes.
the H2 was all-human (which is fine by me)
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted June 11, 2015 03:51 PM |
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GenyaArikado said:
Anyway, i can think of plenty original creatures/reimaginings in Ashan. I cant do that in the old universe, except for the Behemoth, maybe.
that's probably just because you know very little about the original universe lol
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Datapack
Famous Hero
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posted June 11, 2015 05:44 PM |
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GenyaArikado said:
original creatures in Ashan
lol
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Avonu
Responsible
Supreme Hero
Embracing light and darkness
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posted June 11, 2015 05:59 PM |
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Edited by Avonu at 18:01, 11 Jun 2015.
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kiryu133 said:
Verriker said:
you do understand the tunnels in Heroes 3 are supposed to be big enough to build entire cities and kingdoms in, right? lol
caverns still. The H3 black dragon is just too big and bulky to be able to thrive in a cavernous environment.
Avirosb said:
The dragons in H3 aren't that big.
While dragons in Nighon are big, the tunnels below are very vast as you can see on pictures above. They won't have much trouble to fly there and hunt for a prey.
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Hotarubi
Known Hero
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posted June 11, 2015 06:34 PM |
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Will this game be playable on Windows 10 once it officially comes out? Has there been word on that?
Also, I'm assuming no word yet on a MAC version?
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Pawek_13
Supreme Hero
Maths, maths everywhere!
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posted June 11, 2015 06:38 PM |
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Hotarubi said:
Will this game be playable on Windows 10 once it officially comes out? Has there been word on that?
Also, I'm assuming no word yet on a MAC version?
Well, Heroes V was playable on XP "only" but it works perfectly fine on Windows 7. I am positive that it will work perfectly fine on Windows 10. Regarding MAC version - no information confirmed.
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Genyaarikado
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
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posted June 11, 2015 06:44 PM |
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verriker said:
GenyaArikado said:
Anyway, i can think of plenty original creatures/reimaginings in Ashan. I cant do that in the old universe, except for the Behemoth, maybe.
that's probably just because you know very little about the original universe lol
Illustrate me then, you little Timed Universal Rearward Destroyer :3
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted June 11, 2015 07:49 PM |
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Genyaarikado said:
Illustrate me then, you little Timed Universal Rearward Destroyer :3
well I happily would but not if you're gonna call me a turd lol
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frostymuaddib
Promising
Supreme Hero
育碧是白痴
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posted June 11, 2015 07:57 PM |
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Genya, why can't you enter a discussion in a civilized way?
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Dies_Irae
Supreme Hero
with the perfect plan
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posted June 11, 2015 08:17 PM |
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted June 11, 2015 08:25 PM |
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Yog without dreads?
that's it. Riot.
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ChrisD1
Supreme Hero
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posted June 11, 2015 08:28 PM |
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Avirosb said:
The dragons in H3 aren't that big.
Dragons in caverns fit, moreso than towers at any rate.
teleporting taintend unicorns being affiliated with the elves (as part of the dark elves' faction) could do well in caves too but everyone back then nagged about it -.-
pffff
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