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Pawek_13
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posted June 26, 2015 01:42 PM |
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ThatRedSarah said:
Kinda like a moose or a bear or Liam Neeson 
This is such a great joke! 
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Wellplay
Famous Hero
Poland Stronk
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posted June 26, 2015 01:44 PM |
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Pawek_13 said:
ThatRedSarah said:
Kinda like a moose or a bear or Liam Neeson
This is such a great joke!
It became his job now.
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AnkVaati
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Nighonese National Front
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posted June 26, 2015 01:50 PM |
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Edited by AnkVaati at 13:54, 26 Jun 2015.
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ChrisD1 said:
If you think that the game suffers a worse fate than ending in heroes 4,then so be it.
NWC didn't go down because of HoMM IV. The game actually sold quite well, even if it wasn't as popular as HoMM III. Hadn't it been rushed and released in a largely unfinished state thanks to 3DO, it could have been even better.
No, NWC died because of Trip Hawkins' stupid decisions and priorities. You can read more here. JVC should never have sold his company to 3DO.
Ubi bought the game because HoMM III is the chess of turn-based fantasy strategy games and they knew they could milk money out of it for a long time to come. They are no Messiahs. Myself, my negativism towards plagiarizing WC/WoW aside, I'd even argue that the franchise would have been better off sold to Blizzard. Those guys started off like nerds in a cellar just like NWC and know what being creative means, unlike Ubisoft which is run by business people who know a lot about making money but nothing about art.
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Dave_Jame
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Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted June 26, 2015 01:55 PM |
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AnkVaati said:
Even though Oliver Ledroit's design obviously do differ from Blizzard's a little, you can't deny that the concept was plagiarized from WC/WoW. Ubi-wan couldn't resist the temptation to once again smash a traditional theme-based HoMM town and replace its content with a race imported from generic fantasy series.
If you really want to play the Copy-cat train who copied from who, I would like you to take a look at the nagas from The legend of the five rings :-)
@Avirosb
Both in WC and MaM games nagas have different colors of their skin. ;-)
verriker said:
NWC actually hired masters like Larry Elmore and Boris Vallejo to define the art style of their games, instead of just cloning the latest trends of younger franchises lol
So they hired the trend-setters to make their game look like the popular things from 1980s in order to sell them to people who gruw up on them? Well isn't that original :-P. But I'm just joking i love their art
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ChrisD1
Supreme Hero
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posted June 26, 2015 02:04 PM |
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AnkVaati said:
ChrisD1 said:
If you think that the game suffers a worse fate than ending in heroes 4,then so be it.
NWC didn't go down because of HoMM IV. The game actually sold quite well, even if it wasn't as popular as HoMM III. Hadn't it been rushed and released in a largely unfinished state thanks to 3DO, it could have been even better.
No, NWC died because of Trip Hawkins' stupid decisions and priorities. You can read more here. JVC should never have sold his company to 3DO.
Ubi bought the game because HoMM III is the chess of turn-based fantasy strategy games and they knew they could milk money out of it for a long time to come. They are no Messiahs. Myself, my negativism towards plagiarizing WC/WoW aside, I'd even argue that it would have been better of sold to Blizzard. Those guys started of like nerds in a cellar just like NWC and know what being creative means, unlike Ubisoft which is run by business people who know a lot about making money but nothing about art.
You are again proving my point. Why does it have to be black or white?????? I never said ubi is a messiah,nor i'm an ubi fanboy/spin doctor. No! I'm just acknowledging that it's not all so bad as you guys keep saying,but not all so good either. I'm still deeply pained by that rigid skillwheel and those abominable heroes' specializations. And the fact that you had to pay to find bugs for them is so infuriating that i literally want to bang my head on the walls!!! They are te worst on that part. Yet they are the only ones who bought the franchise... Even of the reason is money. Today's everything.
Too bad WoW was such a hit and most things are inspired by it,and too bad that it still sells.
But come on,nitpicking such trivial stuff about portraits or make up, or I dunno why,is getting ridiculous(no I 'm not saying you 're ridiculous)!!!!
And while you or anyone criticizes the blade dancer's smile,or shoes,or eyelids or smth faint in the backround of anything ubisoft makes(or copies), there are a zillion glaring stuff like that in the old universe!! But the old universe gets a pass just because. Praise nwc,praise ubisoft, and condemn both when needed. Because both have pros and cons like er' thing in this life. That's just all I'm saying. A little balance,open mind and keeping it cool. Am i saying smth that paranoid?
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verriker
Honorable
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We don't need another 'eroes
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posted June 26, 2015 02:05 PM |
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Dave_Jame said:
So they hired the trend-setters to make their game look like the popular things from 1980s in order to sell them to people who gruw up on them? Well isn't that original :-P. But I'm just joking i love their art
it may not necessarily be original, but unlike what Ubi has done it's not illegal and/or unethical lol
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fuChris
Promising
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Master to the Speed of Light
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posted June 26, 2015 02:06 PM |
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Dave_Jame said:
verriker said:
NWC actually hired masters like Larry Elmore and Boris Vallejo to define the art style of their games, instead of just cloning the latest trends of younger franchises lol
So they hired the trend-setters to make their game look like the popular things from 1980s in order to sell them to people who gruw up on them? Well isn't that original :-P. But I'm just joking i love their art
I don't see Ubi hiring any Marvel or DC artists.
Maybe if the Wardancer looked more like the Hulk and the Skeleton like the Ironman H7 would sell more copies. 
I still think that the problem is that the series lost it's connection to the fairytale-like graphics. H5 kindof still went that way despite the obvious WH inspiration but H6 just dropped the ball and went Erwan-style.
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Dave_Jame
Promising
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I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted June 26, 2015 02:10 PM |
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verriker said:
Dave_Jame said:
So they hired the trend-setters to make their game look like the popular things from 1980s in order to sell them to people who gruw up on them? Well isn't that original :-P. But I'm just joking i love their art
it may not necessarily be original, but unlike what Ubi has done it's not illegal and/or unethical lol
You mean like Blizzard direcly stealing the art style from Games workshop, then trying to sell them back, and when they refused to greenlight the project, publish it anyway? Damne it I'm so glad no other publisher does this.. except all those that do.. right :-D
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dark-whisperer
Famous Hero
Darkness feels no mercy
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posted June 26, 2015 02:11 PM |
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So what? Cover art of M&M was beautiful.
That same art would be shred to pieces by you and your friend if it was published by UBI now. I just cant quietly read page after page of total nonsense how bladedancer has strange smile or druid has white dress and how that is unacceptable by standards of few constant naysayers.
I know that devs have enough experience so they can ignore such unimportant posts but I have difficulties to navigate through sea of nonsense and troll post to find anything useful here anymore.
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GenyaArikado
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
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posted June 26, 2015 02:12 PM |
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Lmao at NWC ripoffs being called "tasteful" and "having an unique artstyle". The mental gymnastics of supporting that stuff and hating Ashan are olympic level lol.
verriker said:
Dave_Jame said:
So they hired the trend-setters to make their game look like the popular things from 1980s in order to sell them to people who gruw up on them? Well isn't that original :-P. But I'm just joking i love their art
it may not necessarily be original, but unlike what Ubi has done it's not illegal and/or unethical lol
it wasnt illegal then now it it (beholders lol)
Avirosb said:
Dave_Jame said:
Now seriously. Apart them beeing hlaf snakes what do they ave in common?
The males looking more like monsters than the females + blueish tint + buff bod.
GenyaArikado said:
Yeah. People also forget that the mythological male naga looked like a snowing hydra.
Gosh, nagas. What a hydra ripoff 
Damn, you really cant even understand a picture if its too big, do you? That sexual disphormism comes from mythology itself, not WC. The mythological male naga looks like an hydra (like the image elvin posted below, the statues of Sar-Elam are inspired by Budha statues which decipt him protected by the Naga King). Since most of fantasy games already have hydras generally the male naga is kept serpent like but with only one head and the female one is kept looking more human. The bluish tint is because we generally associate blue to the ocean lol
And even then Ashan has 3 types of nagas lol
Elvin said:
Comparing the classic H3 naga queen and the H6 kensei I am more in favour of the former. It was cold, intimidating and had an awesome butchering sound as all 6 swords tore their enemies apart. That said I was very satisfied with the gameplay reinvention of the naga as a unit that takes the heat to save its comrandes and gets progressively more damaging when attacking the same opponent. The challenge concept was cool.
I always loved Naga queens. I hppe for a female kensei if they bring back Sanctuary
verriker said:
Avirosb said:
The males looking more like monsters than the females + blueish tint + buff bod.
the out of left field transformation of them into a main race and association with water are other factors too I think, like the Erwin Necropolis just very blatantly "inspired" by Warcraft overall lol
they lived underwater/ground in myths lol
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted June 26, 2015 02:12 PM |
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ThatRedSarah said:
Pawek_13 said:
I've never imagined that deers can be such agressive animals. 
Yeah deers can be pretty fierce when the safety of their fawns is in question :/ Normally they are nice and calm forest dwellers like any other, but if you threaten their family they become very protective. Kinda like a moose or a bear or Liam Neeson
Behold!
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted June 26, 2015 02:17 PM |
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Dave_Jame said:
You mean like Blizzard direcly stealing the art style from Games workshop, then trying to sell them back, and when they refused to greenlight the project, publish it anyway? Damne it I'm so glad no other publisher does this.. except all those that do.. right :-D
uh I don't really give a crap if Blizzard got away with it though, I am not speaking in favour of them, I am not a fan of their series lol
dark-whisperer said:
That same art would be shred to pieces by you and your friend if it was published by UBI now. I just cant quietly read page after page of total nonsense how bladedancer has strange smile or druid has white dress and how that is unacceptable by standards of few constant naysayers.
nonsense not at all, I would never shred Might and Magic to pieces for hiring a master artist from Dungeons and Dragons, honestly I would be delighted if Ubi did that because after all the vision of Might and Magic from the start was a Dungeons and Dragons clone with a twist lol
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted June 26, 2015 02:27 PM |
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GenyaArikado said:
Lmao at NWC ripoffs being called "tasteful" and "having an unique artstyle".
Comparably, yes.
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it wasnt illegal then now it it (beholders lol)
Which was used again in H4. Did they ever get sued?
Or could it be they had a deal with WotC?
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Damn, you really cant even understand a picture if its too big, do you?
Do you have more than just that image to base all this on?
I'm not saying people can't be inspired by a picture but even the ancient artists took their liberties you know.
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted June 26, 2015 02:29 PM |
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verriker said:
nonsense not at all, I would never shred Might and Magic to pieces for hiring a master artist from Dungeons and Dragons, honestly I would be delighted if Ubi did that because after all the vision of Might and Magic from the start was a Dungeons and Dragons clone with a twist lol
Can I catch you by a word here. You wouldn't mind a master artist fro D&D? But you dislike a Master comicbook Artist? And what is wrong with other artists? Would you dislike something like this:
Jan Patrik Krásný? (He does DnD aswell btw)
Or you are OK with the game beeing a D&D knockoff but beeing a knockoff of anything else is bad?
Isin't that a bit too personal?
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GenyaArikado
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
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posted June 26, 2015 02:34 PM |
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Avirosb said:
GenyaArikado said:
Lmao at NWC ripoffs being called "tasteful" and "having an unique artstyle".
Comparably, yes.
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it wasnt illegal then now it it (beholders lol)
Which was used again in H4. Did they ever get sued?
Or could it be they had a deal with WotC?
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Damn, you really cant even understand a picture if its too big, do you?
Do you have more than just that image to base all this on?
I'm not saying people can't be inspired by a picture but even the ancient artists took their liberties you know.
1. lmao
2. They couldnt name the "shadow stalkers" beholders in H6.
3. And thats why we have 3 naga races :3
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted June 26, 2015 02:35 PM |
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inb4 "actually it's about ethics in copyright infringement"
seriously though, NWC hired a guy who had done stuff they liked to help them create similarly cool stuff? isn't that just standard practice?
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Sleeping_Sun
Promising
Famous Hero
Townscreen Architect
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posted June 26, 2015 02:38 PM |
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Oh boy, here we go again...
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted June 26, 2015 02:41 PM |
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GenyaArikado said:
2. They couldnt name the "shadow stalkers" beholders in H6.
Couldn't or wouldn't? Is there a C&D floating around on the internet somewhere?
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3. And thats why we have 3 naga races :3
I don't like liberties in HoMM.
If anything that was more of a M&M thing.
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Wellplay
Famous Hero
Poland Stronk
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posted June 26, 2015 02:41 PM |
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Sleeping_Sun said:
Oh boy, here we go again...
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Pawek_13
Supreme Hero
Maths, maths everywhere!
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posted June 26, 2015 02:47 PM |
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This MEGA THREAD is pages long: 
