|
|
Darkem
Known Hero
|
posted November 02, 2014 01:55 PM |
|
Edited by Darkem at 13:58, 02 Nov 2014.
|
@alcibiades
That's just weird... Everything is clearly stated on the website. It even has RED font and special background color. Read, people, read  !
Anyway, I wish people stop voting against an option and vote FOR one instead.
|
|
Kurush
Known Hero
|
|
posted November 02, 2014 02:03 PM |
|
|
@ Lokheit
It's a Superhero who mutated when someone stabbed a White Dragon and injected him with the dragon's blood
|
|
Steyn
Supreme Hero
|
|
posted November 02, 2014 02:17 PM |
|
|
The way I imagine the Strider/Soulless now is as an animated suit of armour. IMO this definitely fits better with necro, but at least it has sufficient darkness connections to be tolerable in dungeon. The only thing I am afraid of is that with Minotaurs in dungeon, the Strider as a second walker becomes redundant. Oh, and that it will wield a sword...
I would prefer something like this:
|
|
Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
|
|
posted November 02, 2014 02:22 PM |
|
|
Kimarous said:
Blade dropped a percent and Shield gained one! 29/46/25 at this point - we're gaining! 
31/44/25 right now... 1000 faces' advantage is slowly bleeding
____________
|
|
Lokheit
Known Hero
|
|
posted November 02, 2014 02:24 PM |
|
|
Steyn said:
The way I imagine the Strider/Soulless now is as an animated suit of armour. IMO this definitely fits better with necro, but at least it has sufficient darkness connections to be tolerable in dungeon. The only thing I am afraid of is that with Minotaurs in dungeon, the Strider as a second walker becomes redundant. Oh, and that it will wield a sword...
I would prefer something like this:
It's described as a debuffer. The fact that they're specifically stated to be mae of shadowsteel makes me think it will be hard to take down, not very damaging, but with the debuffs it will be an inconvenience for your opponent. Minotaurs doesn't soak retaliation damage so this one probably will be the best one for that.
I imagine them either as some sort of hollow armor with a dark aura or as robo arachnid/scorpion (Dark Eldar constructs style).
I hope they're still consiered sentient creature to differentiate them from Academy.
|
|
Pawek_13
Supreme Hero
Maths, maths everywhere!
|
|
posted November 02, 2014 02:32 PM |
|
|
Lokheit said:
The one on the top of my head right now that I hope is changed is the Deer unit where the upgrade isn't the unit becoming stronger or getting better equipment but instead one of these scenarios:
- They get a sex change operation/magical spell.
- Every time you upgrade them you kill a female and recruit a male.
It makes zero sense, upgraded units were always supposed to be the same guys acquiring more experience and skills. The way that unit works, changing from female to male instead of getting stronger, makes no sense with what upgrades are supposed to be.
I think that problem is nearly as old as Heroes franchise. Even in third iteration unupgraded Djinn was female and their upgrades were male. As long as there are no official artworks, however, there is still time for reflection and changing does for calves is still possible.
|
|
Stormcaller
Famous Hero
|
|
posted November 02, 2014 02:39 PM |
|
|
Hm, can shield really overpower blade? It jumped up 5%, but i wonder if 4 days shall be enough....
____________
What makes a King? Some say it is a birthright, while others call it a destiny.
|
|
Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
|
|
posted November 02, 2014 02:42 PM |
|
|
31-43-26
I'm calling it cheats.
|
|
DarkLord
Supreme Hero
Fear me..
|
|
posted November 02, 2014 02:42 PM |
|
Edited by DarkLord at 14:59, 02 Nov 2014.
|
creature-wise
1st line up
Heroes3 -3(lurker/minotaur/dragon)
Heroes4 -4(minotaur/nightmare/dragon/hydra)
Heroes5 -5(assassin/fury/minotaur/dragon/hydra)
Heroes6 -5(assassin/lurker/minotaur/faceless/dragon)
2d line up
Heroes3 -4(troglodyte/minotaur/medusa/dragon)
Heroes4 -4(minotaur/medusa/dragon/hydra)
Heroes5 -4(assassin/minotaur/dragon/hydra)
Heroes6 -4(assassin/stalker/minotaur/dragon)
3d line up
Heroes3 -5(lurker/troglodyte/minotaur/manticore/dragon)
Heroes4 -2(dragon/hydra)
Heroes5 -3(minotaur/dragon/hydra)
Heroes6 -5(lurker/stalker/minotaur/manticore/dragon)
and if we exclude dragon, hydra and minotaur
which are represented in every line up, then
1st line up
H3 -1 / H4 -1 / H5 -2 / H6 -3
2d line up
H3 -2 / H4 -1 / H5 -1 / H6 -2
3d line up
H3 -3 / H4 -0 / H5 -0 / H6 -3
so 1st line-up is more Ashan-like
2-d is more less mixed
while 3-d is more classical old dungeon
|
|
Lokheit
Known Hero
|
|
posted November 02, 2014 02:45 PM |
|
|
Pawek_13 said:
Lokheit said:
The one on the top of my head right now that I hope is changed is the Deer unit where the upgrade isn't the unit becoming stronger or getting better equipment but instead one of these scenarios:
- They get a sex change operation/magical spell.
- Every time you upgrade them you kill a female and recruit a male.
It makes zero sense, upgraded units were always supposed to be the same guys acquiring more experience and skills. The way that unit works, changing from female to male instead of getting stronger, makes no sense with what upgrades are supposed to be.
I think that problem is nearly as old as Heroes franchise. Even in third iteration unupgraded Djinn was female and their upgrades were male. As long as there are no official artworks, however, there is still time for reflection and changing does for calves is still possible.
While the Djinn sex change also felt really weird, at least in that case you could always think that they were a representation of a population of Djinns to swallow that pill.
In the Deer case, it's specifically stated that females have night powers and males have sun powers, so every night one is a female and when you make the upgrade you change the sex of all of them (and also the power set). That's what makes me feel it's not right.
I truly hope they change the lore of that creature even if they like the "oh poor creatures, they can only mate during specific hours" fluff. Which also makes no sense as you will be using them at any time of the day and if a sun deer can fight at night (and moon does at day) I'm sure they can mate too as it takes less energy than fighting. Everything about these creatures feels completly wrong.
|
|
supertommy
Known Hero
|
|
posted November 02, 2014 02:56 PM |
|
|
Darkem said:
@alcibiades
That's just weird... Everything is clearly stated on the website. It even has RED font and special background color. Read, people, read !
Anyway, I wish people stop voting against an option and vote FOR one instead.
Some people are happy with either Shield and Faces, but not Blade. Therefore it's a tactic to vote getting rid of Blade.
|
|
Raelag84
Famous Hero
|
|
posted November 02, 2014 03:01 PM |
|
|
supertommy said:
Darkem said:
@alcibiades
That's just weird... Everything is clearly stated on the website. It even has RED font and special background color. Read, people, read !
Anyway, I wish people stop voting against an option and vote FOR one instead.
Some people are happy with either Shield and Faces, but not Blade. Therefore it's a tactic to vote getting rid of Blade.
Just to warn you guys, there may be some people out there who want to get rid of shield with a similar tactic.
|
|
DarkLord
Supreme Hero
Fear me..
|
|
posted November 02, 2014 03:06 PM |
|
|
i think this vote can not generate much harm to be honest!
situation is different from sylvan vote
people tend to dislike 1st blade line up
but even if it wins i personally wouldn't mind it
however i prefer the 3d shield option
|
|
supertommy
Known Hero
|
|
posted November 02, 2014 03:07 PM |
|
|
Raelag84 said:
Just to warn you guys, there may be some people out there who want to get rid of shield with a similar tactic.
Definitely. It's a dangerous game, but some like living on the edge. 
|
|
Buki
Hired Hero
|
|
posted November 02, 2014 03:22 PM |
|
|
This was really hard choice for me. I think all options are good, and I´m impressed seeing hydra in all 3 lineups !
I wanted to vote for The Blade, I think it has the best strategy - hydra in front lines, tanking enemy walkers and draining life of all enemies thanks to multi attack, with minotaurs and nightmares helping hydras, while other units are killing enemy from distance (shooters, strike&return). But what turned me off was the Faceless in Elite tier... I would like to see them in the Champion tier instead of Dragons (make them neutrals for once..)
Malassa Face ... I think medusas should stay in Sanctuary. It depends on the visuals, if they show artworks, and medusa will look good, and soulles is not just a academy golem copy, I will give a vote to this one. But for now, I am afraid there would bee too much humanoids with this line-up (5-6 !)...
...so for now my vote is on The Shield, there is a good amount of creatures, and thats what Dungeon should be like. And I really loved beholders in H6
____________
|
|
Stormcaller
Famous Hero
|
|
posted November 02, 2014 03:23 PM |
|
|
____________
What makes a King? Some say it is a birthright, while others call it a destiny.
|
|
DarkLord
Supreme Hero
Fear me..
|
|
posted November 02, 2014 03:34 PM |
|
Edited by DarkLord at 15:38, 02 Nov 2014.
|
just my thoughts..
Why vote Blade from Shadows?
Core-
it has assassins, the best dark elf unit imho with invisibility and backstab
it has beholders aka lurkers
Elite-
nightmares, which is amazing creature
and faceless, one of few ashan units that people actually liked
Why not to vote for Blade from Shadows?
Core-
Darkblade aka Blood Fury, didnt like them in Heroes5, just a harpy replacement, and this line up already has strike and return unit which is Faceless
Elite-
the teleport ability for Nightmares, which is questionable, i'd prefer if they kept "fear"
Why vote for 1000 Faces?
Core-
Assassins are present
Troglodyte with burrowing ability
Elite-
return of Medusa!! but do they have turn to stone ability or no??? that's important question!
Why not to vote for 1000 Faces?
Core-
Stalkers, i d much prefer to have Beholders as a shooter unit instead
Troglodyte, the fact that i like them is only because of nostalgia, however when i remember them in H3 dungeon they were quite useless and unimaginable , i d call them "peasant of the dungeon"
Elite-
Medusa in case there is no turn to stone ability, need further clarification on that!
Soulless aka dark golem, have no idea how this unit will look like and which abilities will have
Why vote Shield of Darkness?
Core-
Beholder aka Lurkers and Troglodytes are in line up
Elite-
Manticores!!! love that unit! a must in dungeon
Why not to vote Shield of Darkness?
Core-
Stalker, which is second shooter in core
Troglodyte in case burrowing doesnt make it up for being "boring" creature
Elite-
Golems.. shadowdarkunkownsteel ones
so in general i prefer Shield as it has more units that i like and less that i dislike
also its closest to classical Dungeon version which i prefer over dark elf ashan which was in Heroes5
|
|
Minion
Legendary Hero
|
|
posted November 02, 2014 03:35 PM |
|
Edited by Minion at 15:42, 02 Nov 2014.
|
The blade option has the Faceless in which is the redeeming aspect of the line-up (Nightmare fits Dungeon as well as in Inferno btw, it is a horse of darkness and fire.) . But since Sylvan has already been voted to act like "blade" there isn't much point in making another faction work the same. That style definitely would have fit the Dark Elves more since they are a small nation and hence couldn't wage war like other factions.
____________
"These friends probably started using condoms after having produced the most optimum amount of offsprings. Kudos to them for showing at least some restraint" - Tsar-ivor
|
|
JeremiahEmo
Bad-mannered
Famous Hero
|
|
posted November 02, 2014 04:07 PM |
|
|
Galaad said:
Elvin said:
I'd have a hard time imagining a blade dancer going face to face with a kensei to be honest..
Haha !
That's again I guess the problem with this new tier system. IIRC from H6, Kensei would correspond to tier 6, while I would expect Blade dancer to be tier 4.
I hope we will see more difference between units strength within tiers in MMH7.
That's the problem with Ashan. Even Dungeon's Matriarchs are higher tier than Hydras. Like, wtf?
|
|
War-overlord
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
|
|
posted November 02, 2014 04:29 PM |
|
|
RMZ1989 said:
alcibiades said:
Versatility for one thing? An unarmed human may not be a match for an unarmed naga, but put the human on a horse with a lance, and things might turn the other way. And now in H7 we even get super-human Swordbearers who I guess can take down any of the other races in 1:1 match-up, so ... 
If Human needs a Horse to be able to beat Naga 1 on 1, than you are just proving their point, he is inferior.
No, I agree with RMZ here. Humans need all manner of shenanigans to make up for their inherant weakness and not be outright slaughtered by others.
And Humans are no more versatile then other Elder races. There isn't anything that Humans can do, that other Elder races cannot, whereas there are many things other Elder races can do, that Humans cannot.
And as for your Superhuman point about the Landsknecht, there is that, but this is about outliers and numbers. Your indication of them as Superhumans is already an argument in itself, since them being Superhuman already indicates that they are superior to Humans.
But the description of them (Kaspar's comments to be precise) is clear enough on this. Some are born with more divinity than others. These are outlier cases, favored by the Gods. Humans being that much more numerous than other Elder races are bound to have more of them, simply by their numbers. With a greater sample, you get more outlier case.
@ Stormcaller:
Where does it say that Human Tech is better? Or more specifically better than Elf or Naga tech, weapons etc.?
But back to my original point, it is very clear that the Elder races were not created equal. Therefore the notion that Faceless not being on par with Angels is somehow contradictory with the lore, is simply wrong.
____________
Vote El Presidente! Or Else!
|
| |
|
|
This thread is pages long: 
