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leiah2
Known Hero
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posted November 16, 2014 02:48 AM |
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Actually I think JeremiahEmo's lineup is really good, though I'm not sure you could call the Skirmishers Gnolls 
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Darkem
Known Hero
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posted November 16, 2014 11:25 AM |
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Edited by Darkem at 11:25, 16 Nov 2014.
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Jeremiah, good lineup! I really like! If I could change one thing it would be Shaman. Why not make him Goblin? Goblin shaman? Goblins are extremely important for Stronghold and I cannot imagine this town without them.
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Maurice
Hero of Order
Part of the furniture
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posted November 16, 2014 12:21 PM |
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jeremiahemo said:
However, the ones that were presented by the devs were a reaction to what the fans want.
They destroyed their lore just to cater to what fans want.
That's an assumption.
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Protolisk
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted November 16, 2014 06:15 PM |
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jeremiahemo said:
Maurice said:
jeremiahemo said:
No voting please. Dungeon was destroyed by the voting. Lineups presented by the devs has been generally better so far.
I don't see how, considering all we could vote on were - you guessed it - lineups presented by the devs. All we could do was select which of the three presented ones we preferred.
you're right. However, the ones that were presented by the devs were a reaction to what the fans want.
They destroyed their lore just to cater to what fans want.
Humor me. What lore was destroyed with the successful voted-in options?
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MattII
Legendary Hero
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posted November 16, 2014 07:14 PM |
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Edited by MattII at 19:16, 16 Nov 2014.
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Darkem said:
Jeremiah, good lineup! I really like! If I could change one thing it would be Shaman. Why not make him Goblin? Goblin shaman? Goblins are extremely important for Stronghold and I cannot imagine this town without them.
The problem there is putting Goblins in Elite, the things are just too flimsy, you'd need to give them almost Champion levels of damage to even things up.
The unit I'm having most trouble with here is the Rougarou/Lycanthrope, I'm okay with a shape-shifter (wolf form=high speed, orc form=high defence), but a hybrid wolf-man type form just doesn't seem right to me.
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GenyaArikado
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
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posted November 17, 2014 03:24 AM |
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Orc warrior
H6 centaur
Harpy
Other kind of orc warrior
Some sort of beast
Some sort of shaman. Id prefer the H5 one but w.e.
Cyclops
Behemot
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Steyn
Supreme Hero
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posted November 17, 2014 09:28 AM |
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Maybe the cyclops can be a warfare unit (flinging boulders at castle walls), so it's place in the champion tier comes free for the behemoth. This way the ashan version of the cyclops can still be incorporated without too much overlap with the behemoth.
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted November 17, 2014 10:53 AM |
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CORE
Gnoll/Gnoll captain
offensive, kinda slow melee walker armed with a morning star and daze on attack. upgrade gains mostly more damage and some defense as well as a commanding presence. support/damage dealer.
Goblin/Hobgoblin
reasonably fast shooter throwing rocks. upgrade throws javelins. large range penalty. upgrade get a bit of extra armor and a large boost to damage and attack. flees if attacked in melee. damage dealer.
Harpy/Harpy hag
very fast melee flyers with strike and return. upgrade gets no enemy retaliation and extra speed. very frail. damage dealer.
ELITE
Mauler/Slayer
fast melee orcs armed designed too rush in and attack anything. get bonuses when attacking and upgrade gains a bonus against large creatures and champions. damage dealer.
Centaur/Heavy Centaur
Very fast melee walkers armed with crude halberds. upgrade gains a lot of defense and a bit of attack as well as an aura of bravery. tank.
Cyclop/bloodied Cyclop
Slow, large monsters that hurl boulders upon the enemy. high health and attack, gets a bonus against small creatures. can shoot and damage walls. upgrade gains no melee penalty, area ranged attack and a lot of extra damage. saboteur.
CHAMPION
Behemoth/Ancient Behemoth
average speed and defense, high health and massive damage. ignores 20% of enemy armor. upgrade gets stronger and ignores 80% of enemy armor. damage dealer.
Roc/Thunderbird
Very fast flyer with good attack and damage but below average defense and health. upgrade deals automatic air damage to any enemy who starts their turn next to it and has a chance of summoning a lightning bolt when attacking. damage dealer/disruptor.
don't think it will happen (i just know shamans will return and cyclopes will be champions ). but i can dream
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LucPatenaude
Famous Hero
Owning all 7 Heroes games
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posted November 17, 2014 05:21 PM |
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Too many creatures of your line-up that are sentient to another world...
...called Erathia. The world of Ashan do not have these creatures:
Behemoth
Harpy
Gnoll
Plus, the only reason that the Roc/Thunderbird is returning in the line-up of the Wizards(BTW) is that along the timeline of Ashan, that experiment went awfully wrong and, got themselves extinguished(extinct). The cause was all about the atmosphere of Ashan did not "Jive" with their constitution.
The Gnoll has been an experiment of the Wizards that could only co-exist in the very rare environments of the Swamps of Ashan. Where all the other natural slithering creatures can survive, also. Same reason as to why the Nagas could no longer survive on this ever evolving world of Ashan.
Behemoths and Harpies are simply, not of this world, sorry.
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Maurice
Hero of Order
Part of the furniture
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posted November 17, 2014 05:50 PM |
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LucPatenaude said:
...called Erathia. The world of Ashan do not have these creatures:
Behemoth
Harpy
Gnoll
Plus, the only reason that the Roc/Thunderbird is returning in the line-up of the Wizards(BTW) is that along the timeline of Ashan, that experiment went awfully wrong and, got themselves extinguished(extinct). The cause was all about the atmosphere of Ashan did not "Jive" with their constitution.
The Gnoll has been an experiment of the Wizards that could only co-exist in the very rare environments of the Swamps of Ashan. Where all the other natural slithering creatures can survive, also. Same reason as to why the Nagas could no longer survive on this ever evolving world of Ashan.
Behemoths and Harpies are simply, not of this world, sorry.
I don't know what versions of the game you've been playing, but the Harpy has been in the Stronghold lineup in both Heroes5 and Heroes6  .
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Steyn
Supreme Hero
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posted November 17, 2014 05:59 PM |
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted November 17, 2014 06:03 PM |
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LucPatenaude said:
Too many creatures of your line-up that are sentient to another world... ...called Erathia.
lol there's no world called Erathia pal, lol
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Maurice
Hero of Order
Part of the furniture
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posted November 17, 2014 07:30 PM |
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Steyn said:
Uhm, not in H5 stronghold 
Lol, I stand corrected. I seriously thought to remember it ... I am getting old .
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LucPatenaude
Famous Hero
Owning all 7 Heroes games
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posted November 17, 2014 08:06 PM |
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Oops...I meant Enroth. Erathia surface and Sheogh as the underworld.
verriker said:
LucPatenaude said:
Too many creatures of your line-up that are sentient to another world... ...called Erathia.
lol there's no world called Erathia pal, lol
Are you telling me that, MMH2 and MMH3 happened on Enroth the whole time? I guess that these two titles are getting way too old for me to remember it all properly.
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Darkem
Known Hero
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posted November 17, 2014 08:11 PM |
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@kiryu133
Good lineup! We don't need more than 1 Orc in the army  .
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Protolisk
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted November 17, 2014 09:43 PM |
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LucPatenaude said:
verriker said:
LucPatenaude said:
Too many creatures of your line-up that are sentient to another world... ...called Erathia.
lol there's no world called Erathia pal, lol
Are you telling me that, MMH2 and MMH3 happened on Enroth the whole time? I guess that these two titles are getting way too old for me to remember it all properly.
If I remember correctly, Enroth and Erathia are two continents. They are located on Antagarich, I believe.
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted November 17, 2014 10:00 PM |
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no you're both wrong, sorry lol
the world is called Enroth, its H1 and H2 continent is also Enroth, which also has a kingdom named Enroth
the H3 continent is Antagarich, and a kingdom in Antagarich is Erathia
so the world of Erathia it's like saying the world of England lol
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Protolisk
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted November 18, 2014 12:16 AM |
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verriker said:
no you're both wrong, sorry lol
the world is called Enroth, its H1 and H2 continent is also Enroth, which also has a kingdom named Enroth
the H3 continent is Antagarich, and a kingdom in Antagarich is Erathia
so the world of Erathia it's like saying the world of England lol
Yeah, you are right, shows how well my foggy memory serves me.
Still, the real point is, the Harpy and Gnoll do exist on Ashan, though the Behemoth so far hasn't been talked about "in universe" to my knowledge. Gnolls are in Duel of Champions, which as far as I can tell is canon, and Harpies were in H6, so...
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LucPatenaude
Famous Hero
Owning all 7 Heroes games
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posted November 23, 2014 08:42 AM |
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To tell you, both, that I did not hear the name of Antagarich...
...often enough to have, truly, remembered it.
I always thought that Antagarich was some kind of mythical and very ancient realm.
So...It means that by the end of the existence of that world within the expansion of 'Shadow of Death', the survivors used some sort of an interstellar vortex like Dimensional Door way to the world of Axeoth. Axeoth would be the world where Heroes 4 initially started from, right? Pretty much like the Eternian self proclaimed masters of the universe get to use to travel from one world to another.
Well, anyway, I am glad that things got cleared up, finally.
BTW: Is it true that, Ashan is so far away from both of these, above mentioned, worlds; that this world's initial lore and stories are purely made up, entirely, from first scratch of one's story-telling creators? I personally think that it is so.
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jeremiahemo
Bad-mannered
Famous Hero
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posted November 23, 2014 11:00 AM |
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"Jeremiah, good lineup!"
Jee, thanks guys. The best part of that lineup is the gameplay. There are a lot of them that mix and match.
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