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Galaad
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posted November 25, 2014 12:44 PM |
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Edited by Galaad at 13:30, 25 Nov 2014.
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Maurice said:
Why are you repulsed by the laser beam from his eye? The Cyclops in H1 and H2 had a laser beam attack as well. It was absent in H3 and H4, that's true, but once again introduced as such in H5 and H6.
That is just a personal preference, I can't associate it with the creature maybe I am too closed-minded.
I guess I just love this kind 
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Protolisk
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posted November 25, 2014 03:52 PM |
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Steyn said:
I too support the idea of making cyclopses warfare units.
I wouldn't like the behemoth to kick the cyclops out, but if it is retained in the form of warfare unit then I will be celebrating the return of the behemoth with you guys
Making the behemoth a form of cyclops is also fine with me, but I think lots of old fans will be very disappointed when that happens.
Concerning your line-up: isn't the gnoll a mauler-equivalent?
My suggestion would be to put the centaur in core, freeing a spot in elite for an H5 slayer-like orc.
The line-up would then become:
Core:
Mauler-equivalent Centaur
Gnoll (= Mauler-equivalent)
Harpy
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Shaman (H5 preferred)
Basilisk rider
Centaur Orc/Ogre (as seen in this picture)
Champion:
Behemoth
Wyvern
In my case, the Gnoll was a Goblin Replacement, as a weaker ranged unit. I actually want an orc, not an ogre, and thus kept the Mauler in. However, your idea is pretty good, and the more I think on it, the more I like the idea of the Centaur being core too. It'd make Gnolls, Harpies and Centaurs, all beastmen, under the ranks of the Shaman and Orc brute (could be "ogre", but with no true "mauler", could just be Slayer equivalent from H5, or indeed the "ogre" in your picture) showing that although the Wizards could make replacements for Orcs, they were never as good as the original blend of human meat and demon spices. It'd also show off that the Rakshasa is the only beastman that could go toe to toe with Orcs, which is why the Wizards treated them so well.
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War-overlord
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posted November 25, 2014 03:58 PM |
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The Ogre in Steyn's picture is, in fact, an Orc. An Orc Warmonger to be precise, the prestige-class of the Orc Barbarian in M&MX.
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posted November 25, 2014 04:09 PM |
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War-overlord said:
The Ogre in Steyn's picture is, in fact, an Orc. An Orc Warmonger to be precise, the prestige-class of the Orc Barbarian in M&MX.
I was pretty sure it wasn't, which is why I put it in quotes when I was saying I liked it. I didn't know the real name, so thank you for that!
I guess one of these days I should play that game.
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MattII
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posted November 25, 2014 07:57 PM |
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Edited by MattII at 20:00, 25 Nov 2014.
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Maurice said:
Why are you repulsed by the laser beam from his eye? The Cyclops in H1 and H2 had a laser beam attack as well. It was absent in H3 and H4, that's true, but once again introduced as such in H5 and H6.
Because this is a game based off mythology, not X-men? Seriously, where is the justification for this ability, because I can't remember ever coming across it in any other fantasy literature, albeit I haven't really looked for it in particular.
Avirosb said:
Trolls are the superior rock throwers.
Only for their size, but cyclopses are bigger.
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verriker
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posted November 25, 2014 08:12 PM |
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MattII said:
Because this is a game based off mythology, not X-men? Seriously, where is the justification for this ability, because I can't remember ever coming across it in any other fantasy literature, albeit I haven't really looked for it in particular.
perhaps the justification for the Cyclops laser eye borrowed from the X-Men is that it was fun
once upon a time we had MM games which were made with fun in mind and fun to play hue hue hue
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MattII
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posted November 25, 2014 08:49 PM |
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Edited by MattII at 20:56, 25 Nov 2014.
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Throwing rocks makes much more sense (and is equally unique), and is no less fun. Laser eyes is something that works best (though IMO still not particularly well) on some sort of golem.
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Maurice
Hero of Order
Part of the furniture
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posted November 25, 2014 11:03 PM |
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While I agree that there's no mythological equivalent that uses laser beams, the fact is that it has been used in 4 of the 6 Heroes of Might and Magic games so far (even though I think to remember that in H1 and H2, it was a point-blank attack, not ranged - but as a tradeoff, it could hit 2 squares like a breath attack). I can't speak for the Might & Magic series, as I never played those.
Anyway, I wouldn't miss it if they're only able to throw rocks.
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RMZ1989
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posted November 26, 2014 12:42 AM |
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Edited by RMZ1989 at 00:43, 26 Nov 2014.
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Maurice said:
While I agree that there's no mythological equivalent that uses laser beams, the fact is that it has been used in 4 of the 6 Heroes of Might and Magic games so far (even though I think to remember that in H1 and H2, it was a point-blank attack, not ranged - but as a tradeoff, it could hit 2 squares like a breath attack). I can't speak for the Might & Magic series, as I never played those.
Anyway, I wouldn't miss it if they're only able to throw rocks.
It was only ranged in H6 though, in H1, H2 and H5 it was as you said melee attack. I also favor Cyclops to be huge beasts that use hands, clubs or throw rocks. I am not a fan of that laser beam.
Favorite Cyclops was H5 by far, it was the largest creature on the Battlefield, which made him really terrifying, it was one of the toughest T7 creatures to take down, with enormous damage, both upgrades could attack multiple targets(through laser beam breath-like attack or with crushing blow hitting multiple squares), they could throw and eat Goblins which was super awesome and they looked great.
H6 Cyclops looked like a... giant red Frogs, really, that design isn't bad for something else, but it doesn't fit Cyclops at all in my opinion and I hope that new design is at least closer to H5.
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Pawek_13
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posted November 26, 2014 07:02 AM |
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RMZ1989 said:
It was only ranged in H6 though, in H1, H2 and H5 it was as you said melee attack.
RMZ1989 said:
they could throw and eat Goblins which was super awesome and they looked great.
Although I agree that goblin throwing was a good and sensible ability, it was still a ranged attack. Furthermore, it was easy to use (there were always tons of goblins in one's army), however, much weaker than standard, melee attack. Therefore I would call Heroes V cyclops semi-ranged units.
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RMZ1989
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posted November 26, 2014 11:37 AM |
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Pawek_13 said:
RMZ1989 said:
It was only ranged in H6 though, in H1, H2 and H5 it was as you said melee attack.
RMZ1989 said:
they could throw and eat Goblins which was super awesome and they looked great.
Although I agree that goblin throwing was a good and sensible ability, it was still a ranged attack. Furthermore, it was easy to use (there were always tons of goblins in one's army), however, much weaker than standard, melee attack. Therefore I would call Heroes V cyclops semi-ranged units.
Yes, but we were talking about laser beam, it was ranged only in H6.
I really liked Goblin throwing, especially because it was (a lot) weaker than his normal attack. It didn't turn Cyclops into Titans, it was there to make Cyclops do something if he couldn't get to the enemy units fast, or if he would get into uncomfortable position by charging in.
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posted November 26, 2014 01:49 PM |
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I was never a big fan of laser cyclops - to my eyes, it just doesn't fit them.
They do make for awesome rock throwers though. H4 Cyclops are so much fun 
PS: I wouldn't mind seeing Trolls backs though, they had their charm in H2
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted November 26, 2014 03:18 PM |
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Storm-Giant said:
PS: I wouldn't mind seeing Trolls backs though, they had their charm in H2
+1
However, Trolls are a good candidate for Fortress IMO
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War-overlord
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posted November 26, 2014 03:31 PM |
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Galaad said:
Storm-Giant said:
PS: I wouldn't mind seeing Trolls backs though, they had their charm in H2
+1
However, Trolls are a good candidate for Fortress IMO
I agree with both of you. Trolls could fit both Stronghold and Fortress, though it whould wholly depend on background lore of the creature.
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posted November 26, 2014 03:37 PM |
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MattII said:
Seriously, where is the justification for this ability, because I can't remember ever coming across it in any other fantasy literature, albeit I haven't really looked for it in particular.
The eye. In H3 they handed over the torch to the Evil Eye.
MattII said:
Only for their size, but cyclopses are bigger.
But trolls are more connected to rock, mythologically.
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kiryu133
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Highly illogical
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posted November 26, 2014 05:18 PM |
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as long as they skip the shamans i'm game.
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GenyaArikado
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Supreme Hero
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posted November 26, 2014 05:33 PM |
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cyclops are connected to throwing rocks too. They did after Oddyseus escaped in his ship
but Heroes is based in pop culture deciption of mythology, not mythology proper. So its ok to have eye laserbeams
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Avonu
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posted November 26, 2014 05:39 PM |
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Avirosb said:
But trolls are more connected to rock, mythologically.
By turning into stones when sunlight shine on them? 
Well, at least Trolls are known to eats Dwarves, so they should return. 
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posted November 26, 2014 05:50 PM |
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Avonu said:
Well, at least Trolls are known to eats Dwarves, so they should return.
And Hobbits Halflings to the rescue - oh nevermind 
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MattII
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posted November 26, 2014 08:33 PM |
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Avirosb said:
The eye. In H3 they handed over the torch to the Evil Eye.
Which was a creature of D&D, not mythology.
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But trolls are more connected to rock, mythologically.
But Cyclopses are more well known for rock throwing.
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