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Zenofex
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posted November 17, 2014 03:00 PM |
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Reading comprehension. Apply generously.
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markkur
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posted November 17, 2014 03:09 PM |
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Well, for the exercise. Because my opinions are based of glimpses.
1. Vietnam...for quality of the common folk.
2. Switzerland...{economical choice}because border culture and influence of French, German and Italian are also a part of the mix there, or was in 85.
3. Ireland...for music and community
4. Norway...best realized notion of Government
5. Israel...for importance of family
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posted November 17, 2014 03:10 PM |
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USA, JAPAN, GERMANY are no brainers since if we don't pick them were backtracking science far too much.
But some parts of usa bring along a lot of cultural retardation, japan too so that'd have to be balanced out somehow. I quess you'd need a country like SWEDEN/Netherlands/Belgium or something for that. Then it's up to what you want for the last one.
With usa you've pretty much gotten all kinds of people already too. So no need to take an african or asian country just for that. Of course genetically japanese are a really snowty choice to take on the trip but usa and sweden balance that out quite well already.
Don't really need a fourth one, won't really gain any value from one more either.
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posted November 17, 2014 03:17 PM |
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Zenofex said:
Reading comprehension. Apply generously.
Right back at you. Or don't you find it odd that you're the single one making a fuss out of it when all the rest got the idea and offered valid responses? Thread addresses national/a population's values, not individual values, so your reasoning is totally besides the point.
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Salamandre
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posted November 17, 2014 03:25 PM |
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I think Zeno's and partially Noob's are the only possible intelligent answers. Picking individuals because some hypothetical blood ties with their nation characteristics is weird and irrelevant; also bringing culture on a escape doomsday mission is absurd.
You could just ask what nations we prefer for their global achievements.
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artu
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posted November 17, 2014 03:28 PM |
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Edited by artu at 15:31, 17 Nov 2014.
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Zenofex said:
If I have to save people based on national stereotypes, the mission is doomed by default. "US for their technology", right, why not "US for their culture of ignorant hamburger-devourers"? Or... "Japan for their pedo-cartoons". And so forth, including everyone's country (don't be offended, you know that the vast majority of your fellow countrymen are hardly an advertisement for humanity in space). In short, if I have to save 5 potential idiots without any other distinctive characteristics to pick from except their nation of birth, I'll probably blow the ship apart after it launches to save them from their inevitable but slower death.
Just to make it clear, you are not taking only 5 individuals, you are indeed taking the cultural heritage and enough people to represent them as a society. The people are in the equation because not just pieces of information are getting transferred but the way of life, mannerisms, memes and all the insignificant daily nuances of a culture.
I know that nation is a constructed concept inevitably based on overgeneralizations but the modelization is not totally dysfunctional in such a questionnaire. No need to get too intellectual about it, think of it as a little game.
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posted November 17, 2014 03:29 PM |
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Salamandre said:
I think Zeno's and partially Noob's are the only possible intelligent answers. Picking individuals because some hypothetical blood ties with their nation characteristics is weird and irrelevant; also bringing culture on a escape doomsday mission is absurd.
You could just ask what nations we prefer for their global achievements.
I just picked the top 5 contributors in history.
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Salamandre
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posted November 17, 2014 03:37 PM |
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Well, then for me is:
Greeks
Arabs
Romans
Chinese
Germans
yeah I know, is platitudinous.
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posted November 17, 2014 03:49 PM |
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blizzardboy said:
Salamandre said:
I think Zeno's and partially Noob's are the only possible intelligent answers. Picking individuals because some hypothetical blood ties with their nation characteristics is weird and irrelevant; also bringing culture on a escape doomsday mission is absurd.
You could just ask what nations we prefer for their global achievements.
I just picked the top 5 contributors in history.
This is a foolhardy approach. You're building a new society from what they are today. Not from what they were. There's also the big problem with what were the values that caused them to survive and contribute to history such as they did. Most of them(not all mind you, authoritarianism can be very handy with limited resources) are pretty directly agains the values you'd need(or want, as in my case) in a new society. Chinese lack of respect for all human life? No thanks. Indian tribablistic values? No thanks.
I went for what would give the best quality of life for the people in the new society. They won't have any competition from neighbouring countries(unless aliens attack, omg!) so the only issues will be internal issues within the community. There's two ways to go about this, homogenice the whole population or force them to learn how to work together. The tech trio already breaks apart the homogenous population so tolerance becomes important for a successfull nation.
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posted November 17, 2014 03:53 PM |
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For such survival mission, three things will be paramount, and nation will probably be in 356'th place:
Health quality
Special training, to survive in space
Sexual orientation
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posted November 17, 2014 03:56 PM |
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Oh good point there, the more gays you have(upto a certain point anyway), the more likely you are to have a successfull mission because it naturally limits overpopulation, meaning less population control measures.
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posted November 17, 2014 04:22 PM |
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artu
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posted November 17, 2014 04:28 PM |
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Sshhhh. Lay low and you'll survive this, Sal.
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posted November 17, 2014 04:44 PM |
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Did you just promise immortality? 
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posted November 17, 2014 04:52 PM |
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Well, I can always use a pianist in the throne room until I engineer my own mini-me.
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posted November 17, 2014 05:23 PM |
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Quote:
I just picked the top 5 contributors in history.
Lol, I just picked the 5 countries with a significant amount of Magyar minorities, this way I preserve fundementally the Magyar culture, but also those of our sister nations as well. The reason why population size matters is that in my theory is that the more concentration of a nationality type helps preserve their culture as opposed to integration, this can be clearly seen with the muslim presence in France and Britain for example. On a less national scale Magyars in concentration form their own sub culture, for example in Crawley the four major minority groups are Magyars, blacks, muslims and Indians.
So I'm hoping that the fact that there's a large Magyar population in all those countries would mean that their Magyar identity is largely intact.
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posted November 17, 2014 06:53 PM |
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My thinking was similar to Joonas': the first two countries that sprang to mind were Germany and Japan. Both are highly technological nations with superb work ethics. Both have also suffered from greatness and almost total destruction and history like that helps to shape a strong mentality. Then I started thinking who could be useful in the art department and I thought of UK for its musical history. Then I got stuck. The best I could think of was some Eastern country with a deep-rooted Zen philosophy to improve the harmony in the new settlement.
On a side note I was somewhat disappointed that there was very little mention of Jews/Israelis so far. I'm banned from picking them, but I would if I could and not at all for sentimental reasons. Jews may very well be the oldest nation on the planet, still connected to its roots. They are experts at survival and adaptation and Israel is known as the land of start-ups because Jews produced some of the more ingenious inventions and ideas. They would be perfect for the settlement of a new world.
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artu
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posted November 17, 2014 07:16 PM |
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Well, maybe as a very young state you need some "history that helps to shape a strong mentality" also, your reputation in the last 50 years hasn't exactly been a shining star. On the other hand, looking at the girls, I wouldn't object.
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posted November 17, 2014 07:19 PM |
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You said nations, and the Jewish nation has been around longer than most.
I see your point about the reputation though.
And if you want to take a nation based on its girls, I'd suggest Ukraine.
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posted November 17, 2014 07:23 PM |
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There was this article on a tabloid newspaper about how hot Ukrainian girls are and how there is a city there with a 78 percent female population. For like ten seconds or something, I actually thought about going.
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