|
|
fred79
Disgraceful
Undefeatable Hero
|
posted November 19, 2014 05:59 PM |
|
|
artu said:
I think that's because the Western eye unintentionally evaluates them based on how they treat strangers and tourists which is, like many Eastern traditions very hospitable.
who doesn't evaluate a culture based on how it treats others? i would say, how that culture treats those around it, is an important part of selecting whether that culture is worthwhile, or not. i don't think that's necessarily because i'm part of a western culture.
|
|
artu
Promising
Undefeatable Hero
My BS sensor is tingling again
|
|
posted November 19, 2014 06:05 PM |
|
Edited by artu at 18:08, 19 Nov 2014.
|
What I mean is, they usually skip the part about how they treat their own people, especially if those people are considered low-class. There are still around 60 million people in India who has no official ID, who eat and dump on the street. It's not about your culture, it's about your position, hence your perspective.
____________
Are you pretty? This is my occasion. - Ghost
|
|
fred79
Disgraceful
Undefeatable Hero
|
|
posted November 19, 2014 06:49 PM |
|
|
/off-topic: if 60 million of any culture were in that position, i'd think that people would take issue with that. apparently not, in india(i don't know). if that kind of thing happened in the states, there would be bedlam, for sure.
or maybe not. maybe, as long as those 60 million had their iphones, all would be ok. 
|
|
Neraus
Promising
Legendary Hero
Pain relief cream seller
|
|
posted November 19, 2014 06:50 PM |
|
|
I was going to write one, but then I realized how I couldn't figure out anything that could be better than where I live.
Also, all my candidates were contributors during the Ancient Age and the Middle Ages, ignoring completely what happened after that.
So, in this thankfully hypothetical scenario I would give command to the other guy and face death with my kinsmen.
____________
Noli offendere Patriam Agathae quia ultrix iniuriarum est.
ANTUDO
|
|
artu
Promising
Undefeatable Hero
My BS sensor is tingling again
|
|
posted November 19, 2014 06:59 PM |
|
|
@fred
Well, they are around 60 million among 1.2 billion.
|
|
fred79
Disgraceful
Undefeatable Hero
|
|
posted November 19, 2014 07:13 PM |
|
|
@ artu:
/off-topic: that's still a lot of people to be living in a substandard manner. they could have at least formed a civil(or not) movement by now, and made their voices heard/took on the "moral" majority. one would think so, anyway.
|
|
artu
Promising
Undefeatable Hero
My BS sensor is tingling again
|
|
posted November 19, 2014 07:21 PM |
|
|
Yes, I know. I gave it as an example of a bad thing. I'm sure they have people who are trying to change it, the caste of untouchables is illegal, at least on paper since 1950's if I remember correctly but hundred years of social tradition dies hard.
____________
Are you pretty? This is my occasion. - Ghost
|
|
fred79
Disgraceful
Undefeatable Hero
|
|
posted November 19, 2014 07:24 PM |
|
|
|
Baklava
Honorable
Legendary Hero
Mostly harmless
|
|
posted November 19, 2014 09:52 PM |
|
|
Quote:
Nice one. But with both Japan and Russia, this rule kind of blew on you, didn't it? Especially, if we take into account that while India is not imperialistic in an international sense, considering its size and population, the social cast system can be accepted as a micro-imperialism within itself.
We're taking a limited amount of people (an equal amount from every nation), and all nations chosen would coexist and be forced to cooperate and mingle a whole lot. As I said, all this, coupled with the era of social change for India that started back with Gandhi, leaves no reason to believe the caste system would hold up, especially taking into account its worst bits still exist simply because some areas of India are too remote and too hard to enforce anti-caste laws in, which wouldn't be the case here. At the very least, the Indians wouldn't take any untouchables with them.
Of all the powers with imperialist traditions I chose those which I feel are unlikely to attempt this kind of world domination or forcible leadership position (at least successfully) there - but that's not enough, since if that was the only factor, I'd take the French or the Spanish instead of the Russians; I needed to factor relative usefulness into it as well. Hence, in this particular lineup, I took the Russians and the Japanese. The Japs have developed a social and economic system which is highly unlikely to regress toward authoritarianism and imperialism, and Russia was always excellent defensively, but hard to move towards direct interventionism. Even in its most aggressive days, it either failed in its operations (due in great part to the lack of motivation of its people to, well, conquer things; Finland, Afghanistan) or simply supported a particular faction from afar (Cuba, Korea).
|
|
OhforfSake
Promising
Legendary Hero
Initiate
|
|
posted November 19, 2014 09:56 PM |
|
|
Baklava said:
would coexist and be forced to cooperate and mingle a whole lot
Sounds a lot like junior school to me!
____________
Living time backwards
|
|
Baklava
Honorable
Legendary Hero
Mostly harmless
|
|
posted November 19, 2014 10:15 PM |
|
|
Hey.
You lost all credibility in this discussion when you actually proposed to send Yugoslavians to space.
____________
"Let me tell you what the blues
is. When you ain't got no
money,
you got the blues."
Howlin Wolf
|
|
OhforfSake
Promising
Legendary Hero
Initiate
|
|
posted November 19, 2014 10:45 PM |
|
|
It was either that or Yemen, what were I supposed to do?
I mean, I don't know anything about that place.
____________
Living time backwards
|
|
blizzardboy
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Nerf Herder
|
|
posted November 20, 2014 07:25 AM |
|
|
baklava said:
No legacy of conflict... imperialistic tendencies... superior attitude...
Russia
India
Japan
South Africa
Peanut.
Okay, I also stuck India on my spaceship, but that's just because I was power gaming and not caring about peace.
____________
"Folks, I don't trust children. They're here to replace us."
|
|
Baklava
Honorable
Legendary Hero
Mostly harmless
|
|
posted November 20, 2014 01:28 PM |
|
Edited by Baklava at 13:32, 20 Nov 2014.
|
No history of conflict with each other. No history of conflict at all would reduce my choices to...
Actually, I have no idea what it would reduce them to. Andorra, perhaps? Fiji?
South Africa, as a part of the Commonwealth, was as outwardly imperialist as Canada. And we can't bash it for their policies toward non-whites any more than any other colonial nation. Well, alright, we can, since the South African apartheid lasted a few decades longer than the one in the US, for instance, but we're bringing the legacy of Mandela's ideas into that ship. Well, that and the legacy of survival in tough conditions with scarce food and rampant diseases. To put it very explicitly, I'm not picking them for their white people.
You're just jelly because I had no intention of taking both the Russians and you guys and I picked the Russians cause the Americans would constantly give everyone crap about some freedom or the other. It could very well work with either the US or the Russkies in this team composition, but I believe that the US would basically have an easier time getting into a leadership position (and I'm trying to avoid leadership positions) while being less cost-effective militarily and less used to harsh living conditions. Besides, the Russkies, like I sad, never had much of an imperialist attitude among its own people - even less than you guys. This is because their leaders were as bad toward them as they were to anything they conquer. This was always a great deterrent for expansionist support among the people.
I'll make you a deal. I go with the Russians here, and with you guys in case of a zombie apocalypse. Fair enough?
____________
"Let me tell you what the blues
is. When you ain't got no
money,
you got the blues."
Howlin Wolf
|
|
kipshasz
Undefeatable Hero
Elvin's Darkside
|
|
posted November 20, 2014 01:44 PM |
|
|
The Ivan and the japs had been at each other's throats. back in ol 1904-05.
____________
"Kip is the Gavin McInnes of HC" - Salamandre
"Ashan to the Trashcan", "I got PTSD from H7. " - LizardWarrior
|
|
Baklava
Honorable
Legendary Hero
Mostly harmless
|
|
posted November 20, 2014 01:59 PM |
|
|
So were the Russkies and India back in British colonial days. Tables have turned. There were even talks of the Russians selling a piece of land to the Japs in case it gets too nuclear on the isles.
The front between the Japs and Russians sat through WW2. If the Soviet Union and Imperial Japan were able to work out a deal, I have no fears of them going to war in any foreseeable future.
____________
"Let me tell you what the blues
is. When you ain't got no
money,
you got the blues."
Howlin Wolf
|
|
blizzardboy
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Nerf Herder
|
|
posted November 20, 2014 09:49 PM |
|
|
FYI, Russia loves America so much that they gave us the useless, frozen... oil-rich wastelands of Alaska for $7.2 million dollars. I think even the natives got a slightly better deal with their cases of whiskey. We would do great together once we're actually neighbors instead of being kept apart by oceans and continents.
____________
"Folks, I don't trust children. They're here to replace us."
|
|
xerox
Promising
Undefeatable Hero
|
|
posted November 20, 2014 10:02 PM |
|
|
1. USA
2. United Kingdom
3. Canada
4. New Zealand
5. Australia
the rest haven't really contributed much to humanity tbh
|
|
fred79
Disgraceful
Undefeatable Hero
|
|
posted November 20, 2014 10:17 PM |
|
|
|
that's a lot of white people, xerox. are you trying to tell us something?
|
|
xerox
Promising
Undefeatable Hero
|
|
posted November 20, 2014 11:28 PM |
|
|
plenty of non-whites in the US and I sure love Mexican food
that being said, the achievements of people in cultures with a non-white majority aren't exactly staggering, though I doubt that has anything to do with ethnicity
|
|
|
|
This thread is pages long: 
