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Mediczero
Famous Hero
Warlord of the sea
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posted August 16, 2016 09:56 PM |
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NOO!! NO MORE DOGS!! YOU ALREADY GOT TWO! 
Also, a small idea. Have you considered creating a few original heroes as well? I would love seeing a fortress or dungeon hero based of the myth of Fafnir...
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Minastir
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted August 17, 2016 05:16 PM |
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Edited by Minastir at 17:18, 17 Aug 2016.
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Mediczero said:
NOO!! NO MORE DOGS!! YOU ALREADY GOT TWO!
Also, a small idea. Have you considered creating a few original heroes as well? I would love seeing a fortress or dungeon hero based of the myth of Fafnir...
Articun was joking  There was a lot of felines so now a lot of dogs then hamsters and rabbits 
 So recently, I said that we are thinking about changing the Baloth in Sylvan for smth else, because most people didn't really liked this creature but we can't really decide what to replace it with. So we would like to ask you guys for help  We have 4 options and let's vote which one is the best
1. Baloth - Keep it in the line-up (info on the first page).
2. Faerie Dragon - Smaller, weaker version of the HIII Dragon. Casts random offensive magic spells, up to five per battle. Con: There is already a Dragon.
3. Owlbear - Because there is already a Werebear in Fortress the owlbear would be tier 4 in Sylvan, making Warden tier 5 with the Unicorn. Con: Could be too similar to Werebear.
4. Forest Defender (the name can be different) - A creature like boar was requested for Sylvan, regular version of boar is already in Stronghold so it would have to be bigger and somewhat looking like in this concept art, so it wouldn't feel too similar. Con: Too similar to Stronghold version of boar rider.
 If nobody votes then we will decide on our own and if there would be a tie then we will vote also (one vote from both of us).
oh and the voting time ? idk couple of days ? depends if people would be voting
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted August 17, 2016 07:13 PM |
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I'm all for Faerie dragons 
but do try and differentiate it sufficiently from the dragon. small, quick, insect wings and different colour should be enough
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Articun
Supreme Hero
As i dream, so shall it be!
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posted August 17, 2016 07:24 PM |
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kiryu133 said:
I'm all for Faerie dragons
but do try and differentiate it sufficiently from the dragon. small, quick, insect wings and different colour should be enough
That is the idea 
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Mediczero
Famous Hero
Warlord of the sea
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posted August 17, 2016 08:10 PM |
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Well I'm all for either the owlbear or the fairy dragon. though to help set it appart from the other dragons, maybe name it something like fairy drake (with the mindset drakes are weaker relatives to the dragons)
Also, if you don't mind, I would love to try my hands in drawing my concepts for one of your lineups. You know, fanart-ish. Traditional drawings though.
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Ereinion156
Adventuring Hero
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posted August 17, 2016 08:46 PM |
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I would either keep the Baloth or take the boarlike animal. Forrestdefender you named it.
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Articun
Supreme Hero
As i dream, so shall it be!
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posted August 18, 2016 12:53 PM |
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Stronghold has been updated with the Gnoll in place of Werejaguar.
We still expect to see your votes regarding the new beast in sylvan as well
Soon there will be another vote, asking you which new content you will like to see
Finally, Mediczero, you can surely create any fanart you want and post it here  If we use it in any way though, remains to be seen. All hype and contributions by all of you is of course very welcome!
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Mediczero
Famous Hero
Warlord of the sea
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posted August 18, 2016 02:16 PM |
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Articun said:
Finally, Mediczero, you can surely create any fanart you want and post it here If we use it in any way though, remains to be seen. All hype and contributions by all of you is of course very welcome!
Hmm, great! Now to pick which one...
Who am I kidding, I'm picking Sanctuary!
BTW, have you had any thoughts about Hero classes? I would love to include a hero as well. For Sanctuary I could imaging it being tidecaller, as a magic class anyway.
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Articun
Supreme Hero
As i dream, so shall it be!
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posted August 18, 2016 02:24 PM |
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Though i need to talk more with Minastir on the matter, the idea for this project is not to have a fixed history. Personally, i imagine the campaign more like people sitting together around a campfire in the night, each sharing a different story for a different era and time. Thus, the freedom for each player to create is infinite. We give a basic idea of each faction and its religion so that there is some sort of coherency, but if you want to create a personal hero for Inolin, i guess you can do so.
There is nothing official yet for hero classes and so on. But we might work on it. That doesn't mean that if we decide to name the Heroes X & Y class that you cannot create a hero that is class Z and use it in a fanfiction story based in Inolin though
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Mediczero
Famous Hero
Warlord of the sea
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posted August 18, 2016 02:39 PM |
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Actually, I like that. It creates freedom to shape ones own legend. I would love to see an actual game based of this. Though if you would you might would like to do something to set it appart from the Heroes games to avoid lawsuit and stuff. Just something realtively minor like having the heroes on the battlefield or something. Though this topic belongs in another time.
Anyway, I understand. Well I suppose I just draw a mermaid mage along the troops. Also, I'de asume the sanctuary takes a slight inspiration from far eastern cultures, about as much as the Rampart townscreen is japanese.
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Minastir
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted August 19, 2016 03:34 PM |
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Mediczero said:
Anyway, I understand. Well I suppose I just draw a mermaid mage along the troops. Also, I'de asume the sanctuary takes a slight inspiration from far eastern cultures, about as much as the Rampart townscreen is japanese.
Well, this time Sanctuary doesn't really have inspirations from eastern cultures, so I wouldn't portray it like that and also because other faction will have this kind of theme but if you wish to include some elements like that, it's ok
PS: So far faerie dragon is winning, you can still vote guys
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Mediczero
Famous Hero
Warlord of the sea
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posted August 19, 2016 03:50 PM |
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Minastir said:
Well, this time Sanctuary doesn't really have inspirations from eastern cultures, so I wouldn't portray it like that and also because other faction will have this kind of theme but if you wish to include some elements like that, it's ok
Well it was mostly grounded in your use of several japanese creatures. Though I would asume polynesian culture would fit better.
Though I've thought about something. The kappa feels a little odd in this oceanbased sanctuary. Why not a fishman/ichthian? I know it's not based in anything other than general fantasy, but from an esthetic point of view it adds to the faction.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted August 20, 2016 01:59 AM |
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I vote for Owlbear, I also vote for scrapping the Green Drag and put Faerie instead.
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alexine
Known Hero
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posted August 20, 2016 02:26 AM |
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I have been watching this thread time to time and I must say you did a wonderful work on these lineups ! Itīs nice to see reduced amount of humanoids in factions like Sylvan, Dungeon, Fortress, as they became much more interesting and unique. Some factions could however still use small improvements as few of the units look too similiar. I will share my thoughts on the factions one by one :
Castle : Wolves and Griffins are both iconic creature and it would be great to see them both at once in the line up. Lion riders are a great addition and along with horsemen I think its enough creatures for this faction. Alicanto, although a very interesting creature with original ability, I think it would stand better as a neutral creature. Maybe you didnīt find a better picture, but they look too similiar to grifins. The human army is well rounded, you included all important and iconic skills of the human fighters, but I think it would be a better solution to upgrade Archers into Master Archers with the AoE skill from H5. Crossbowman could be left as an additional neutral, or a unit for different faction.
Inferno : One of my favourites. Although at first I thought there is too many humanoids, but then I realized they are always in the "chooseable" tiers. So not that bad. Maybe they could use another creature, but it is a very solid line up and the abilities are really nice !
Sanctuary : Water faction was really missing in heroes games and this could be a nice addition. I really like the overall theme, but Kappas look way too evil (May be just the picture ) All of these sea creatures look good but it would be interesting to see them fighting on a sand terrain (wouldnt they run out of water fast ?)
Stronghold : Hands down the best faction along with Bastion, perfect ratio of melee : shooter : flying units as well as humanoids : creatures. Abilities are fitting as well, not much to add here.
Bastion : A swamp city full of evil creatures. Probably my favourite faction design wise ! (yeah strange) Again I donīt have a problem with any of these creatures, all look interesting and fun to play with, but it wouldnīt be bad to add Wyverns into the mix, as it was one of the more iconic H3 fortress creatures and they could use one more flyier. But w/e, 10/10.
Sylvan : I have never been a big fan of wood elves, so Im not sure here. Centaurs are a good adition, considering their fighting style, but the stag rideress dont fit here I think. I read your discussion about replacing the Baloths, and what I would suggest, is replacing the stag rideressīs with a faerie dragon, and replacing the Baloths with a Pegasus rider. I think they would fit more. So the choice for T5 would be : Pegasus rider x Unicorn.... maybe ?
Necropolis : Possibly the best T6 and T7 creatures among all factions. However the Ghosts and Soul eaters on T1 and T2 look way too similiar though. I think the Soul eater should be an animal ghost, rather then another humanoid, but im not sure if something like that exists in mythology. Other than that, I like it. It was a really good idea to add Gargoyles into the mix.
Fortress : So many good ideas here ! Tigers fit Fortress really well and the Obsidian guards are on point (although they could use a different name). Werebears are an interesting concept and Valraven arenīt bad either. Ram riders are a bit wierd, but I like their abilities. The mix between fire and ice is nice, but I am missing some icy creature on the early tiers. Overall a very good faction.
Academy : Again some great ideas here. Dervish was a fun concept and would fit in well. Tulpa and Crystal dragon look really nice. T6 looks way TOO good as Im not sure which creature i would choose On the other hand, T2 is a bit wierd, I dont think either unit fits here, but it may be just because of bad pictures...?
Dungeon : As said previously, the complete lack of humans/elves makes the faction more interesting, but its sad to see Medusas dissapaired with them as well. I would say they are a fitting unit into a cave-living faction, and would make the faction yet more interesting replacing one of the humanoids on T3. Ant warrior and Evil eye are well designed units both on design and abilities. Buggane is one of my least favourite creatures from "the new world" and itīs abilities dont make it any special either. I was thinking about a giant spider could be an interesting addition to this town, but just my idea. Wurm and centipede are the best new creatures here.
Well thatīs it, overall I would really enjoy playing with these factions, and I will eagerly await your next creations. 
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Mediczero
Famous Hero
Warlord of the sea
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posted August 20, 2016 07:37 AM |
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alexine said:
Necropolis : Possibly the best T6 and T7 creatures among all factions. However the Ghosts and Soul eaters on T1 and T2 look way too similiar though. I think the Soul eater should be an animal ghost, rather then another humanoid, but im not sure if something like that exists in mythology.
The Gravso! It could possibly fit there! It's a danish folklorecreature said to be this pig with razorsharp hairs down it's back. It protects graveyards and attacks intruders by running between their legs and spliting them in half. Though there is already a boar in stronghold.
On the topic of undead folklore creatures, there is also the Helhest, a three legged zombie horse said to be an omen of death. Or the church lamb, a lamb burried under a church to keep evil spirits away. It sometimes wanders about, searching for a good spot for a grave and somebody to put into it.
Also, if you feel like the mummy is out of place here, you could replace it with a Draugr. It's a corpse of a dead warrior possesed by an evil spirit raised from it's grave. But it's just a minor matter.
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Minastir
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted August 20, 2016 10:05 PM |
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alexine said:
I have been watching this thread time to time and I must say you did a wonderful work on these lineups ! Itīs nice to see reduced amount of humanoids in factions like Sylvan, Dungeon, Fortress, as they became much more interesting and unique. Some factions could however still use small improvements as few of the units look too similiar. I will share my thoughts on the factions one by one :
Thanks for your review of the factions, we appreciate the feedback We will think about your suggestions
So far the score for the Baloth replacement:
 Baloth - 0,5
Faerie Dragon - 1,5
Owlbear - 1,5
Forest Defender - 0,5
So for now, it's a tie
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alexine
Known Hero
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posted August 21, 2016 11:42 AM |
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Mediczero said:
The Gravso!.
Yes, thats something I thought of. There is a boar in Stronghold already, but its a cavalry unit so itīs not the same. I like this.
Regarding the votes - Faerie dragon is the most fitting one I would say. Spellcasting dragon is not there yet, so it would make a very unique unit.
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Minastir
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted August 22, 2016 10:24 PM |
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There is no more votes, so the voting ends now With the last vote from Alexine Faerie Dragon wins
1. Faerie Dragon - 2,5
2. Owlbear - 1,5
3. Baloth - 0,5
4. Forest Defender - 0,5
Thank you all for helping us choose Baloth replacement, the next vote about which new faction we should reveal first will be soon, while we work on them
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted August 22, 2016 10:28 PM |
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Don't you find it a bit weird to have Faerie so low tier? Should be T7 or even T8 if neutral IMO, it would be a nice choice between Faerie and Phoenix and make Green Drag neutral affiliated, but your vision.
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted August 23, 2016 04:40 PM |
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I like faerie dragons at a lower tier. helps reinforce the theme of magical forests of spirits and trixters and the like.
speaking of which, if you have trouble deciding which one you want, ask yourself what kind of faction this sylvan is. Is it "revenge of the forest" or something more like "harmony with nature"? For owl bear/faerie dragon respectably.
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