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posted January 18, 2018 06:38 PM |
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artu said:
Real hot guy does the same to a woman, what are his chances, not zero but significantly less.
that's only because it's more difficult for a man to get laid, than a woman. it's easy to see, that the strict hold religion has had on sexuality(especially female sexuality) in the past, still effects society today. the stigma that has been attached to feminine sexuality(and still kind of is) is just as ridiculous, as how feminists are demonizing male sexuality now.
but honestly, i'm conflicted on how i feel about this. on the one hand, it's morally wrong to attach any stigma to any sexuality(as long as it's consensual). but on the other hand, anything repressing human sexuality is a positive thing by attempting to hinder what leads to procreation. and you know how i feel about procreation/overpopulation. every little restraint helps. 
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posted January 18, 2018 06:55 PM |
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artu said:
Think of it like this, you are not devoted to anyone, you are walking in the street, a real hot girl comes out of nowhere and gives you the "come here honey" finger, (sounds like a porn plot doesnt it), you'd follow her like a puppy wagging his tail.
Is this in specific about Fred, or is it meant as a general example?
Because I definitely wouldn't, and I'm surprised if any average person would, but on the other hand it might be a cultural thing.
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posted January 18, 2018 06:58 PM |
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i'd go, but i'd be on alert. most likely a trap. in more ways than one. 
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posted January 18, 2018 07:02 PM |
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artu said:
The key here is whether you think there is a biological distinction between male arousal and female arousal. If you think not, then you would (and you do) hypothesize a completely symmetrical matriarchy. Our hormones dont function identically though, so there is a real difference.
I don't think the distinction is important at all, because you don't watch porn for fast arousal. You watch porn because the actors function as proxies. "Porn" is just a name for explicit depiction of sexual "acts". And women are acting sexually as well as men.
However, if the power situation was the other way round, exacting power would also feature with women porn.
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posted January 18, 2018 07:05 PM |
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artu said:
The key here is whether you think there is a biological distinction between male arousal and female arousal. If you think not, then you would (and you do) hypothesize a completely symmetrical matriarchy. Our hormones dont function identically though, so there is a real difference.
Exactly. Which is the reason there will never be a wide female centered market of porn, and also the reason Erotica is less popular among men.
In regards to these two categories biology prevails on "social constructs", men are more easily aroused by visuals (which is the reason a common joke regarding the XVIII century is that men got off by seeing the heels of women), while women are for... experience?
artu said:
Think of it like this, you are not devoted to anyone, you are walking in the street, a real hot girl comes out of nowhere and gives you the "come here honey" finger, (sounds like a porn plot doesnt it), you'd follow her like a puppy wagging his tail. Real hot guy does the same to a woman, what are his chances, not zero but significantly less.
This rings pretty much true in a generalized case, men can be easily captivated by a good appearance, and don't actually have an ingrained need to care if they impregnate the woman, women on the other hand can't afford this luxury (or rather couldn't), so to them appearance is but one of many characteristics needed in a mate.
And this is also the reason that "liberating sexuality" is actually more a subconscious desire of men than women ironically enough.
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posted January 18, 2018 07:10 PM |
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@fred (the intro obviously) but also to all the other participants of the discussion.
First of all, the correct approach would be "why is it harder for men to get laid." The obvious factor would be patriarchal history, of course, because women are "the prize" in patriarchy. (Another reason for you to support feminism, fred ) But is that the only reason?
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Recently, when comparing men and women’s responses to erotic videos that either set the mood (having an emotional component and story) or physically set the scene (where sexual intercourse and genitalia where directly displayed) women’s responses were stronger for the mood type videos, whereas the men preferred the physical type videos. Research also indicates that women have a more profound temporal component to sexual arousal than men. Although currently poorly understood, the least sexually aroused time is considered the follicular phase, a potentially fertile period, enabling females to be selective and cautious when committing to a sexual encounter in this period.
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OhforfSake said:
Is this in specific about Fred, or is it meant as a general example?
Because I definitely wouldn't, and I'm surprised if any average person would, but on the other hand it might be a cultural thing.
Well, we all know you are an alien in disguise Forfy, we cant know about your culture, the Queen Uncle with 87 legs would zap us to death with weird technology if we tried.
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posted January 18, 2018 07:27 PM |
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JollyJoker said:
However, if the power situation was the other way round, exacting power would also feature with women porn.
guess you've never heard of lesbian porn? or female-on-male-abuse porn? or female-dominant male bdsm?
that's porn made specifically FOR feminists. and guys who like their junk abused, of course.
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posted January 18, 2018 07:33 PM |
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Actually, I think BDSM is not catered to the one that is dominating. Men tend to prefer the Dominatrix kind of BDSM, while women prefer the 50 shades of grey kind.
In the end, you can't make porn catered to women just by shifting power, after all it's the man that's supposed to do the job... Unless it's a woman doing that, but I'd wager that certain men would prefer that kind of situation rather than women.
artu's links sum it up pretty nicely I believe, also this quote.
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In addition, men
are more likely to report viewing erotic material. Some scientists believe that this is due to a
greater male need for variety in sexual partners and stimuli, whereas others suggest that most
erotic material has been designed for a male audience.
It's basically this discussion.
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posted January 18, 2018 09:38 PM |
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fred79 said:
i'd go, but i'd be on alert. most likely a trap. in more ways than one.
- It must be a trap. It definitely is a trap!
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posted January 18, 2018 09:52 PM |
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Neraus said:
Quote:
In addition, men
are more likely to report viewing erotic material. Some scientists believe that this is due to a
greater male need for variety in sexual partners and stimuli, whereas others suggest that most
erotic material has been designed for a male audience.
the reasoning here, is because of marriage. males don't live as long as women, and the reason is their incessant nagging.
but seriously, marriage is a bad idea. i don't believe any two people are meant to stay together forever. it's not natural, imo. if human beings were meant to be married, there wouldn't be so many divorces. once again, we can thank religion for marriage. religious teachings, in many ways, go against the natural order of things. their teachings are absolutely unnatural, and humanity has been paying it's price since forever(and will continue to as long as it exists. among other things).
religion is probably the reason we haven't grown out of our "childhood", as a species, yet. that, and our pesky ego's. but that's for another topic.
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posted January 18, 2018 10:02 PM |
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All, keep in mind, that this isn't about porn as such, but about misconceptions about what is "regular" (for all), when it is IN FACT (mainly) for men. Porn was mentioned by me because it is more obvious that it is indeed so that most porn caters to men, without actually tagging it "porn for men", whereas there are categories, like, "liked by women" and so on.
That same phenomenon is what artu mentioned - that a lot of stuff is viewed as "regular/neutral" by men, but IN FACT caters to men especially, making it basically necessary for women to create something "different", that caters to them.
That was the part relevant for the mentioned article.
What is dicussed now is something like "women are functioning differently than men and therefore have a different attitude concerning porn", and what I say is that porn as a consumable to watch just DEALS with sex, but is about "power/control via proxy" - which is why I hold that porn is like gore (and blood like sperm) and weapons and penisses are a lot alike as well. This is supported by language since the words are the same.
Porn obviously isn't about sex, but about the movie playing in your mind when watching it.
You know, there was porn before the pictures learned to move...
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posted January 18, 2018 11:20 PM |
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Oh, but any dicussion has its own Swing you Progressive Rock loving fool.
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posted January 19, 2018 09:12 AM |
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posted January 19, 2018 03:30 PM |
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Huh, Thick As A Brick in the top ten, I listened to that album so many times in my early twenties. I thought Jethro Tull was a rather forgotten band these days. They played live here in the 90's and I remember having eye contact with Ian Anderson during Locomotive Breath, I was shaking my head to the rhythm, he started doing the exact headshake while looking at me and I was like "horaaaaay." Crap, it was good to be young.
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posted January 19, 2018 04:14 PM |
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Probably won't surprise you that I own all Tull records up to and including Stormwatch which would, after some doubt over their last albums after Minstrel, close that chapter for me.
It never struck me to call Brick (and Passion Play as well) Prog Rock - but thinking about it, they probably are, and very much so. 
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posted February 03, 2018 09:57 PM |
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Somebody linked this on Facebook and I didnt realize it was a Harari piece till the end, insightful with historical depth as usual.
Isis is as much an offshoot of our global civilisation as Google by Yuval Harari
The people we fight most often are our own family members. Identity is defined by conflicts and dilemmas more than by agreements. What does it mean to be European in 2016? It doesn’t mean to have white skin, to believe in Jesus Christ, or to uphold liberty. Rather, it means to argue vehemently about immigration, about the EU, and about the limits of capitalism. It also means to obsessively ask yourself “What defines my identity?” and to worry about an ageing population, about rampant consumerism and about global warming without really knowing what to do about it. In their conflicts and dilemmas, 21st-century Europeans are very different from their early-modern and medieval ancestors, but are increasingly similar to their Chinese and Indian contemporaries.
Whatever changes await us, they are likely to involve a fraternal struggle within a single civilisation rather than a clash between alien civilisations. The big challenges of the 21st century will be global in nature. What will happen when pollution triggers global climate changes? What will happen when computers replace people in an increasing number of jobs? When biotechnology enables us to upgrade humans, extend lifespans, and perhaps split humankind into different biological castes? No doubt, we will have huge arguments and bitter conflicts over these questions. But these arguments and conflicts are unlikely to drive us apart. Just the opposite. They will make us ever more interdependent, as members of a single, rowdy, global civilisation.
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posted February 14, 2018 04:24 AM |
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Defense speech for the court by Ahmet Altan
Like Phileas Fogg of Around the World in Eighty Days, Erdogan, too, is out of coal and he has ordered parts of the vessel removed and burned in order to get his ship to the last harbor.
If he arrives at the last harbor he won’t have the state ship anymore; he will be left with a mere skeleton unable to float.
He burns the state to achieve his goal.
But even that money is not enough.
People are getting poorer and poorer. The Turkish lira keeps depreciating. Prices soar.
Therefore, Erdogan has grasped the final weapon that all incompetent politicians grasp – that is, nationalism.
Nationalism, the common foolishness of humankind, is politics’ free-of-charge fuel.
People like being deemed “worthy’’ just for their birth-given identity, without having to make an effort in life, without creating anything.
When governments move away from the Law, justice and wealth, rumbles of nationalism increase.
But it is not that easy for Erdogan to use this free fuel.
In order to inflame nationalism and garner nationalists’ support, he has been fighting with and insulting all nations.
Naturally, he runs into an impasse here.
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posted February 19, 2018 09:42 PM |
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posted February 22, 2018 09:59 AM |
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fred79
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posted February 22, 2018 10:55 AM |
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Galaad said:
Per Artu's request, fresh news from the VW!
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/05/science/mutant-crayfish-clones-europe.html
man, the feels. this article brings me back to my childhood when my cousins and i used to catch crayfish(what we call crawdads) in a creek near where my grandma used to live. that was one of the favorite things about my childhood; going down to that creek to catch crayfish, hunt for mussels, or catch water mocassins(cottonmouths) and copperheads. i remember the first time i ate crawdads that we had caught; my uncle had cooked them. luckily there's a restaurant nearby that serves them.
that creek now(the entire thing) is so polluted that almost nothing lives in it anymore. thanks, overpopulation and industry. 
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