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hayenne
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posted April 07, 2017 03:22 PM |
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Edited by hayenne at 15:35, 07 Apr 2017.
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I have been relatively unlucky with my summons so I still run a 3-epic team and not a 4 dot either, but the centaur which I don't use any more. A friend talked me (mistakenly) into levelling my Leviathan so I added a boss to my team.
It turned out to be not so bad, I can easily take down a Phoenix now.
Rerolling took lots of orbs, but made the team much more robust with increased damage and healing.
I still wipe against max green giants (no reds, no stunner...), but I believe I squeezed the best potential out of my creatures.
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Xexamedes
Adventuring Hero
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posted April 07, 2017 03:44 PM |
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i haven't even started trying to balance the orb colours, my only 4 dots are a hellhound and tiki idol. I've fully awakened a 3 dot ogre and almost pushed it to 90 (sadly I didn't know enough to push to fully awaken the ettin or triffid)
Figuring on replacing the ettin with the ogre (and then hopefully something nice from the legendary idol), and the squishy chicken with the cloud giant once it finishes levelling.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted April 07, 2017 03:49 PM |
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hayenne said:
I still wipe against max green giants (no reds, no stunner...), but I believe I squeezed the best potential out of my creatures.
You only have one x8 multiplier working. Treant, Light Elemental and Leviathan can deal much better damage so there still is room for improvement here. 
You have no red creatures at all? For a balanced party two of the same color seems a bit color-counter specific (in your case vs Red), you have no good red creature AT ALL? Or you have no red Legendary or no red more than two dots?
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EnergyZ
Legendary Hero
President of MM Wiki
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posted April 07, 2017 04:01 PM |
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At least I am thankful I got that Leviathian from the summon. The first legendary.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted April 07, 2017 04:09 PM |
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EnergyZ said:
The first legendary.
Gratz. 
That one is always something.
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hayenne
Known Hero
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posted April 07, 2017 05:09 PM |
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Edited by hayenne at 17:15, 07 Apr 2017.
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Galaad said:
You only have one x8 multiplier working. Treant, Light Elemental and Leviathan can deal much better damage so there still is room for improvement here.
Ah, true. It was a conscious decision to have x4 and not x8 due to epic creatures being quite squishy. Having one more attack in PvP to reach that x8 or use the special at x4 could often mean difference between life and death (especially with those oneshotting skeletons, speaking of which, I just got a 3d one!).
That, and I rather hope to summon more bosses during the coming summoning events to replace my epics. Failing that, I may need to reconsider x8.
Galaad said:
You have no red creatures at all? For a balanced party two of the same color seems a bit color-counter specific (in your case vs Red), you have no good red creature AT ALL? Or you have no red Legendary or no red more than two dots?
Well Siren is a healer, does that count towards a "balanced party"? I use it together with Leviathan out of necessity as they are the best healer/dps I have at the moment.
My best red creature is a 3 dot Harpy which has unpredictable special, making it mediocre in battles.
Other than that... I have a 2d fire elemental and lots of rares.
I did get a 3d Ogre though, will use it, unless I come up with something better.
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AlHazin
Promising
Supreme Hero
النور
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posted April 07, 2017 05:41 PM |
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Still with Rakshasa in the same group. And now we have markmasters with us.
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Nothing of value disappears from this world, it will reappear in some shape or form ^^ - Elvin
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted April 07, 2017 05:46 PM |
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Edited by Galaad at 17:52, 07 Apr 2017.
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hayenne said:
Well Siren is a healer, does that count towards a "balanced party"? I use it together with Leviathan out of necessity as they are the best healer/dps I have at the moment.
I understand that, but out of the six colors you can counter, there is room only for five, using more than one color suggest the party is more color-counter specific than "balanced". So instead of struggling against one color, you struggle against two.
hayenne said:
My best red creature is a 3 dot Harpy which has unpredictable special, making it mediocre in battles.
Other than that... I have a 2d fire elemental and lots of rares.
The Harpy mediocre in battle? 
Before I won the Phoenix it was my main red creature, a two dots, was doing the job quite fine...
I perfectly get the healer/dps combination but that they are the same color is not optimal imo.
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I did get a 3d Ogre though, will use it, unless I come up with something better.
They are very good and you can farm the current event to fully awaken him. I were you the deciding factor between them would be the multiplier, if one of them could work with your current options. If you have to reroll anyway, I guess Ogre then.
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dulkan
Known Hero
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posted April 07, 2017 05:53 PM |
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I wouldn't bother with two ogres. Ogres are weak on defense, their damage is too random to be useful.
Xexamedes said:
I've been playing CQ for 2 weeks now
Got the peri and jolly green giant from diamond idols, the angel from last week. The white idols also gave me a mist giant that is getting levelled as fast as I can.
my only 4 dots are a hellhound and tiki idol.
2 weeks and you have the same number of legendaries and 4 dots as me, who played for 7 weeks.
Then agin with lvl 143 in 2 weeks, you need to either have a LOT of time or spent quite a bit of money.
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Rakshasa92
Supreme Hero
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posted April 07, 2017 05:56 PM |
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Farm ogres? Good luck with that, I only have 5 so far, and I did that quest A LOT of times.
I say they have only 10 % chance to appear in a chest.
Treants and Sirens were much more common.
I have the white dragon fully evolved, but It kinda sucks when you have a mist giant, so I lost a lot of money and white crystals on the creature... Not that I use white crystals anymore.
My current group has a stickers member in it, and yes, he's top 3...
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted April 07, 2017 06:10 PM |
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dulkan said:
I wouldn't bother with two ogres. Ogres are weak on defense, their damage is too random to be useful.
They have a better defense than Harpies and you can (should) boost with totems, their damage is quite powerful with 175% on one target, it's the damage for the other targets hitted that is random but still you can force your luck with luck totems, along the awakenings I would say the odds are rather good.
Rakshasa92 said:
Farm ogres? Good luck with that, I only have 5 so far, and I did that quest A LOT of times.
Really? Either you are very unlucky or I have been extra lucky. Usually the Epics have a rather good drop rate in these event quests, I could ALWAYS fully awaken one whenever I decided to do so.
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I say they have only 10 % chance to appear in a chest.
Dude just no, how many times did you farm the quest?
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Darkcyber
Tavern Dweller
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posted April 07, 2017 06:11 PM |
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that's my main team... I would hear any tips and comments
That set was created randomy with that creatures I had. Try to make it better.
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hayenne
Known Hero
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posted April 07, 2017 06:29 PM |
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Rakshasa92 said:
I say they have only 10 % chance to appear in a chest.
Good lord Rak, what difficulty are you doing?
Ogre drops are around 95% for me on King, I literally get one every time (since the beginning of the event I did not get maybe 3 times and those were on lower difficulties).
Darkcyber said:
that's my main team... I would hear any tips and comments
That set was created randomy with that creatures I had. Try to make it better.
Dude... you have way too much greens on your team, not to mention a rare fairy. Do you have a Siren or other colour healers?
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Darkcyber
Tavern Dweller
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posted April 07, 2017 06:33 PM |
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hayenne said:
Darkcyber said:
that's my main team... I would hear any tips and comments
That set was created randomy with that creatures I had. Try to make it better.
Dude... you have way too much greens on your team, not to mention a rare fairy. Do you have a Siren or other colour healers?
I know about green creatures, that's why I'm losing to phoenix teams almost always. Unfortunately I have only two awaked healers Fairy like that and Tengu from the wind. I hope I'll take next epic creature with another color
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dulkan
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posted April 07, 2017 06:52 PM |
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Galaad said:
dulkan said:
I wouldn't bother with two ogres. Ogres are weak on defense, their damage is too random to be useful.
They have a better defense than Harpies and you can (should) boost with totems, their damage is quite powerful with 175% on one target, it's the damage for the other targets hitted that is random but still you can force your luck with luck totems, along the awakenings I would say the odds are rather good.
175% pwr on one target is very low. The random hits aren't strong, even if they crit. They do have an additional chance to miss.
What exactly do you think luck does for the ogre? It doesn't affect random targetting at all, it doesn't help him hitting the target you want nor does it increase his chance to hit the random targets.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted April 07, 2017 07:12 PM |
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Edited by Galaad at 19:21, 07 Apr 2017.
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Darkcyber said:
that's my main team... I would hear any tips and comments
That set was created randomy with that creatures I had. Try to make it better.
Yes this is typically a color-counter party (minus the wasted dots  ), it is also true you have to do with what you get at the beginning so my advice would be to try and prioritize a better diversity and complementary in colors and dots.
dulkan said:
175% pwr on one target is very low.
How exactly 175% PWR dmg on one target is low?
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What exactly do you think luck does for the ogre? It doesn't affect random targetting at all, it doesn't help him hitting the target you want nor does it increase his chance to hit the random targets.
With awakening the chance to crit these targets is 50%, yes it's on the other targets and yes it's less damage, also yes it's not the strongest creature you can get, but I wouldn't call it weak or useless. But I have to admit I don't have too much experience with them.
But while I was mainly responding to Hayenne I believe you were more on the other question about defense, I always say in this game, many things depend on your current situation, if he has no better defender at the moment I say use it, moreover since not so long ago there was a green summoning event.
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dulkan
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posted April 07, 2017 07:36 PM |
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Edited by dulkan at 19:37, 07 Apr 2017.
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Galaad said:
How exactly 175% PWR dmg on one target is low?
Ettin does 280% and removes buffs
big horn does 275% and debuffs defense by 40%
Light Elemental does 150% to all targets
Air elemental does 200% and this attack jumps to 3 other targets for half dmg each time
Green drake hits main target for 17%, adjacent ones for half and poisons for 30% for 4 turns.
mechanical spider does 11x 25%, so 275% pwr total
diamond golem does 250% and buffs defense by 20%.
That's just the creatures I have and every single one except for the LE deals more dmg to its chosen target than the ogre.
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With awakening the chance to crit these targets is 50%, yes it's on the other targets and yes it's less damage, also yes it's not the strongest creature you can get, but I wouldn't call it weak or useless. But I have to admit I don't have too much experience with them.
50% crit on hits, which can miss completely and deal insignificant damage.
@Darkcyber
Get the siren form next weeks event quest, it'S an improved version of the pixie. Also replace the ogre or ettin with somebody who can stun.
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Xexamedes
Adventuring Hero
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posted April 07, 2017 07:42 PM |
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dulkan said:
I wouldn't bother with two ogres. Ogres are weak on defense, their damage is too random to be useful.
Xexamedes said:
I've been playing CQ for 2 weeks now
Got the peri and jolly green giant from diamond idols, the angel from last week. The white idols also gave me a mist giant that is getting levelled as fast as I can.
my only 4 dots are a hellhound and tiki idol.
2 weeks and you have the same number of legendaries and 4 dots as me, who played for 7 weeks.
Then agin with lvl 143 in 2 weeks, you need to either have a LOT of time or spent quite a bit of money.
Mostly a lot of time dumped into questing, I spent 25 quid on a promo package at the start and used 1k diamonds to upgrade max energy which allowed me to chain level ups to about 120. I can still get around 5 levels a day if I keep an eye on timings. I've also got 30 years of experience in rpg, 4x and mmo games so optimising tends to come naturally.
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yasmiel
Supreme Hero
Former Chessmaster
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posted April 07, 2017 08:37 PM |
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It is still pretty dependable on luck.
I am on 1 legendary. played for 9 weeks. Nearing level 170.
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markmasters
Famous Hero
Dragon of justice
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posted April 07, 2017 08:52 PM |
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Got plenty of legendaries but almost all red so not ideal either .
I'm still on only a single 4-dot creature though at lvl 225.....and even 3 dots are very rare.
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