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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted April 07, 2017 09:10 PM |
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Edited by Galaad at 21:13, 07 Apr 2017.
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dulkan said:
That's just the creatures I have and every single one except for the LE deals more dmg to its chosen target than the ogre.
But these creatures are very powerful with LE being one of the best Epics? Maybe I remember wrong but I feel I've seen many creatures with lesser than 175%, actually lesser than 100%. Ok the Ogre is not THAT good, but not a waste either.
markmasters said:
I'm still on only a single 4-dot creature though at lvl 225.....and even 3 dots are very rare.
Spend more time in Battle Tower, concentrate on one level at a time, the 3 dots drop, I got around five from there just this week (ok I was in vacation and had plenty energy saved  ).
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markmasters
Famous Hero
Dragon of justice
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posted April 07, 2017 09:21 PM |
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farmed hellhounds for 2 hours (at least it was so easy I could watch a movie), got 57 of em all 2 or 1 dots
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dulkan
Known Hero
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posted April 07, 2017 10:20 PM |
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Galaad said:
But these creatures are very powerful with LE being one of the best Epics? Maybe I remember wrong but I feel I've seen many creatures with lesser than 175%, actually lesser than 100%. Ok the Ogre is not THAT good, but not a waste either.
I've never seen any creature deal less than 100% pwr to a single target, let alone an epic.
Generally for mass damage you can expect 100-150% pwr, for single target 200-300%
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AncientDruids
Famous Hero
(Andruids for short)
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posted April 07, 2017 10:39 PM |
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@marksman I've tried farming a 3-dot Wyvern every time a floor with it had a higher chance to drop. I've got a 3-dot Ant, Emberwing and Hellhound instead : p
RNG is funny.
EDIT: Aaaaaand just got one. Complaining helps : >
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted April 07, 2017 10:48 PM |
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Edited by Galaad at 22:49, 07 Apr 2017.
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markmasters said:
farmed hellhounds for 2 hours (at least it was so easy I could watch a movie), got 57 of em all 2 or 1 dots
You need to farm more than that. The small creatures have a lesser rate, I should precise out of the five I mentioned four were medium-sized.
dulkan said:
I've never seen any creature deal less than 100% pwr to a single target, let alone an epic.
Generally for mass damage you can expect 100-150% pwr, for single target 200-300%
After a quick look at my creatures it seems you're right. Still I could not not notice the gap of HP, the Ogre is a tank, allegedly justifying the lesser damage. Just curious, do you have any experience with it or are you just talking according to the numbers?
AncientDruids said:
@marksman I've tried farming a 3-dot Wyvern every time a floor with it had a higher chance to drop. I've got a 3-dot Ant, Emberwing and Hellhound instead : p
RNG is funny.
I've been trying to get the 3 dot Wyvern so hard without success, but I don't lose hope. 
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markmasters
Famous Hero
Dragon of justice
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posted April 07, 2017 11:07 PM |
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AncientDruids said:
@marksman I've tried farming a 3-dot Wyvern every time a floor with it had a higher chance to drop. I've got a 3-dot Ant, Emberwing and Hellhound instead : p
RNG is funny.
EDIT: Aaaaaand just got one. Complaining helps : >
congrats to you, these kind of messages make me sad....i've farmed the battle tower so much and the only 3 dots i received are a kitten mage and a kitten witch.....I am not even a cat person! It has been so lomg a 3-dotter dropped for me (xcept event boss) that i forgot when. I would be so happy with any of those 3 dotters you got just from that level (xcept ember wing he's trash)
My RNG is terrible with games overall but I've been in a stalemate in CQ for way to long now, nothing changed in my collection for quite some weeks and I complained enough about it....doesn't help to me
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted April 08, 2017 08:43 AM |
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Edited by Galaad at 08:44, 08 Apr 2017.
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@Marks
Yet you still do great in the game which shows it doesn't rely that much on luck. 
@HungryDragon (if reading)
Small stupid question: when I reroll a combo on a creature that has no combo dots, I noticed it can give either one or two dots, is there a chance (as small as it may be) that it may also give 3 or 4?
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AxeTerio
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posted April 08, 2017 09:25 AM |
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Galaad said:
@HungryDragon (if reading)
Small stupid question: when I reroll a combo on a creature that has no combo dots, I noticed it can give either one or two dots, is there a chance (as small as it may be) that it may also give 3 or 4?
The CQ game FAQ still reads that they can receive (1-4) dots, let's hope they're truthful cuz we've seen hundreds of attempts never exceed 2 dots.
I have one for Hungry Dragon, any info that can be released about Awakening and upgrading dots from 3 -> 4 when you have dupe creatures?
I just got a 4 dot Forest Giant after my 3 dot FG is lvl 90 with one Awakening star activated so it'd be nice to combine them efficiently if possible.
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dulkan
Known Hero
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posted April 08, 2017 09:25 AM |
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Galaad said:
Small stupid question: when I reroll a combo on a creature that has no combo dots, I noticed it can give either one or two dots, is there a chance (as small as it may be) that it may also give 3 or 4?
It is a reroll of the combo dots. So three and four dot are possible, I think someone in he guild actually got a 4 dot from it. Me, I had one 2-dot and the rest 1-dot in 40 tries
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted April 08, 2017 09:39 AM |
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dulkan said:
It is a reroll of the combo dots. So three and four dot are possible, I think someone in he guild actually got a 4 dot from it. Me, I had one 2-dot and the rest 1-dot in 40 tries
Logically that should be the case yes, but I tend to be a bit paranoid with that kind of things so I just want to be 100% sure.
If someone from the guild indeed got it and can confirm I'll be reassured.
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Rakshasa92
Supreme Hero
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posted April 08, 2017 11:19 AM |
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Galaad said:
dulkan said:
I wouldn't bother with two ogres. Ogres are weak on defense, their damage is too random to be useful.
They have a better defense than Harpies and you can (should) boost with totems, their damage is quite powerful with 175% on one target, it's the damage for the other targets hitted that is random but still you can force your luck with luck totems, along the awakenings I would say the odds are rather good.
Rakshasa92 said:
Farm ogres? Good luck with that, I only have 5 so far, and I did that quest A LOT of times.
Really? Either you are very unlucky or I have been extra lucky. Usually the Epics have a rather good drop rate in these event quests, I could ALWAYS fully awaken one whenever I decided to do so.
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I say they have only 10 % chance to appear in a chest.
Dude just no, how many times did you farm the quest?
Over 20 times in total. Only 5 ogres. I still play on prince, king costs too much skip-battle-coins for me. Also my team has trouble with this level, I lack a fire creature and a good attacking water creature, so this level on king is still impossible for my team. The green Gnoll guy with his duplicates almost killed me once on prince, so on king it will be pretty much impossible still. I need a better black creature or a good fire creature.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted April 08, 2017 11:35 AM |
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That would lead to think the drop rates are indeed much higher on King? Hm that sucks. 
But are you sure you can't beat it on King? Which battle is causing you trouble? The Ogre? The Gnoll? All?
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Rakshasa92
Supreme Hero
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posted April 08, 2017 11:37 AM |
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Galaad said:
That would lead to think the drop rates are indeed much higher on King? Hm that sucks.
But are you sure you can't beat it on King? Which battle is causing you trouble? The Ogre? The Gnoll? All?
No creature (even my forest giant) has every fell from the ogre, I have trouble with the gnoll dude, because I lack a good fire creature, onlyi have the 3 dot fire bat, but its dot suck in my current team.
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Rakshasa92
Supreme Hero
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posted April 08, 2017 11:42 AM |
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Only a 3 dot fire bat, with terrible dots for my team.
I have a 3 dot lady bug for defense lol
I have been terrible unlucky in both black and red creatures... Only get a lot of blue, green and white creatures...
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted April 08, 2017 11:42 AM |
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Edited by Galaad at 11:43, 08 Apr 2017.
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Sorry I missed your edit. I think if you switch your Forest Giant with a decent fire creature that has multipliers working the Gnoll should be OK (you already have a stunner with the Mist Giant), the Fire Bat is good, how many prismatic orbs do you currently have?
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Rakshasa92
Supreme Hero
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posted April 08, 2017 11:45 AM |
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Best thing is that I could switch my elephant for the fire bat in that battle. But I don't have many prismatic orbs. I need them for other creatures...
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted April 08, 2017 11:48 AM |
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Rakshasa92 said:
But I don't have many prismatic orbs. I need them for other creatures...
Like for the creatures you're not currently using?
The rerolls are so random though I wouldn't want to influence you too much with them, if you have only 2-3 you can save, if you got around 10 you can go for a few tries.
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yasmiel
Supreme Hero
Former Chessmaster
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posted April 08, 2017 01:35 PM |
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Galaad said:
dulkan said:
But these creatures are very powerful with LE being one of the best Epics? Maybe I remember wrong but I feel I've seen many creatures with lesser than 175%, actually lesser than 100%. Ok the Ogre is not THAT good, but not a waste either.
Keep in mind that ogre has low PWR to begin with, so one cannot judge simply by specials PWR%.
It has around 1500pwr at level 90 while LE has 2500.
So LE does 150% at 2500 power, while ogre does 175% at 1500 power.
I rounded the numbers from memory but they should be around there.
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Rakshasa92
Supreme Hero
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posted April 08, 2017 03:29 PM |
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I easily beat everything on king now... the gnoll killed everything spared for mist giant and siren, together alone they become invincible with healing and stun every turn lol. The other monsters gave no problem. I gained two ogres in the meantime.
I post my defense team later
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dulkan
Known Hero
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posted April 08, 2017 05:22 PM |
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yasmiel said:
Keep in mind that ogre has low PWR to begin with, so one cannot judge simply by specials PWR%.
It has around 1500pwr at level 90 while LE has 2500.
So LE does 150% at 2500 power, while ogre does 175% at 1500 power.
I rounded the numbers from memory but they should be around there.
1500 PWR is actually average for an epic. It's just that the LE has an excessive amount of power. I really don't know what the designers thought with that. Yeah, it has low attack and defense, but with power like this it doesn't matter too much.
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