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Galaad
Hero of Order
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posted April 08, 2017 05:28 PM |
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dulkan said:
I really don't know what the designers thought with that.
Obviously they made it very powerful so there is some diversity among creatures. And like any very powerful creature in the game there is also appropriate counters, nothing shocking for me.
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markmasters
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Dragon of justice
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posted April 08, 2017 05:39 PM |
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LE is your typical glass xanon, loads of damage but nothing else
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted April 08, 2017 06:02 PM |
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Exactly 
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dulkan
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posted April 08, 2017 06:28 PM |
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Edited by dulkan at 18:31, 08 Apr 2017.
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err, glass cannon? 9700hp and 1380 def isn't exactly a glass cannon, that's the same defensive stats as a siren. On top of that an awakened LE has a 40% chance to take half dmg. There are a lot of more vulnerable epics, e.g. air elemental lord has 7k hp and 1200def fully totemed.
I don't see how making a creature so much more powerful than the other epics is for diversity. Everybody uses LE in the dungeon, because it's much better than every other creature you can put in its slot and every attacker is forced to immediately kill the LE, because it can completely wreck you, when it gets off its special.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted April 08, 2017 06:45 PM |
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The LE dies VERY fast, do you spend more time playing the game or looking at the numbers?
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dulkan
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posted April 08, 2017 07:02 PM |
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Galaad said:
The LE dies VERY fast, do you spend more time playing the game or looking at the numbers?
Everything that isn't a high defense and hp boss dies very fast when you have specials up. What kind of argument is that?
In terms of numbers, the LE is not a glass cannon, but average/slightly below average when it comes to durability for epics. You have a dark elf, a black single target nuker, of course it dies to a single special of this creature.
An LE doesn't die fast at all, when it's on the first wave.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted April 08, 2017 07:08 PM |
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dulkan said:
In terms of numbers, the LE is not a glass cannon, but average/slightly below average when it comes to durability for epics. You have a dark elf, a black single target nuker, of course it dies to a single special of this creature.
OK the DE is more of a glass cannon than the LE, by about 1000 HP difference? You want numbers? Take the Elephant, the Walrus, or the Ogre you were so hasty to dismiss earlier that I have faced when fully maxed and please do compare their HP with the LE. Even the Boarbarian, a rare creature, is more tanky.
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An LE doesn't die fast at all, when it's on the first wave.
It takes 4-5 hits instead of 1-2 IIRC
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dulkan
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posted April 08, 2017 07:21 PM |
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Edited by dulkan at 19:22, 08 Apr 2017.
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Galaad said:
OK the DE is more of a glass cannon than the LE, by about 1000 HP difference? You want numbers? Take the Elephant, the Walrus, or the Ogre you were so hasty to dismiss earlier that I have faced when fully maxed and please do compare their HP with the LE. Even the Boarbarian, a rare creature, is more tanky.
So, you list several of the tankiest epics? Harpy has 7500 HP, Air ele has 7k, green drake has 9k hp and 1800def, siren 9500 hp, 1400 def.
SAure, there are several creatures more tanky than the LE, but there are also several creatures around the same level and several less durable, i.e. it's average on defense. Also don'T forget its 40% chance to take half dmg.
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It takes 4-5 hits instead of 1-2 IIRC
Yeah, I don't think that's even physically possible unless you bring at least 4 black creatures. How are you going to do 10k dmg with 4-5 normal hits?
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted April 08, 2017 07:27 PM |
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Edited by Galaad at 19:31, 08 Apr 2017.
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dulkan said:
SAure, there are several creatures more tanky than the LE, but there are also several creatures around the same level and several less durable, i.e. it's average on defense.
I don't really think you can make an accurate average of anything without knowing the 500+ creatures in the game tbh.
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How are you going to do 10k dmg with 4-5 normal hits?
With multipliers, I have 4 x8 now including the Dark Elf's. But granted, I have it easier because of the DE.
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dulkan
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posted April 08, 2017 07:36 PM |
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Galaad said:
I don't really think you can make an accurate average of anything without knowing the 500+ creatures in the game tbh.
Why not? I know a good chunk of the creatures and I'm only comparing epics anyway. I think the sample size is big enough.
Btw, I'm not dismissing the ogre. The ogre is good attacker, he is just very bad on defence.
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How are you going to do 10k dmg with 4-5 normal hits?
With multipliers, I have 4 x8 now including the Dark Elf's. But granted, I have it easier because of the DE.
You can only trigger 2 x8 though. How much power does the DE have and what's her basic attack?
Do attack a few dungeons with 4-dot LEs on the first wave though. You'll soon learn what I mean.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted April 08, 2017 07:45 PM |
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Edited by Galaad at 19:45, 08 Apr 2017.
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dulkan said:
Do attack a few dungeons with 4-dot LEs on the first wave though. You'll soon learn what I mean.
I'm pretty sure you mean here the 3 waves defense with the 4 dots LE and the two 4 dots Hyenas from last time? I did beat that.
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dulkan
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posted April 08, 2017 07:51 PM |
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Galaad said:
dulkan said:
Do attack a few dungeons with 4-dot LEs on the first wave though. You'll soon learn what I mean.
I'm pretty sure you mean here the 3 waves defense with the 4 dots LE and the two 4 dots Hyenas from last time? I did beat that.
No I mean defenses, which are set up around the LE. Those are really just luck based whether you win or not.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted April 08, 2017 07:54 PM |
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Edited by Galaad at 19:56, 08 Apr 2017.
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Ok I don't even know what you mean here. But what I tell you, anything I say in this thread, is from first hand experience, and as far as I could see, as powerful as the Supernova is, the LE goes into the fragile creatures category for me.
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AxeTerio
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posted April 08, 2017 09:48 PM |
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Galaad said:
These little things... For the first time I said No to the Peri in the White Wish Quest
What's this? I don't understand what part of the game this is or what Peri is? I've beaten all the Grand Wish quests but must've missed this reference? I did get this as the Legend reward:
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So what do you guys think about your partys, are you happy with them? How would you like to improve them?
I've also spent all my Prismatic Orbs earlier on my team along with 600 diamonds and ended up with this:
I'm happy with the x4 on Angel as it allows Demon to get x9 then my FG gets x16 more often since he's sturdier than my LE tho I do miss the x10 Demon would get after LE would blast through waves.
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AncientDruids
Famous Hero
(Andruids for short)
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posted April 08, 2017 10:08 PM |
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'Peri' is a name of a White Genie Creature. He appears three times during its quest and asks you about your wish. Each time you can choose that you want some PWR buffs, Gold or Experience, but all those choices will deprive local hospital, village and orphanage of important resources and leave you with severe pangs of guilt. If you say 'NO' to all of Peri's proposals, the thankful citizens will give you white gems instead. It is a great quest indeed.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted April 09, 2017 12:23 AM |
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Edited by Galaad at 00:27, 09 Apr 2017.
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@Andruids
Totally, great atmosphere, I want more stuff like this. 
@Axe
Your party rocks! 
Now just save orbs for a while until you can optimize further.
Btw 600 diamonds, that takes me back when I didn't even know of the existence of these orbs.
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hayenne
Known Hero
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posted April 09, 2017 11:07 AM |
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Wow, what a heated discussion!
I agree with both dulkan and Galaad, but I'll stick with Galaad on this one. LE is a very good epic, probably the best and it is indeed a glass cannon with its low DEF stat and no stellar HP either.
It's common in so many dungeons for a simple reason: it's easy to get and it is a very good defending creature. I see nothing wrong with that. It's the same reason so many players use the Siren as their main healer: it is easy to obtain and it's better than anything else the most have at their hands.
@AxeTerio, congrats!! This is probably the best universal legendary there is, both in offence and defence.
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Rakshasa92
Supreme Hero
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posted April 09, 2017 01:42 PM |
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Geez everybody get these four dot boss creatures... i have none, and you all wonder why I suck in this game... Because it is unfair that one person gets two four dot giants and the other (me) get dozens of boring blue three dot boss creatures and some white ones. 3 dots have absolutely no chance agains four dots.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted April 09, 2017 01:45 PM |
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Edited by Galaad at 13:47, 09 Apr 2017.
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Raks you're more grumpy than a dwarf.
For the record I have no 4 dots Boss creatures, and my DE could as well be a 3 dots since I don't have the x16 multiplier working but "only" the x8 (ok one extra mana ball but well).
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markmasters
Famous Hero
Dragon of justice
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posted April 09, 2017 01:55 PM |
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Raks i'm pretty confident you have more 4 dots then me so thats no excuse 
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