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posted February 23, 2019 07:04 PM |
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artu said:
So, fred, you disagree on the LSD part because you did LSD, yet fully agree on the vegan part because you dont do that? 
did you even read my entire post?  i had to stop here, because if the rest of your post is based on this premise, it would have been a waste of time.
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posted February 23, 2019 07:12 PM |
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Neraus said:
So, be careful, you may not be predisposed to the psychic damage that LSD may entail, but that doesn't mean there isn't a risk involved, some guys get the short end of the stick, others do not, that's not a reason to justify its use.
the reason i now justify, and actually promote the use of, hallucinogens, is because they can be used to attack/destroy the ego; if only temporarily. the ego being the source cause of ALL human problems(which end up leading to world problems).
my initial reason, was to help people realize that they could change their worlds; and that they did not have to be slaves to the systems set in place, or to the rich. but after being around people and actually talking to so many and seeing how they think, i realize they keep the chains on, themselves. meaning, they are aware, and do not actually WANT freedom. freedom, in this case, being chaos that will help to limit their number, and therefore, their influence, on the world around them.
now, i promote the drug to help keep people's egos under control.
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posted February 23, 2019 08:44 PM |
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I will definitely discuss this with you, fred.
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posted February 24, 2019 01:44 AM |
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Edited by Edn at 01:45, 24 Feb 2019.
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Without ego progress would rarely be made, as pretty much no act is selfless..
I apologize for aiding in derailing the thread, back on topic for my part.
Today at work I made an amazing Sri Lanka curry & coconut creamed risotto with bottleneck pumpkin, asparagus and pomegrenade for a customer. Tasted amazing, didn't think curry would merge do well with italian tradition. If you have a chance, I urge you to try 
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posted February 24, 2019 10:10 AM |
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As far as the ethics goes, I wouldn't say eating animals is an intrinsically "bad" thing per se, but it is I believe increasingly unnecessary and I think eventually it will become seen as unethical or at the very least as silly. And let's face it: the modern food industry is pretty ****ed up. I know there are vegans / plant-based eaters that will vainly argue against this, but obviously, our evolutionary history includes meat in our diet and primates all eat meat, even if a small amount of their overall diet. The last Ice Age meant a primarily meat diet for a lot of groups of humans, though I doubt those people lived very long.
That being said, life changes and humans are a pro-actively developing species. 3,000 years ago it was considered normal to wipe out the boys and girls of your enemy tribe if you didn't enslave them. The reasons were quite practical: in 10 years the boys become warriors and the girls becomes mothers. But... eventually expectations changed and society kept developing. As it is right now, it's becoming increasingly questionable to what extent eating animals is really needed and what impact this has on the world, considering cattle in particular are such a major pollutant and strain on the environment. And, the actual need for animal meat/dairy in our diet is quite small while the side effects are quite large, especially considering the average modern human isn't active enough to justify a diet heavy in meat and dairy in the first place, other than "I want to", but considering the cost on their health, energy, and well-being, that probably has more to do with cultural pressure, poor self-management, and poor impulse control than it does with it making the person truly happy.
Vegetarians/Vegans/Whatevers are not a monolith. They are individuals and their exact views vary from person to person.
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posted February 24, 2019 10:12 AM |
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nummi said:
Supplements... are not food. Whatever chemical-synthetic-processed whatever, is not food. Those who do not fool themselves about food and diet (and of course know sufficiently well about all this), do not eat socalled supplements. Supplements eat those whose diets are in some regards very wrong.
You put it in your mouth and swallow.
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posted February 24, 2019 12:00 PM |
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Blizzardboy said:
nummi said:
Supplements... are not food. Whatever chemical-synthetic-processed whatever, is not food. Those who do not fool themselves about food and diet (and of course know sufficiently well about all this), do not eat socalled supplements. Supplements eat those whose diets are in some regards very wrong.
You put it in your mouth and swallow.
yeah, just like tide pods.
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posted February 25, 2019 02:07 AM |
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Blizzardboy said:
I also wasn't aware this was a debate thread for people who are insecure about their diet to go on a rant about how allegedly horrible veganism is, but sure, why not. Come on in.""
I advise you look up what "ranting" means, and compare its meaning to my writing. Because there are qualities of ranting, and then there are qualities of my writing... two very different things...
You had some compulsion to begin ranting about socalled "vegan" foods... Ranting thread itself is fine I guess, but be honest about it...
Food is something specific, it gives body nutritional value body needs for its correct functioning. And so there is no such thing as "vegan food", because vegans are not some species from separate existence with their own matter-forces-energies, thus neither their own kinds of foods. Vegans are people here in this world, in general structure and functioning same as other locals. So how about calling food simply food? Merely because can label whatever and however, does not mean those things are as made-up labels signify.
Also do keep in mind that those "ranters" you speak about, would not be ranting if you did not make this thread to begin with. You began something that has something very wrong about it, and then some people ask relevant guestions and give relevant explanations that you for some reasons hate in rather selfsupressed way. You are not honest, and you try to force it onto others -- this is reason why you get responses you get. Same thing as gay people force their garbage onto others; and both are in fact akin to racism, but perhaps rather opposite of racism, which means severely disrespectfully discluding everyone who does not accord vegan (or gay) cultistic dogma and ways, and shoving it into everyones face. Veganism is akin to severe racism, it's why it is so offensive, why vegans are so offensive and selfsupressedly aggressive. But I don't take offense, instead I give my own explanations (which could be far longer) and maybe ask some questions.
This all here, responses you get, is you doing it to you. You are calling it onto you. And so many other vegans elsewhere... You may be someone who wants good and well, but fooling self and trying to force it onto others in not-immediately-direct way, is not any way to achieve this.
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Conspiracy theory'ish and eccentric.
No, it isn't, it is factual and truthful. Problem is almost nobody ever tries out anything, almost never verify anything for self. It takes true honest personal thinking and trying things out, so to find out how matters really are. Just because in some "official" or such text something is written, still have to personally think it through, and often try it out because thinking alone is not always sufficient.
Or what... if something isn't mentioned in some officially certified text, or cult dogma, then that something isn't and cannot be real? But how did those texts come to be? Someone had to think and try things out and look at something, so to see things and then describe or translate those things into words and then write them down and then shape into book form and then get it certified as "real" by some strangers. Any and all worded information available, is without exception all personal opinions of very many people. Even socalled "scientific rules and laws" are mere opinions of some people.
I advise not to give anyone this "conspiracy theory" attitude garbage... because it's garbage. Those who take before their vision label "conspiracy theory", limit their own views very severely, which also means they limit their own personal progress very severely. Because as soon as that label is before their vision, blocking some information path, then information along that path never gets thought through even little bit, thus remain completely ignorant of this whatever information lying along that path. There are many other similar informational and dispositional blocks that keep people not moving on.
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1) Plant-based eaters have longer lives.
Some few that I recall from having read lots of stuff over some years.
There is someone who lived 125 years old, last century. Ate plants and animals, all raw.
There is someone who lived around 160 years old. Ate plants and animals.
Someone who lived around 180 years, last century. Plants and animals.
Then some other guy around 180 years, some centuries ago. Plants and animals.
Small people somewhere around Afganistan whose average lifetime is around 170-200 years present day. Of course plants and animals.
Some chinese guy who lived 260 years old. I highly doubt he ate only plant stuff...
From socalled historical records people who were born during different centuries, and who yet met and conversed so from this logical conclusion that they lived centuries, and their diets were not only plant stuff (though historical data is very highly corrupted too...).
From socalled ancient texts records of people who lived centuries, some near thousand years, and some who for tens and even hundreds of thousands of years (though I guess common understanding of "human" does not exactly apply to them...).
If body dies, why does body begin natural mummification processes (currently not so much but about 100 years ago was still rather common), purpose of which is to preserve body, to keep from decaying? If it was natural to die and decay then instead would begin processes that speed up decay, but not that slow it down. Which makes it obvious that human body is over long ages accustomed to not die, or not decompose. Growing old is illness, with very many underlying causes that must be solved. Basic logic body to which it is natural to die and decompose, would never even evolve processes purpose of which would be to preserve body after death.
When comparing who is better off, then plant-based eaters have to be plant-based from birth till death, but not that they eat animals and plants till are 60 or 80 or so, and then last however many decades no animals. Because honesty...
And it is quite known that vegans are not always quite so adherent to their own dogma, in other words they tend to cheat in secret... especially those who seem to do well on "vegan diet"...
But, there are some who have actually forced veganistic ways onto their infants and children. This means there are vegans who have killed their own children with veganism. Children who died due to direct result of total deficiencies of some absolutely essential nutrients obtainable only from animals. Also, mother who practices veganism, her breastmilk is completely deficient of those same absolutely essential nutrients. Then children who have severely malformed and retarded lives ruined. Even grown-ups have died due to practising veganism, also severe nervous system and otherwise damages. What does this all say about lifetime and -quality of socalled vegans?
More so that incas or some such people, as I've read from somewhere, were supposedly plant based eaters. That then they degenerated down to ritualistic cannibalism and then died out. Wasn't there so can't be sure, but this in connection to many other things and so it does make sense.
Fooling self without correcting self, leads to failure later rather than sooner.
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2) Plant-based eaters have healthier lives... by a considerable margin
What kind of people are you comparing? I eat animals and plants, and I doubt you could easily find someone healthier than I am (you don't even know how healthy I am, nor very many others). Diet is only one part of many that determine health. Attaining true health is not for weak (most are weak), it cannot be done quickly by simply following some dogmas-rules-scriptures, and it is accompanied by much discomfort while at same becoming ever better. Diet alone in general picture, around 10 years to get it truly corrected there aren't any books/texts/dogmas that tell how to do this; you either find it on your own and succeed, or you don't.
But you are comparing those who eat severely ruined and poisoned and nutritionally deficient "foods". VS vegans who eat less ruined and less poisoned and somewhat more nutritious stuff. You compare only these two and regard conclusion made based on these two to be universal. But there are those who eat far better than even vegans... Total lack of honesty on your side. There are many more ways that are practiced, than only two, more than even three. But as ego is... "me VS everything and everyone else"...
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4) Almost every nutrient the body uses can be found in plants
Same applies to animals...
Or rather.... if you could manage to do something as disgusting as eating insides of stomachs and bowels of animals, then animals have every nutrient in them that human body needs...
fred79 said:
i've heard too many people tell me how marijuana has been helping them with whatever ailments they've had(one in particular had been using a lot of different pills prescribed by doctors, and none of them worked; once they started using marijuana, all their symptoms disappeared). marijuana has helped some of my family cope with different issues and physical ailments; there's a reason why it has been prescribed to people with cancer, as well.
Problem with these substances is that they fool users very easily. I've taken cannabis, I saw what it does, without previously having any bias nor having succumbed to claims that say should let self be and let self go when under influence. If you let self be and go, then is very easy to lose self under influence.
I literally had to burn my willpower more strongly then energetic burning made by cannabis, so to not die internally. Moment it began having its infuence, I recognized what was going on it was trying to rip me apart, internally infoenergetically. So I had to focus on burning done by cannabis and by myself, also focus on avoiding damage from occurring by either of these, also avoid having my attention pulled to irrelevancies extremely dangerous situation as these had to be done at same time, nonstop for about 1 and half hours.
Cannabis and other samelike kill people. They don't kill physically-materially, but energetically and willpower wise; they rip apart soul, burn away feeling-center functionality, and leave ego/brain to dominate. Some lose themselves completely already with first try, others damage themselves severely, rather few manage to keep themselves not knowing about any of this. Personally managed to keep myself and damage aside, but after did have headache for 3 weeks straight.
Whatever health issues people have, absolute fact and truth is that none of those health issues are caused by THC/CBD/LSD or whatever such deficiency. Such deficiencies do not exist. Body does not depend on these substances structurally nor functionally. Body does not need these substances.
What they do is very intensively force active some energy channels of body, and this forcing effect is what makes it seem as if is better. But truth is that whatever caused those health problems, those causes are still there. And this forcing can also cause metabolic damage, because such intense forced functioning also requires more basic nutrients than ordinarily, nutrients people are deficient of to begin with. There are quite many people with nervous system damage due to these substances, despite claims made that they are safe (ego won't admit that is wrong, so ego claims everything is fine).
Reason it gets prescribed to people is because it makes almost none of those people ever solve their actual underlying causes of health problems business, milking money from people by selling them products they do not really need, products that fool them to feel better under influence, products that never actually heal anybody. You are not healthy if you use some substances; those who use substances, are still ill. And those whose body's sensing functions, nervous system, infoenergy system, feeling system are damaged as result thus don't notice their issues anymore, are also still ill, and in fact even more ill than before.
Primary cause of present day health problems is very bad dieting, most people don't eat food but instead worse than garbage.
There are many THC and CBD promoters and marketers, even shrooms and LSD are praised beyond heavens... Why without exception none of them ever talk about actual underlying causes of health problems? Because if they did then nobody would want to use these products -- because why use something against some issue, if that issue and almost all other issues can be solved and newer ones prevented, by merely correcting diet...? Stop eating garbage and start eating food...
Problem is causes creating symptoms. It is simple, solve underlying causes and symptoms disappear because there isn't anything anylonger maintaining them. Instead of regularly unnaturally forcing own body to function "well".
Responsibility for own life includes solving underlying causes. Using extraneous substances so to be able to "live on", is not solving those causes, nor is it getting healthy and well.
fred79 said:
if you set your bias aside and did some digging, you'd know that.
what's funny to me, is that your whole post reads as bias
What you see is not bias, but something else. This something else has no direct word for it in modern vocabulary. It is something beyond modern understandings. From modern perspective it as if contains bias quality, but not all of what makes bias bias, and also contains many other qualities, and all these qualities as one specific quality. There are many things about me that modern understandings cannot comprehend (modern words are merely for describing meaning-forms and qualities, but are not meanings nor qualities themselves, and are quite bad at describing them). I don't keep myself stuck to anything; if at all me and stuck, then stuck to nonstuckness, but even this in not-stuck way.
As to "digging", I've certainly done more than you. Responses contain attitudes, which in turn dispositions, which in turn understandings, which in turn attained knowledge, which in turn what has been done or not so to attain that whatever knowledge or not. Advisably, don't assert to know about something you do not know about know your own reach. This, you not knowing, but attitude wise asserting as if you do know this is bias and very bad one, and almost all have it. Takes some work with self to get rid of it.
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as for the lsd, i'll have to tell you from my own experience, that that's a load of horsesnow. i've taken lsd multiple times, and i suffer no ill effects from it. if anything, it's helped me to understand things more clearly(visions while on the drug notwithstanding).
There are many who've taken these substances, used them for years. But after all these years they still don't get what they truly do. I took cannabis once and immediately saw what it was truly doing, so kept that bad result from occurring. I've seen attitudes and dispositions and sayings of people who have become victims to these, regardless whether cannabis or LSD or shrooms. They are messed up without self being aware of it. And they cannot anymore become aware of it, due to these substances having burned away according infoenergy capability by chemically induced intense energetic burning along rather specific body infoenergy channels. These substances are extremely dangerous, they don't damage nor kill physically visibly, but internally infoenergetically, which manifests in more subtle attitudes and dispositions. In rather very rare cases they can be used for aid, but even then need to know things well and need to prepare self before using.
Has to do with brain/ego and center of body feeling stuff. Ego cannot see itself, and so assumes everything is fine. Quality of ego is "I'm already in heaven", but really isn't even close to it. So whatever aspect of personal life is under domain of ego, is as if "everything is well". These substances show things that cause awe and wonder, which in turn make it very easy to lose self, because focus gets shifted from self to something irrelevant, and so have given self to their influence. Once given self to their influence, they burn without any obstruction, they burn what makes you you.
Things that these substances show, are all practically completely useless garbage. And in fact without use of any such substances, so only on true own strength and will, can become to see much deeper and broader while at same there is practical link to all that is seen. I tried cannabis, saw what it threw before my vision, and none of it reached level that I had previously reached on my own strength.
These substances destroy sense of responsibility for own life, and replace it with egotistical urge to "be on top", if can't keep self from falling victim. Doing something to "be on top" with seeming serious attitude, is outwardly similar to acting out of true responsibility.
fred79 said:
you know what helps with that pesky ego? a good dose of lsd.
because they can be used to attack/destroy the ego
now, i promote the drug to help keep people's egos under control.
LSD, cannabis, marijuana. They do not lessen ego, they elevate ego. They make ego worse. They dumb down feeling by empowering imitation of feeling. Ego cannot do genuinely, but can imitate, and can imitate very convincingly if not sufficiently perceptive and knowing.
artu said:
The guy is simply making up stuff based on how he feels after not eating meat for five days. Its completely subjective.
Do read carefully what has been said, because such as you imply has not been said.
But regarding subjectivity, everything written down is subjective. Even socalled science since beginning of its conception is only opinions of people, and after that opinions of newer people based on opinions of older people.
Whatever written or said, must always be personally thought through, and if needed then personally tested. Instead of simply blindly believing something written because its label is "scientific fact" or "god's word". Only way to truly prove anything, is self to self, instead of waiting after something or someone to tell you how you must feel, think, act, etc.
What I have said is not based on some 5 day trial. But over 6-7 years so far. Facts are facts, truths are truths, regardless whether you are aware that they are or not. Most people are not aware of even most elementary facts and truths cannot get these from any books nor "experts", which becomes glaringly obvious if to actually begin testing out on self to see how matters truly are. Most people don't test out, don't think through, instead prefer to blindly believe and follow and parrot same old garbage. Very easy to follow; not nearly as easy to do on own strength, especially things that haven't yet even figured out exist.
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posted February 25, 2019 08:01 AM |
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fred79 said:
Blizzardboy said:
nummi said:
Supplements... are not food. Whatever chemical-synthetic-processed whatever, is not food. Those who do not fool themselves about food and diet (and of course know sufficiently well about all this), do not eat socalled supplements. Supplements eat those whose diets are in some regards very wrong.
You put it in your mouth and swallow.
yeah, just like tide pods.
Fred gets it.
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posted February 25, 2019 08:01 AM |
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I'm not reading all that ****.
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posted February 25, 2019 08:11 AM |
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Hummus
Avocado
Tomatoes
Red onion
Alfalfa sprouts
Black olives
Quick pickled red cabbage (finely slice and massage with apple cider vinegar and some sea salt)
Cucumbers
Mustard
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posted February 25, 2019 09:19 AM |
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Edited by blob2 at 09:26, 25 Feb 2019.
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Blizzardboy said:
Hummus
Avocado
Tomatoes
Red onion
Alfalfa sprouts
Black olives
Quick pickled red cabbage (finely slice and massage with apple cider vinegar and some sea salt)
Cucumbers
Mustard
Sooo, where is the meat? Just joking, looks mighty fine
Btw as far as non-meat dishes go (although it does contain animal-based produce like eggs or white cheese), did you try our very own ruskie pierogi (Russian dumplings or sometimes pielmieni but we don't use this name as those are a bit different)? It's my all-time favorite dish, especially when made by my mom. And as far as foreign tastes go most people from abroad that I know liked them very much. Keep in mind these are heavy on calories We also have variants with groat, fruits and spinach (especially for you ) to name a few (usually named after their filling). Yummy!
PS: I think those are easy to get in Polish districts back in US.
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posted February 25, 2019 01:34 PM |
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Blizzardboy said:
@nummi
I'm not reading all that ****.
You did yourself a favor. A good chunk of what i read was actually insane. I still agree with him on the whole vegan/vegetarian thing though.
This reminds me of the whole Jeremiah-emo thing, lol. Mostly nuts, with some good points that i agreed with.
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posted February 26, 2019 08:46 AM |
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I grew up eating perogis. They're popular in different parts of the States.
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posted February 26, 2019 08:52 AM |
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My favorite vegetarian meals.... are what typically eats the vegetables  lol
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posted February 26, 2019 09:05 AM |
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Blizzardboy said:
As far as the ethics goes, I wouldn't say eating animals is an intrinsically "bad" thing per se, but it is I believe increasingly unnecessary and I think eventually it will become seen as unethical or at the very least as silly.
Hm, I always thought the main reason people go vegan is ideological due to the horror going on in slaughterhouses, and that one being able to survive without eating meat as on the side. I often come up with the question of eating an animal you knew lived free or well, that you killed yourself. Up to now every vegan or vegetarian I asked that question replied to me they would probably eat it. What about you Blizz?
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posted February 26, 2019 12:31 PM |
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gorman said:
My favorite vegetarian meals.... are what typically eats the vegetables lol
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posted February 27, 2019 04:10 PM |
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@Galaad:
No, I don't eat meat or dairy.
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posted February 27, 2019 04:17 PM |
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Vegan Jackfruit Nachos! Jackfruit is a versatile and delicious plant from Vietnam and one of my personal favorites. One of my students from over there introduced me to it and I've loved it ever since:
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posted February 27, 2019 07:27 PM |
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just made for Fat Thursday tomorrow...
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