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Heroes Community > Tournament of Honor > Thread: HEROES IV rocks/sux ?
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a100pieces
a100pieces


Adventuring Hero
posted May 04, 2002 06:56 AM

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why start a thread with does H4 rock/suxs when ur not interested in half the opinions


You have a good point there, lol.
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Mocara
Mocara


Famous Hero
what?
posted May 04, 2002 09:11 AM

Touche for midnight's post.

This thread is stupid.

All these people that say they love it so much..where have they been all these years?

They will hate it again in a few months when they are on to their next game.

-Mocara
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Undead_Knight
Undead_Knight


Known Hero
Hero of Chaos
posted May 04, 2002 10:03 AM

during these years these ppl were very little kids and AI of heroes 3 was too hard for them,  now they like heroes 4 because they can win with hardest difficulty
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DElyMyth
DElyMyth

Tavern Dweller
posted May 04, 2002 10:10 AM

Don't know if it's because I didn't play heroes for a long time, but I found it easier in heroes3 than in 4...
I mean, in 3 I could win in normal difficulty, and now sometimes I've got problems in "novice"

Can someone get me a good teacher?

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bestanden
bestanden


Adventuring Hero
posted May 04, 2002 10:24 AM

stupid thread

This "stupid thread" and others like it is a harmless time waster and stress release (tried smoking crack but that just gets me all wound up and gets expensive after awhile to boot).  Today at work was a killer, with all of my many bosses pounding on me to PRODUCE; it was nice to escape here every once in awhile to look at the funny icons people choose, to read the totally weird things people say, and to talk about playing a game. Yeah I'm easily amused, granted.

Maybe you could direct us to some of the threads that are not stupid, and more beneficial to humanity as a whole... here on the Heroes of Might and Magic fantasy computer game boards...LOL.

Also, I havent been here in the prior years because I've always had crappy modems and bad connections.  Part of the reason I work 12+ hour days is to afford cable. Until I die from chain-smoking while playing this game, I'll be sticking around.  I'll bet there are many others like me here (except for the chain-smoking part hopefully, hack-hack).  

They could screw us on the MP and future support, but I'll go out on a limb now and bet they won't.  The HOMM franchise is 3do's "crown jewel."  As incompetent as they are, they'll protect it.  This is going to be a great MP game.  The first patch is pretty good... couldn't even install some of my all time favorite games in the past until the second or third patch. Wait and see what the master mapmakers do with this before passing judgment.
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Dismay
Dismay


Known Hero
Dark Knight
posted May 04, 2002 10:28 AM

Homm4  harder than HOMM3  for 100% u can ask anyone
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Mocara
Mocara


Famous Hero
what?
posted May 04, 2002 11:39 AM

Yes it is harder.

Harder to like.

In fact it's impossible.

It's also harder to play a bugfree game.

Much harder.

-Mocara
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Dismay
Dismay


Known Hero
Dark Knight
posted May 04, 2002 12:09 PM

u got the patch?
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Undead_Knight
Undead_Knight


Known Hero
Hero of Chaos
posted May 04, 2002 01:11 PM

patch didnt bring multiplayer and didnt fix dumb AI. the most funny is those that if u will try to play heroes2,heroes3 and heroes4 u will see that AI is most smart in heroes2 and most silly in heroes4. Seems to me only in heroes1 AI was more stupid than in heroes4.
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Dismay
Dismay


Known Hero
Dark Knight
posted May 04, 2002 01:30 PM

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patch didnt bring multiplayer and didnt fix dumb AI. the most funny is those that if u will try to play heroes2,heroes3 and heroes4 u will see that AI is most smart in heroes2 and most silly in heroes4. Seems to me only in heroes1 AI was more stupid than in heroes4.


Homm4 got the smartest AI  what u talking about heroes2 ??
they was attacking u (even u was ally)
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Undead_Knight
Undead_Knight


Known Hero
Hero of Chaos
posted May 04, 2002 02:56 PM

if the smartest is to not pick resourses, dont take undefended mines, lose all movement points by adding few units moved from city and attack again and again 1 neutral army that u will never beat then u are right
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Madriver
Madriver

Tavern Dweller
posted May 04, 2002 05:04 PM

AI is not good

Watch your computer ally in the last order campaign scenario...he just sits there around his castle, never expands. The superpowerful enemy is also in the same location with tons of creatures and never goes up to beat the ally.
This was the map where I really saw the AI play and it is pathetic.
I couldn't get enough of Heroes 3, even when offline I would play single scenarios sometimes. Now, I finished the campaigns and have no interest in playing H4 anymore. I'm hoping multiplayer will spark my interest again, otherwise I'll go back to H3, the classic tourny will be very popular.

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madmartigan
madmartigan


Bad-mannered
Famous Hero
who will never walk alone
posted May 04, 2002 06:04 PM

AI

in dictionary AI: Artificial Intelligence

in homm4 AI: Artificial Idiot

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return_of_soth
return_of_soth


Known Hero
Undead Slave
posted May 04, 2002 06:25 PM

yes the AI is dump but what did u all expect that it whould play like humans mann now you a the dummies!! most of us only waits for the multiplayer patch so wy give a damm how the AI plays like
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ScareCrow
ScareCrow

Tavern Dweller
posted May 04, 2002 09:21 PM

Quote:
Touche for midnight's post.

This thread is stupid.

All these people that say they love it so much..where have they been all these years?

They will hate it again in a few months when they are on to their next game.

-Mocara


Mocara,

I value your opinion...and I did just recently discover this heroes site, but I have been playing heroes for years just like everyone else.  I look forward to playing Heroes IV on-line, and meeting alot of new and interesting people.
I really don't think it is productive to rip on people with opposing view points.  I would rather discuss what we like and don't like about the game.  I would find it more interesting to see your view point on what they should have kept from heroes III in heroes IV.  For example;  I wish we would still be able to select what heroe we want at the start of the game, and I would still like each heroe to still have a special ability or bonus.  I could go on, but this is probably more suitable in another post.  

As far as whether Heroes IV rocks or sux.  I am somewhere in between right now, but am very optimistic for the future.
Maybe some of my optimism will spread.  I hope so it would be a shame not get an opportunity to compete against you in Heroes IV.  Oh well,  I may just have to play a few Heroes III games on-line..if you still don't like Heroes IV after the MP patch.
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rychenroller
rychenroller


Promising
Supreme Hero
posted May 04, 2002 11:48 PM

I played heroes 4 for about 3 hrs before i got bored. I tried giving it another chance, but it is hard. Heroes 3 gave me hundreds of hours of entertainment, even against the AI and I rarely got bored. So my opinion is that it sux. I dont have to give reasons why, because I cant bring myself to play it.

I would like to hear what more of the ToH veterans think of it, the people who could see the amazing strategy that was involved in Heroes 3 and seems totally lost in heroes 4. What do those people think now after more than a month of gameplay.
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attila
attila


Known Hero
Young Warrior
posted May 05, 2002 01:00 AM

It was hard 4 me at 1st then i played Jbs maps there alot

better than the 3do Maps .  In a way its good u cant

chain 2 much because in h3 u can chain everything like a

whole maps lenght in one day.  In one day thats like 100

miles theres no way 700 skeles could get that far in one

day

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Mocara
Mocara


Famous Hero
what?
posted May 05, 2002 09:07 AM

Rychen I too am waiting for a veteran to tell me what I've missed.

I want so badly to hear someone say something and the lightbulb go off in my head and then I say "OH YEAH!! NOW I SEE IT!!!"

But noone says anything.

All the vets say 'I hate it'. All the newbs say 'I love it' but noone says much about strategy.

Scarecrow that's a good post you made. Let me try to answer it.

In heroes3 you could space heroes to clear areas and set traps....this is removed from heroes4.

Is removing a strategy positive?

In heroes3 we had 14 different units per town. And units grew once per week which created tension and urgency to build. Now we have 4 and no urgency.

Yes upgrading was important. It added a huge level of strategy. For example one might say "Do I go for green dragons week1 or Unicorns and citadel? Or do I upgrade to grand elves day2 and clear the map fast to get a financial edge?

Advanced players usually knew the optimal answer to such questions. Now we do not have those options.

Heroes in heroes3 had personality. IN h4 they are all the same.

How exciting it was to try to spy and see what kind of hero your enemy was building and try to hide your hero...trying to counter his hero.

"Oh he is building Neela..then maybe I should not build Crag...instead I will build deemer up...oh no..he has recanters too...damn" etc

THEY TOOK ALL THAT OUT!!!

In H3 the units were cartoony but had tons of personality. In h4 they are completely lacking that.

Most battles you never even see their faces.

I could go on forever but the point is made.

They dumbed down the game.

-Mocara
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return_of_soth
return_of_soth


Known Hero
Undead Slave
posted May 05, 2002 09:40 AM

yes and thats wy 3do send out a post saying " ITS A HOLE NEW GAME"!!
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Midnight
Midnight


Promising
Famous Hero
posted May 05, 2002 10:57 AM

imo

well i had a pretty good bash at the game and still play it a bit on the side to learn it, but the campaigns dont help, so slow and boring in design and playing the normal maps is pointless since the ai wont put up any fight at all. But here are some of the issues i see:

* cuz u cant chain army around progress on map is very slow.
* as moc said, the build is boring. eg. academy, build genies by about day 3, do a few gold builds then what is left? A few guild builds that u cant use for a week till u get skills up, then wait 2 or 3 weeks for the gold to build titans.
* the wandering stacks is an interesting idea but slows down scouts, dont want anything more to slow the gameplay imo
* turn length will be bad, but i guess lack of chaining might even it out. Using martyr spell and lots of different healing spells was able to take out about 45 minos with 6 crusaders without loss in about... 10-12 minutes. same for splitting genies to get mass slow then mass song of peace for about 7 rounds of battle whilst building an illusion stack, effective but slooow. presume the same for summoned armies, and vampire battles.
* whilst ppl complained about chaining, it did help in the situation u got to a dead end, just chain army back along the line and fight with another hero for a few turns till ur main gets back, now it is a slow wander back doing NOTHING. I cant remember going nothing in H3 ever, ever ever ever, even in the campaigns.

on the upside there is lots of cool spells so the final battle with multiple heroes is gonna be fun, but the problem is getting to that point, just too freaking tedious.

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