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posted April 22, 2021 12:01 AM |
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Not a hard concept to understand, but too hard for some, apparently...
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posted April 22, 2021 12:15 AM |
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Rimgrabber said:
Not a hard concept to understand, but too hard for some, apparently...
Au contraire, if your pp gets hard, then you, sir, are not a woman
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posted April 22, 2021 12:20 AM |
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Rimgrabber said:
That doesn't diminish that their brain chemistry makes them trans, and you should still treat them like a person.
I am like everyone else, I prefer cordial relations over non cordial ones. I didn't yet experienced it, but if a trans tells me "I don't want to force you, but that would make me very happy if you call me by this [...] pronoun", I would do it gladly.
But if he bullies me, like they do so often, invoking discrimination and threatening with authority, 100% sure I tell him to f. off.
The main problem with that bill is the term used : "chosen pronoun". Not biological pronoun, which would make sense if you want to go on the discrimination ground. That opens a much bigger Pandora box, because it validates a personal preference, not based on any scientific fact or reason, to create a compelled speech, thus restrain my constitutional rights.
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posted April 22, 2021 12:23 AM |
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artu said:
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Gender is also determined by hormones and brain chemistry, these are also facts about your body, not “mental concepts” and there are actual people who have reproductive organs of one gender and brain chemistry of the other in various degrees. So it is not binary, in a very physical sense. Evolution isnt some grand design where everything always goes according to plan, you have all sorts of anatomical, neurological, biological anomalies.
No. Our species has two sexes. There's no gender spectrum. It is very much binary. My dog having the weight of a cat does not make it one.
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posted April 22, 2021 12:24 AM |
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Sure, and I agree the law is an issue. All I'm saying is that I think you're misrepresenting it.
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posted April 22, 2021 12:34 AM |
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No, I am only worried about what next. Science evolves fast, tomorrow we will be able to slow aging, by both surgery and hormonal treatment. People will feel younger, then they will ask to be considered as such, no retirement, no menopause, no limits whatsoever. Just one example, how you will refuse them that right after granting it to trans?
I have no problems with natural phenomenons or biological exceptions, but let's not forget a trans is someone who has to go heavy surgery and intense hormonal input - which has to be taken the whole life, in order to claim he is something else. That can be applied to a lot of situations, and to even more in the nearby future. I am only afraid that will easily get out of hand.
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posted April 22, 2021 09:39 AM |
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@ Sal.
There was only a mention that it could theoretically lead to jail time. Also it only affects Canadians who wish to work for the government or other federally regulated industries. Surely this is not the only workplace that requires you to follow their rules? I can find lots of stricter rules if you want to work for certain companies. Nevertheless, I am not a fan of that having such laws, they go too far.
But just as before, I don't find that alarming like you do. Slippery slope just doesn't apply here.
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posted April 22, 2021 11:21 AM |
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Gandalf196 said:
Rimgrabber said:
Rachel Levine is a murderer who absolutely does not deserve the promotion she's getting, but she's still a woman. Again, brain chemistry like artu said. It's really not that hard of a concept to understand.
If you truly believe that what you said to correspond to factual reality, you're as mentally ill as Richard Levine.
FTFY. At least I think he was named Richard before succumbing to mental illness.
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artu
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posted April 22, 2021 05:20 PM |
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Gandalf196 said:
No. Our species has two sexes. There's no gender spectrum. It is very much binary. My dog having the weight of a cat does not make it one.
That must be the worst analogy ever but I wouldnt expect a better one from you. The only binary thing without a spectrum is your capability in reasoning, it’s not 1. There are already enough studies and articles that had been linked about this here, for people who are actually willing to learn about it. Since, your agenda is trolling and flooding as usual, I wont bother to link them once again.
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posted April 22, 2021 06:41 PM |
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Then deaf  you can't say handicap deaf. The Bible invented sexes, deaf, marriage, etc
Those are sexy. Don't think only sexes are sexy.
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posted April 22, 2021 07:10 PM |
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artu said:
Gandalf196 said:
No. Our species has two sexes. There's no gender spectrum. It is very much binary. My dog having the weight of a cat does not make it one.
That must be the worst analogy ever but I wouldnt expect a better one from you. The only binary thing without a spectrum is your capability in reasoning, it’s not 1. There are already enough studies and articles that had been linked about this here, for people who are actually willing to learn about it. Since, your agenda is trolling and flooding as usual, I wont bother to link them once again.
No. There are only two biological sexes (and there's no room for disagreement here). What is under contention is the assertion of gender expression. However, even there you can only call a biological male a woman if you strech the concept of woman to include individuals who self identitify as women. And, while there may be political reasons for doing that, there are 0 scientific reasons for doing so. The infinitesimal differences in brain chemistry, hormones, etc. are merely statistical discrepancies. That has always been the case and, before the pressure from Big Tech, MSM and even the Government, scientists would never ever cling to such a ludicrous hypothesis that there as many genders as Tumblr accounts.
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posted April 22, 2021 07:21 PM |
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posted April 22, 2021 07:24 PM |
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um...
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Hermaphrodites...
That ain't a third sex...
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posted April 22, 2021 07:26 PM |
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Worm too.. religion is snow!
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artu
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posted April 22, 2021 07:34 PM |
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That doesnt even make sense according to your own statement, because then, you should have said "there are only two sexes but there is a gender spectrum." Pronouns are about identity, not chromosomes. That's why animals usually used to be called "it," their gender didnt matter, although they obviously had sexes.
Putting aside obvious, anatomical level cases like hermaphrodites, what is "mentally ill" would be to label neorological and hormonal effects as "political." I guess, that must be the reason why many ancient languages have also more than two gender pronouns, they must have been trying to sound politically correct in the future.
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posted April 22, 2021 07:54 PM |
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artu said:
Pronouns are about identity, not chromosomes.
Doesn't look like is set in stone at all.
Him definition at Cambridge
Him definition at Collins
Both define this pronoun, as well as all the others, as tied to gender/sex, male/female.
What defines the sex?? Genetic factors define the sex of an individual. Women have 46 chromosomes including two Xs and men have 46 including an X and a Y. The Y chromosome is dominant and carries the signal for the embryo to begin growing testes.
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posted April 22, 2021 08:11 PM |
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That's why gender and sex are two different words Sal. One is open to semantic shift, like "what is it be French" is open to semantic shift. You dont have to be a Frank, to be French anymore, do you.
And what does it even mean to call it politics? Are there people who go through painful and dangerous surgery to change their sex? Yes. What was their gender before the sex change operation. Why did they have the operation in the first place, because the gender didnt fit the sex. Language is a construct that purely operates on consensus, there is no external causality between the sound "rock" and a rock. If enough people decide that the sound rock defines rocks, it does. So, since gender is abstract to begin with, unlike chromosomes, if enough peoplecagree to call trans people with a pronoun called zu, they will be called zu, what is the big deal?
Yes, there is a thing called being overzealous about it but that is about political climate, not the principles of language. Gender is semantics, and I see no reason to be uptight about calling someone he or she or zu as they see fit. Why the drama?
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posted April 22, 2021 08:13 PM |
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Hmm...
artu said:
That's why gender and sex are two different words Sal.
Don't forget this is true for English, not necessarily other languages.
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Salamandre
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posted April 22, 2021 08:21 PM |
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artu said:
I see no reason to be uptight about calling someone he or she or zu as they see fit. Why the drama?
There is no drama if it depends on courtesy and free choice. It starts to be a drama when you are required by law to do so, the penalty consisting in locking you. I see no example in past history of such compelled speech, when you are required by law to call something this and not that. Do you have any?
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posted April 22, 2021 08:41 PM |
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Not constituitonal level laws no, and as far as I know, there still isnt, in countries with free speech. It is not illegal to call someone he or she in the sense that they will lock you up for just saying so. There can be regulations regarding institutions but that's not specific to gender is it, can a professor call his black students the n word for instance? The whole thing just feels overblown to me.
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