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Gandalf196
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posted April 23, 2021 01:13 AM |
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artu said:
If you have a penis, but your hormones act as if you have a vagina
Wait, wait
How? What?
Man, please, tell me you're under the influence of shrooms. That is not a reasonable discourse for anyone who has been throught kindergarden.
Seriously, speaking to your heart - you must get this thoughts out of your system; they're poisonous and untrue. You're speaking like a flatearther, twisting concepts to fit your delusion.
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fred79
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posted April 23, 2021 01:19 AM |
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artu said:
Dressing is about being a transvestite, being transgender has nothing to do with how you dress. If you have a penis, but your hormones act as if you have a vagina, that’s not because you want to wear a skirt. Hormones are not something you believe, they dont roleplay.
what, exactly, confused you about my post? you seem to be flabbergasted and mentally flailing at this point.
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artu
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posted April 23, 2021 01:25 AM |
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Edited by artu at 01:26, 23 Apr 2021.
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You are the one confusing being a transvestite and being a transgender Fred. It’s not about what you wear, it’s about your brain chemistry. Now, I can quote zillions of studies like this:
A 2008 study compared 112 male-to-female transsexuals (MtFs), both androphilic and gynephilic, and who were mostly already undergoing hormone treatment, with 258 cisgender male controls. Male-to-female transsexuals were more likely than cisgender males to have a longer version of a receptor gene (longer repetitions of the gene) for the sex hormone androgen, which reduced its effectiveness at binding testosterone. The androgen receptor (NR3C4) is activated by the binding of testosterone or dihydrotestosterone, where it plays a critical role in the forming of primary and secondary male sex characteristics. The research suggests reduced androgen and androgen signaling contributes to the female gender identity of male-to-female transsexuals. The authors say that a decrease in testosterone levels in the brain during development might prevent complete masculinization of the brain in male-to-female transsexuals and thereby cause a more feminized brain and a female gender identity.
A variant genotype for a gene called CYP17, which acts on the sex hormones pregnenolone and progesterone, has been found to be linked to female-to-male (FtMs) transsexuality but not MtF transsexuality. Most notably, the FtM subjects not only had the variant genotype more frequently, but had an allele distribution equivalent to male controls, unlike the female controls. The paper concluded that the loss of a female-specific CYP17 T -34C allele distribution pattern is associated with FtM transsexuality
Or, I can ask you a very simple question? Why are there gay sheep?
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fred79
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posted April 23, 2021 02:51 AM |
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i'm not confusing anything. you're pulling nonsense out of your ass and acting like you don't know exactly what i'm referring to. i'm not being cryptic, i'm being straightforward. you act like i don't know what i'm talking about, and you're deliberately switching gears and not staying on-subject. stop being dishonest and make an attempt to actually argue your bs stance, instead of posting erroneous content that isn't even your own words, as a reply.
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artu
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posted April 23, 2021 03:26 AM |
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I know what you are referring to, I know you are uneducated about what you are referring to, I know you are unaware that you are uneducated about what you are referring to, I even know you think of that as people trying to play tricks against you. My very own words.
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fred79
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posted April 23, 2021 03:31 AM |
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sure thing, guy. avoiding facts, and my point, by trying to insult me. for an insult to stick, you have to be right.
which you're not. sugarplum.
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JollyJoker
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posted April 23, 2021 06:54 AM |
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Fred- seriously, you are not even here. You vowed to not discuss here anymore - and now look at you how at it you are, yet again.
That's the behaviour of an addict, fred.
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fred79
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posted April 23, 2021 07:57 AM |
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JollyJoker said:
Fred- seriously, you are not even here. You vowed to not discuss here anymore - and now look at you how at it you are, yet again.
That's the behaviour of an addict, fred.
plain and simple facts really bothers you people, doesn't it? is this why every arguement with your kind results in nothing but attacks? just face reality, it's not difficult. grow up, act like adults, and face reality. your behavior is ridiculous. it undermines you and everything and everyone you associate with. these fantasies you have of the world are beneath you.
btw, don't think for a second that you aren't transparent, here. people here are smart enough to understand what your goal with your post here was.
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blob2
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posted April 23, 2021 09:02 AM |
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Edited by blob2 at 09:25, 23 Apr 2021.
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So some of you are ok with easy access to hormone therapies for teenagers who are struggling with their identity? Because teenagers are so "stout" in their decision-making, especially when they see something in social media... or parents of 3 or 4 year olds, who decide for them based on some behavioral patterns?
Imo the issue with accepting or tolerating "people for who they are" is one thing and I believe most civilized people do so (or at least pretend). A big problem is the encouragement and trivialization of gender swapping, which at the very least is trifling with your organism. They can also be "misdiagnosed" and have another instance of dysphoria, so careful consideration should be taken into account.
Why does no one talk about people who regret going through therapies? https://www.news-medical.net/news/20191007/Hundreds-of-trans-people-regret-changing-their-gender-says-trans-activist.aspx.
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fred79
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posted April 23, 2021 09:14 AM |
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i'm willing to bet that's where a large chunk of the suicides come from: post operation regret. that's a hell of a thing to have done to yourself.
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Kipshasz
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posted April 23, 2021 09:20 AM |
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Edited by Kipshasz at 09:29, 23 Apr 2021.
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fred79 said:
i'm willing to bet that's where a large chunk of the suicides come from: post operation regret. that's a hell of a thing to have done to yourself.
no, all suicides come from evul raycyst transphobe trump supporting bigoted browshirt nazis like us, who relentlessly bully trans people since birth.
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posted April 23, 2021 09:59 AM |
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Try ts-gay! When penis to your anus doesn't pay extra. If you are cheater to her anus, it also no extra. Hmm true I don't know about ts. But how we call her? Shemale! I'm always knowing shemale, our school was sexual education or once I said ts, some woman fixed shemale in a bar. Maybe I understand that ts are visited doctor for sex change. Shemale doesn't need sex change, because real penis has working well. If shemale goes to doctor, then shemale needs LGBT.
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artu
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posted April 23, 2021 11:39 AM |
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Edited by artu at 12:09, 23 Apr 2021.
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blob2 said:
So some of you are ok with easy access to hormone therapies for teenagers who are struggling with their identity
I think that would be a “case by case” situation to comment on, easy access and encouragement are different things. I highly doubt any parent would try to force their kid into hormone therapy just for the kicks of it, unless the kid really feels the need to do so.
It’s not hard to guess that the whole process must be a very though thing to go through, even without some people constantly telling you what an abomination you are. Some of them can also feel like they made a wrong decision, that’s not a shocker either, people can even regret having eye surgery to get rid of their glasses, put aside something as life-changing as this. All of these are more reason to treat such situations gently.
The point is, you dont choose your hormones or genes, it’s not some spoiled roleplay fantasy. No one claims it’s an easy thing, on the contrary, it must be quite hard, especially the part when they first realize it and come into terms with it.
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Gandalf196
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posted April 23, 2021 01:36 PM |
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artu said:
I think that would be a “case by case” situation to comment on, easy access and encouragement are different things. I highly doubt any parent would try to force their kid into hormone therapy just for the kicks of it, unless the kid really feels the need to do so.
Right... kids and teens know what best for them. Totally realistic scenario. Besides, it's a trend among Karens and Soccer Moms to come up with a trans child that needs "love and support"... Just read the news, it seems everyday there's news about a new child star (I don't mean Hollywood star, it can be a child model almost nobody heard about before) who identifies with the opposite sex...
Take it from me, transgender children are like vegan dogs - it ain't truly their decision.
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blob2
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posted April 23, 2021 01:40 PM |
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artu said:
I highly doubt any parent would try to force their kid into hormone therapy just for the kicks of it, unless the kid really feels the need to do so.
Then sorry to say but you are naive. In too many cases parents are the ones who bring the most harm as people are idiots. And because we live in an "internet" society they are easily influenced. People who push for liberties forget or pretend to not see how easy it is to manipulate others. Or, on a completely different scale, kids are encouraged to "do what you want". We are ofc not talking about medical cases.
artu said:
It’s not hard to guess that the whole process must be a very though thing to go through, even without some people constantly telling you what an abomination you are. Some of them can also feel like they made a wrong decision, that’s not a shocker either, people can even regret having eye surgery to get rid of their glasses, put aside something as life-changing as this. All of these are more reason to treat such situations gently.
It is. But we live in a scumbag society and if those people won't stand for themselves who will? I remember having a girl in my class who was very "tomboyish" (is such a description even allowed anymore?). She liked to hang around guys and sometimes even acted as one. But I would never say she was of weak character. Someone was having a problem then he/she got the fist  What do you understand by "treating it gently". Gently encourage them? That is definitely not what social media is currently doing... in fact I've even heard sex-change has become a sort of a "fad" in teenager groups. It's disregarded as something serious.
artu said:
The point is, you dont choose your hormones or genes, it’s not some spoiled roleplay fantasy. No one claims it’s an easy thing, on the contrary, it must be quite hard, especially the part when they first realize it and come into terms with it.
People are so-often encouraged to go after their whims even if they themselves aren't quite sure yet what they want. Or to depend on others who don't even go through the same things they are going through. What about people with above-average dysphoria issues? If they have a supportive family that's good, but they still need to build their character, make the "right" (for them) decisions. And the current state of things doesn't help when it is promoted so much. Whatever the case, kids and young adults are definitely not good candidates for such life-changing decisions.
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artu
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posted April 23, 2021 02:47 PM |
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@blob
Look, it’s not like they are making a career decision, “should I be a doctor or a lawyer, hmmm, let me wait.” Your brain chemistry is who you are and the sooner you come into terms with it, the healthier it is. Do you know that transgender people who are rejected and not accepted by their families are 8 times more likely to commit suicide than the ones who are, even before reaching adulthood. Repeat that for a second: 8 times more. Just take a look at the pages here and see how dumb, shallow and offensive people can be about the whole situation. So no, I dont think the overwhelming majority of people who identify themselves as trans are doing it because of some spoiled teenage act or some internet trend etc. They really do have a different bio-chemistry. That’s what scienctific studies also show anyway and you seem like someone who would actually get that, unlike some of our “you have a dick, you have a dick, facts are facts” geniuses here. We live in an era, that identity politics can feel quite tiresome and pretentious at times but that has nothing to do with what most of these people actually go through and I think, it’s a little pathetic to make a fuss about “being forced into calling them he or she” comparing it to the outcasting they go through all their life.
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fred79
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posted April 23, 2021 02:53 PM |
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that's a lot of insults towards people simply pointing out that gender dysphoria is a recognized mental illness that is treatable with medication, artu.
you and the others denying plain facts have no argument. just admit it.
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JoonasTo
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posted April 23, 2021 03:00 PM |
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blob2 said:
Why does no one talk about people who regret going through therapies? https://www.news-medical.net/news/20191007/Hundreds-of-trans-people-regret-changing-their-gender-says-trans-activist.aspx.
Like the most common treatment to excessive or painful periods for girls is hormones to stop them completely? Because that’s a bloody great idea for a growing child.
Compared to that the people who wish to change gender have to go through multi-stage psychiatric process that lasts years before surgery.
So in in the big picture? No.
As for the last point, buyer’s remorse is nothing new. Of course people will regret what they do. They will also regret what they don’t do. Fear of missing out. I know people from all three sides of the coin. That’s why the process is long and arduous instead of fly to Thailand for a day.
The problem is you wait untill adulthood, your body will have fully matured into the sex you started with. You end up with the clowny look Kip mentioned on the first page. To get the best result, you need to start early. Obviously that brings the problems you were thinking of. So that’s why teens have been agreed on as the best of both worlds.
In my non-professional opinion, if you are capable of reproduction as the sex you are, there’s probably a better option out there and you should seek it.
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artu
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posted April 23, 2021 03:08 PM |
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Fred: Being transgender is a mental illness, fact!
- No, that’s not what gender dysphoria means. (Links info quoting The American Psychiatric Association, the main professional organization of psychiatrists and trainee psychiatrists in the United States, and the largest psychiatric organization in the world.)
Fred: Hah, so dressing as the opposing gender is not mentally ill!
- That’s being a transvestite, being a transgender is not about what you wear, it’s about your brain chemistry and hormones. It’s not roleplay. (Quotes scientific studies explaining it.)
Fred: Non-sense, use your own words!
Because that’s what we do to decide if something is a mental illness or not! We use our own words, it’s like writing poetry:
Mentally ill are the left-handed.
Fail to see and you are deluded.
Oh yes fred, now that I use my own words, I can see that being different than the norm is a mental illness. Thanks for enlightening me with the truth.
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fred79
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posted April 23, 2021 03:54 PM |
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are you trying to tell me that transgendered people don't crossdress? because you damn well know that's what i was referring to. you keep up the mental gymnastics, artu. you're still wrong.
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