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Salamandre
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posted March 11, 2022 09:20 PM |
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There was once an infamous Aryan who considered minorities and other races as being good to nothing, thus not worth to survive. If you can't see what "they know to do nothing" implicates, when is followed by "this is how we will win this war" then I can't help.
As for people saying there is context to Porochenko speech, then bring it. You can't just dismiss what we heard by saying "this can't be true, there must be a context and if you don't show it it means it is a lie".
It's on you to prove what we heard is not what he meant.
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AlexSpl
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posted March 11, 2022 09:26 PM |
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Edited by AlexSpl at 21:34, 11 Mar 2022.
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All-out war against the Ukraine, though? Unjustifiable.
Alas, as we see, you can justify even that and the international community will be "deeply" or "gravely concerned". Then a new Gorbachyov will be born, starting a new cycle.
The moral of this story is that you can't trust this system 
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JollyJoker
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posted March 11, 2022 09:41 PM |
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Salamandre said:
There was once an infamous Aryan who considered minorities and other races as being good to nothing,
He was no Aryan. Or did he have fair hair and blue eyes?
Apart from that you have virtually NO idea what you are talking about. Because that is NOT what the infamous "Aryan" said. Instead he said the Jews were the evil of the world and cleansing them ALL would make the world a better place.
This infamous "Aryan" also decided that there was the superhuman Aryan race and the subhuman Slav race.
And you have the chuzpe to quote this guy wrong and then compare him with that guy?
So because a guy characterized a separatist group supported by another country in the context of the war with "Because they don't know how to do anything" the guy is now HITLER?
Are you completely out of your mind?
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Ghost
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Therefore I am
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posted March 11, 2022 09:43 PM |
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AlexSpl said:
Both Russian and Ukrainian media cannot be trusted.
Vanadia's Freedom! Thus Ukraine won information war.. Russian informations were a violent and jerk.. What news told already.. 
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AlexSpl
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posted March 12, 2022 12:25 AM |
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Edited by AlexSpl at 00:58, 12 Mar 2022.
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They talk about peace, but I'm not sure if they know what it means. Anyway, the seed of hatred is sawn. Did this world really hate Russians? My inner Tibetan monk prays that it's just a bad dream. Do not become victims of propaganda. Russia can't hate Ukraine and Ukraine can't hate Russia. I listened to the speech of Klichko. And I'm now wordless. This war made the world go insane.
Well, I understand why it's like this. But many Russians aren't fighters, they can't fight their own police because Russian police went off the rails. Ukrainian brothers, do you propose throwing bricks at the police when they respond with bullets? Belarus and Russia aren't the US, we don't have the Second Amendment, alas.
And do you think that people who never held AK-47 in their hands can do more that NATO should have done? NATO is just pissed off. Without "off". Let's see how they will be protecting Latvia, saying now that it's not their war.
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Ben80
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posted March 12, 2022 01:53 AM |
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AlexSpl
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posted March 12, 2022 02:06 AM |
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AlexSpl
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posted March 12, 2022 02:13 AM |
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Edited by AlexSpl at 02:41, 12 Mar 2022.
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Media should not write that something was done by the whole nation. E.g. Russia did that, the US did that. Name real people who did that  I think that it will resolve some misunderstanding. This means - list all the voters in your example.
Let both sides ceasefire while listening to this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w47pj1f6mzw
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artu
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My BS sensor is tingling again
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posted March 12, 2022 06:28 AM |
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Edited by artu at 06:29, 12 Mar 2022.
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@JJ
I dont think even back then, they were claiming that every Aryan was supposed to be blonde and blue-eyed. The word was used similar to Indo-european since 19th century. The hypothesis was that the Indo-European “race” came from a region that is Iran and North India in today’s world. (Aryan and Iranian are of same etymological origin.) Pretty sure, Hitler also considered himself one, not a Slav or an African.
They are all moot arguments according to today’s genetics anyway. We are all hybrds.
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yogi
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of picnics
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posted March 12, 2022 08:27 AM |
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JollyJoker
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posted March 12, 2022 09:34 AM |
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artu said:
@JJ
I dont think even back then, they were claiming that every Aryan was supposed to be blonde and blue-eyed. The word was used similar to Indo-european since 19th century. The hypothesis was that the Indo-European “race” came from a region that is Iran and North India in today’s world. (Aryan and Iranian are of same etymological origin.) Pretty sure, Hitler also considered himself one, not a Slav or an African.
They are all moot arguments according to today’s genetics anyway. We are all hybrds.
Of course they didn't, because then they had to face the truth that most of the leading circle couldn't have been Aryans themselves. They did, however, postulate the IDEAL of the big, blond, blue-eyed, light-skinned open-faced guy, the anti-theses to what Jews were described as (smallish, olive-skinned, dark/oily-haired, pinched face, you know the cliché).
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AlexSpl
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posted March 12, 2022 09:41 AM |
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Edited by AlexSpl at 09:43, 12 Mar 2022.
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Are we really speaking about Aryans? You know why do winds blow? Due to pressure drop. If humanity will keep thinking that some of them are better than the others, we'll never enjoy a calm day.
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ihor
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posted March 12, 2022 04:16 PM |
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Edited by ihor at 20:13, 12 Mar 2022.
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Case Study: How to create a picture that nazism flourishes in Ukraine.
Step 1: Use the controlled no-name "media" and post some fake story.
Step 2: Get the story reposted by popular channels.
Example:
There's this website: https://thejewishvoice.com/ which pretends to be posting some information about jews. However, the website isn't real. Most of the posts under its Twitter account have under 5 reactions.
Article:
https://thejewishvoice.com/2022/03/jewish-refugees-attacked-by-local-ukrainians-report/
Written in clearly propagandistic style, with no sources at all and claiming false information that "hundreds of Jewish families found themselves harassed and beaten by Ukrainians there".
Feedback:
Not long after, authoritative agency Jerusalem Post denied such reports.
https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/article-700748
Ukrainian rabbi Shlomo Wilhelm of Zhytomyr who moved to Israel said:
"This is a complete, utter lie; there were no beatings and nothing of the sort. The only reason we left is this damn war: because of the sirens and missiles that fell nearby. There is no other reason for us to leave Ukraine."
Aftermath:
Who cares that the fake story was debunked? It was already reposted and discussed and everybody who read it, thinks that nazism flourishes in Ukraine. Mission complete, comrades.
This truly happened a couple of days ago.
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AlexSpl
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posted March 17, 2022 12:33 AM |
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Source: Zelenskyy, during a speech in the US Congress
According to Zelenskyy: "The full-scale Russian invasion of Ukraine commenced on 24 February. And it would have been fair if it had ended in a day. In 24 hours. So that evil was punished immediately. Today, the world does not have such tools.
The wars of the past have prompted our predecessors to create institutions that should protect us from war. But... they don't work.
We see it. You see it. So, we need new institutions, new unions. And we propose this one.
We propose creating a union - U-24. United for peace. A union of responsible states that have the strength and consciousness to immediately stop conflicts, and provide all necessary assistance in 24 hours. Weapons if necessary. Or sanctions. Humanitarian support, political support, finance.
In addition, this association could help those who are going through natural disasters, man-made disasters, victims of humanitarian crises or epidemics".
It's a whole new reality.
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AlexSpl
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posted March 17, 2022 12:52 AM |
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Edited by AlexSpl at 01:00, 17 Mar 2022.
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I think that humanity should be ready for any conflict and put it out effectively before it escalates into war. Sounds a bit naive. But is it so? We see that old institutions are full of old farts which are incapable of anything. They are just nominal peacekeepers when in our reality conflicts need a real immediate response. Not that, delayed and strongly criticized one, which we are now witnesses of. This world needs a strong hand. And I officially propose the US to be the judge and punishing hand. We need a world police and someone should take on the corresponding responsibilities. Stop wars before they begin - should be the motto of this new world police.
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AlexSpl
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posted March 17, 2022 01:40 AM |
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Why the US? They welcome people from the whole (!) world and make them the US citizens, they make them Americans, equals amongst equals! Name another country which is multinational to this extent? You can poke at America's flaws, but the log will always remain in your very eye. The US were the first country which intoduced Liberty (while in most other languages there is no difference between Liberty and Freedom), and their original unprecedented Constitution lies at the foundation of the constitutions of many countries, in other words, it had been plainly xeroxed. The US wellfare program defends people much better than programs in the so-called social-oriented countries. Actually, you can even die here from hunger (!) And this machine will go forward crushing you with its cruel wheel. So, if you compare countries, compare them being unbiased. Alas, it's not possible for those who spend their whole lives in Kemerovo.
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AlexSpl
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posted March 17, 2022 03:11 AM |
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Edited by AlexSpl at 03:13, 17 Mar 2022.
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NATO officers looking at radar while drinking Stolichnaya:
Hey, look, this Boris Ivanov has lethal weapons on his board. Yeah, they are pretty heavy. Should we down him? No, I think he is already downed by our forces. Really? Yeah, look here... Remember, in this war we are all Ukrainians. Have you ever been to Russia? Yes, two years ago. Nice people but, you know, some of them share the idea of being the *firstest* nation of the first. Is it bad? I don't really think so, they just don't understand that their dreams are also NATO dreams. Do you really think NATO will attack Moscow? Well, who knows, in our times all is possible, Kolyan. Chin-chin.
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Minion
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posted March 19, 2022 03:12 PM |
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A message to Russian people
This is a strong message.
While Ukraine is digging mass graves, MASS GRAVES, some Putin apologists like Salamandre try to muddy the waters to favor this bloody autocrat. Don't be fooled.
Humanity must prevail. Ukraine must prevail. Ukraine WILL prevail!
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"These friends probably started using condoms after having produced the most optimum amount of offsprings. Kudos to them for showing at least some restraint" - Tsar-ivor
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Ghost
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Therefore I am
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posted March 19, 2022 07:13 PM |
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Yeah Russian legendary misfortune!
1.) Ice Hockey Olympics FIN won Russia.
If you've seen history..
2.) Putin
It's enough.. No more!
3.) Why you want to know more?
I said enough..
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ihor
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posted March 20, 2022 08:54 AM |
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Edited by ihor at 08:58, 20 Mar 2022.
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@Minion
That's a great video by Arnie, I was also thinking about posting it here. Thanks!
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Another funny thing is that regardless of the talks, Russians are now de-facto living in Nazi-similar regime. Look yourself how close is that.
Here's an article from Brittanica: Nazism
And here're these same words adapted for the Russian situation.
Ruschism’s roots lay in the tradition of Russian militarism and discipline and Russian World, which celebrated a mythic past and proclaimed the rights of the exceptional individual over all rules and laws.
Ruschism’s ideology was shaped by Putin’s beliefs in Russian slavic superiority and the dangers of West. It rejected liberalism, democracy, the rule of law, and human rights, stressing instead the subordination of the individual to the state and the necessity of strict obedience to leaders. It emphasized the inequality of individuals and “slavic people” and the right of the strong to rule the weak.
Politically, Ruschism favoured rearmament, reunification of the Soviet Union, expansion into non-Russian areas, and the purging of “undesirables,” especially the Ukrainian nationalists.
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