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posted February 26, 2022 01:00 PM |
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China "sanctions" are fake news.
One sanction however will make a difference, it is Taiwan's chip and hi-tech exports. All other sanctions are worthless, Russia doesn't care.
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posted February 26, 2022 01:00 PM |
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Yeah. Only thing I read is that China isn't happy about the way things shaping up in the Ukraine - which can mean a lot of things, but they are, at least, pro-negotiating.
It LOOKS like this war might be somewhat costly for the Russians. Netherlands decided to deliver 200 Stingers to Ukraine - if they reach their intended destination, things might get very ugly indeed. France is also at it. And the Russians aren't attacking full force.
In short, it's pretty unclear what everyone actually wants.
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posted February 26, 2022 03:42 PM |
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Noes.. Russians don't kill people.. now's +190 victims..
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posted February 26, 2022 04:12 PM |
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We are taught that the line is drawn when someone uses physical violence. The bad guy is the one to use physical violence first. Over time though, I started disagreeing with that. Some examples can prove this wrong. A guy can have his life ruined by a false accusation of rape. A police officer that gives a testimony against another cop ends up harassed for decades, if not life.
Russia has been painted as the bad guy for decades. False flag assassinations were done, people poisoned and blamed on them. We taught them to just go "screw it, it doesn't matter anyways we'll always be the bad guys no matter what" and now they don't feel bad when using physical violence
In it's quest to look like the good guys, the west has developed many strategies to ruin people's lives without having to use physical violence, and Russia stopped playing that game.
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posted February 26, 2022 04:23 PM |
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THE RUSSIANS ARE NOT PUTIN AND PUTIN IS NOT THE RUSSIANS!
And the Ukraine isn't a Western country. It's basically the same thing than Germany attacking Austria.
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posted February 26, 2022 04:28 PM |
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... Okay but have you considered that the Russians are protesting this unprovoked attack against a nation filled with their relatives and friends? Because the common people and newspapers and journalists and humanitarian groups of Russia are, and they're being arrested by the ruthless dictator's police force for it.
If this is some false flag operation against Putin, then why doesn't his country back him? Why is he acting like some crackpot dictator if he's a benevolent overlord? Why do his political rivals keep ending up imprisoned or dead?
@Elvin: ... God... dang it China... You couldn't threaten to import your wheat from the US surplus for ONE DAY-
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posted February 26, 2022 05:10 PM |
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gnomes2169 said:
why doesn't his country back him?
They do, what about you change your sources, especially when they claim China started sanctions.
50% of russians believe NATO is responsible for the crisis, only 4% believe Russia is the aggressor.
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posted February 26, 2022 05:24 PM |
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posted February 26, 2022 05:48 PM |
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Kayna said:
We are taught that the line is drawn when someone uses physical violence. The bad guy is the one to use physical violence first. Over time though, I started disagreeing with that. Some examples can prove this wrong. A guy can have his life ruined by a false accusation of rape. A police officer that gives a testimony against another cop ends up harassed for decades, if not life.
Russia has been painted as the bad guy for decades. False flag assassinations were done, people poisoned and blamed on them. We taught them to just go "screw it, it doesn't matter anyways we'll always be the bad guys no matter what" and now they don't feel bad when using physical violence
In it's quest to look like the good guys, the west has developed many strategies to ruin people's lives without having to use physical violence, and Russia stopped playing that game.
What you are doing is pleading for revenge. That's base-souled.
Ever heard of "The cleverer give in."?
Are you saying the lifes of millions of russian people have been ruined by "The West"? (*)
Invading Ukraine in revenge for that? Yes?
(*) I mean, do you really believe that? A big world conspiracy against Russia?
Replace "russian" by "german" and "The West" by "The Jews" and you've got what many Germans believed/wanted to believe in the early 1930s and what made them vote for Hitler.
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JollyJoker said:
Says who?
Cant read Russian link but I’d belive that since even in here, a NATO country, almost half the people think actions of NATO were provacative. Ukraine is really like Austria is for Germany to them or like Azerbaijan is to us. Culturally, historically… When it was to join NATO, Russia demanded an assurance of no nukes so near its borders, especially in a country it sees as “one of our own.” And as can be expected, didnt get one, why not? Why did NATO refuse?
Joining countries to NATO is not an act of violence but in practice, it doesnt function much different than an invasion from a military point of view. You are surrounded by potential enemies’ air bases, rocket silos and so on. Some even say this was the NATO (U.S.) move to provoke Russia to attack and force Germany’s hand to outcast them, since they are buying Russian gas.
I’d also believe there are many Russians against the invasion, in countries of millions, you can find thousands of protesters from any point of view and point out “look, it’s how the public feels.” It may not be fake news but it’s cherry-picking to say the least.
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posted February 26, 2022 06:04 PM |
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Except Ukraine never was joining NATO. As Finland was never joining.
You know, just google the Budapest Memorandum. Then check that against the Crimea annexation 2014.
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posted February 26, 2022 06:11 PM |
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Why didn't Russia ever try to apply for NATO membership? Or did they?
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posted February 26, 2022 06:19 PM |
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we've antagonized Russia for decades, and now it doesn't give much of a crap about the social game, because whatever they do, they end up looking like the evil guys anyways.
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posted February 26, 2022 06:19 PM |
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That’s before the 2014 crisis, after that, all cards were on the table. Not joining NATO officially was a technicality at that point. I’m not saying Russia is doing good, go Ivan, go go, btw. Just saying I can understand how a lot of Russians think they were the ones being surrounded, it’s not unbelievable news to me.
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Why didn't Russia ever try to apply for NATO membership? Or did they?
Well, NATO is basically founded because of Russia and against it. That would be quite the irony.
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posted February 26, 2022 06:23 PM |
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Kayna said:
we've antagonized Russia for decades, and now it doesn't give much of a crap about the social game, because whatever they do, they end up looking like the evil guys anyways.
Putin wasn't even antagonised enough. "The West" paid court to him because of economical reasons.
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posted February 26, 2022 06:32 PM |
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The Bible told people hate North King, and worship South King. I know russkyphobia. Don't forget Unkraine wanted Nato against Donbass.
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posted February 26, 2022 07:17 PM |
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artu said:
@JJ
That’s before the 2014 crisis, after that, all cards were on the table. Not joining NATO officially was a technicality at that point. I’m not saying Russia is doing good, go Ivan, go go, btw. Just saying I can understand how a lot of Russians think they were the ones being surrounded, it’s not unbelievable news to me.
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No. 2014 crisis is RUSSIA breaking Budapest Memorandium. BLATANTLY. You can't guarantee borders based on a government (which is what Russia claimed).
Russia is the aggressor since 2014 - note that their Crimea annexation hasn't been recognized. They were not surrounded. They just broke a treaty.
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posted February 26, 2022 08:00 PM |
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It started earlier. Georgia 2008.
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posted February 26, 2022 08:12 PM |
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posted February 26, 2022 08:54 PM |
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wrong, it started in 1917.when a bald retard swindled the masses into his so called revolution.
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