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JollyJoker
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posted January 08, 2023 07:33 PM |
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martingalindo said:
JollyJoker said:
The correct way to do it is shown in Songs of conquest, but H4 was better in that regard as well.
When i played Song of Conquest it has a wait on specific creatures like an skill.
To be honest i found it a lazy approach to the lack of skill imagination.
Besides the game has serious balance problems in units, and lack identity
Has nothing to do with the fact that the game hasn't got a qait command. And those guys who do have it as a personal skill show jow powerful it is.
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martingalindo
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posted January 09, 2023 01:26 AM |
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JollyJoker said:
Has nothing to do with the fact that the game hasn't got a qait command. And those guys who do have it as a personal skill show jow powerful it is.
Yes is powerful but is like giving the defend command to a specif creature, i guess is like a feature but one i would prefer to be for every one or for no one.
Still the other point remains SoC was lacking skills for creatures i guess they shoot 2 bird with one shoot or thats what they think
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JollyJoker
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posted January 09, 2023 08:18 AM |
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SoC is a game in progress, though. And Defend command in HoMM 3 doesn't do much.
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Drakon-Deus
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posted January 09, 2023 08:20 AM |
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OhforfSake said:
Drakon-Deus said:
Do you blame the developers then?
No, I blame you!  
Anyway the auto-save feature is brilliant in a game that has a tendency to crash, though I don't recall it happening much on newer computers.
Sadly when I was much younger I didn't realize this feature, so mad and sad I finally started a new game, and a new game after that, and after that another new game... until one day I found the auto-save feature and of course since there was only one save, all progress was lost anyway.
In my defense I did not speak English very well and this was before the internet, so translations happened by the use of books.. something I never even considered I could do back then.
But in a way it's like a chess game, when you play seriously without the safety net known as take backs, you restrict yourself, but once you have the safety net, you take higher levels of risk because if it blows up in your face, you can reset and retry.
If, like chess, a player divides training from game play, then testing limits, and later apply what you've learned, is a good way to improve, but if it makes a player move without thinking and getting frustrated having to reload the same battle multiple times, because they can't lose it anyway, then I'd find it to become dull quickly.
I see. I had no idea you had this problem. 
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ArdentWyrm
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King of the Elder Dragons
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posted January 09, 2023 05:41 PM |
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Wait?, why is earth magic OP, I mean it sure is good, but OP, why? is casting earth spells at adv. and exp. levels that good, not to me.
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heymlich
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posted January 09, 2023 05:51 PM |
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ArdentWyrm said:
Wait?, why is earth magic OP, I mean it sure is good, but OP, why? is casting earth spells at adv. and exp. levels that good, not to me.
Do you sometimes play factions other than undead? If no, then you don't need earth magic.
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Ghost
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Therefore I am
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posted January 09, 2023 05:56 PM |
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Then you aren't Elite player Your cheat said to me you were Elite.. Earth is OP, but depend on map.. My a few maps* you can't play with Earth, so I'm OP..
*Remote Mountain II (WoG/ERA), 8 Mighty Kings (WoG/ERA), Homecoming (WoG/ERA) and Chaotic Event (HotA).. Hmm Chaotic Event got 1 voting.. Read his comment Balanced - Chaotic Event "Map is appreciated here. All major aspects fit well. Maybe the skills a bit to buffed, considering the map layout, but that's even not a big issue, because hanging with your characters/heroes around building them up can lose lots of territory and such. Maybe the only thing I would change is the level of the shipyard guards. Or at least put few boats to summon. Now, the land looks great, but it's overbalanced, having no native terrain to trick your enemy at.I'd like that as well. 8.5/10 Pleased to play." And then another friend gave comment amusing - Chaotic Event "fun map for a quicky." RARELY OP LIKE SALAMANDRE, ETC Your water, etc was a good for me.. Now GM level.. Because you learn an Earth then.. Interesting..
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ArdentWyrm
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King of the Elder Dragons
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posted January 09, 2023 06:48 PM |
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It's hard to understand that, Ghost, sorry.
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Ghost
Undefeatable Hero
Therefore I am
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posted January 09, 2023 07:49 PM |
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Earth? Town Portal, Quicksand, Force Field and Resurrection.. No Slow  When your Tactics and Dispel or Haste.. I saw your strategy is OP.. In the majority, what? Their Earth without Water.. So asked me how to get a boat.. or YouTube showed their Earth.. and HotA Team removed Sylvia and Voy..
Only Water means Summon Boat, Dispel, Cure, Bless.. Almost "Anti-Magic".. Only Dispel.. If you hate spells..
I'm sorry, when I'm kiddish yet.. When I'm 44yo.. My energy falled down.. Another reason I'm schizophrenia.. So OP is history.. And but in China they meant true OP STRONG..
But ok..
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The_Green_Drag
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posted January 09, 2023 07:56 PM |
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I still play h1 every now and again, as well as h2 and h3. The pros of h1 for me is that it’s the most stripped down version of the game, which makes for a fun experience. All the core elements are there without worrying about things like artifact combinations, hero skills, hero specialty..etc. Faction differences are obvious and effective enough to make playing the same map with a different town very rewarding. Resources and mines had a greater value in these games because of the lack of marketplaces and resource silos.
The only con for me is not enough factions.
H2 I still play for basically the same reasons as H1. I don’t miss the wait command when I play, but maybe it’s just me. Fliers being given unlimited movement in battle was always an interesting gimmick. Hero skills are there but not as ground breaking as h3. Simplified unit stats is also nice. The difference between tier 1 and 2 with tier 6 is like 10 or less stat points in attack and defense. Most hp of units is less than 100. Makes for a quick heroes game in an hour or less.
A con would be the high damage of certain spells.
H3, is the perfect opposite (and h4 for that matter). I play this when I want a more engaging experience with more options and strategies at my disposal, and more to do in general. While it might be a waiting game at times, combat is certainly better than the previous two games.
A con (or maybe a pro for h1&2?) is the increased daily income. I like that in other heroes games that it takes map exploration to be able to afford a week’s supply of units. It takes extreme turtling off the viable strategies list. Forcing the player to explore and actually play the game lol.
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ArdentWyrm
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King of the Elder Dragons
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posted January 12, 2023 11:18 PM |
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still don't understand Ghost, but it's fine, I'll just write my opinion, personally I like air magic a lot, fly, dimension door, chain lightning, view air, disguise and the like, that's why I like it, Oh, and air shield.
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Zaio-Baio
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Famous Hero
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posted January 13, 2023 01:19 AM |
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Main issue of H3 is that you always want the same skills. It doesnt matter what is your town and whats ur opponents town - earth magic, air magic, wisdom, offense, armorer, tactics, logistics and diplomacy rule.
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Drakon-Deus
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Nixonite
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posted January 13, 2023 04:24 AM |
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Zaio-Baio said:
Main issue of H3 is that you always want the same skills. It doesnt matter what is your town and whats ur opponents town - earth magic, air magic, wisdom, offense, armorer, tactics, logistics and diplomacy rule.
Correct.
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Salamandre
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Wog refugee
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posted January 13, 2023 07:29 AM |
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It's not like skills are given, you still have to plan your leveling and wisely pick at the right moment. However only earth magic is paramount to win, considering that diplo is broken so nobody should go for.
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Ghost
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posted January 13, 2023 08:13 AM |
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And then I add on Haste, Precision and Counterstrike are OP.. Other Disrupting Ray, when blinded monster, and you throw a Disrupting Ray to blinded monster.. I can say Precision has the same strategy against legion.. Forget number, think about win.. A good ArdentWyrm! But in HotA, you can't play DD in MP.. If player agree with you, so one time casts DD.. If I remember right.. and again Difficulty Mod AIs are diligent to use DD, Fly.. And I knew you play Air too..  I kept that it depends on the map.. Islander map does Fire poorly.. Then it's Earth (TP), Water (Summon Boat, WW), Air (DD, Fly).. Fastest Water or Air.. If only land without water, underworld.. It's Earth, Air and Fire.. So etc I like Air is OP than Earth.. When my favorite is underworld.. and I don't defend my towns.. I'm using Diplomacy.. I'm more attacker, kill heroes.. Remember land without water, underworld says Earth is OP.. or against legion monsters like Faerie Dragons.. Your few Phoenixes or more speed than Faerie Dragon, Earth with Slow, Anti-Magic and Force Field for your Titans.. You beat the legion Faerie Dragon, I call Earth is OP.. Ok other can't understand the game.. A good ArdentWyrm!
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Drakon-Deus
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Nixonite
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posted January 13, 2023 08:46 AM |
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Salamandre said:
It's not like skills are given, you still have to plan your leveling and wisely pick at the right moment. However only earth magic is paramount to win, considering that diplo is broken so nobody should go for.
That is true also, but you would never pick some skills anyway. Only if you get unlucky and have to choose at level up, like if you get offered Estates or Sorcery, I took Sorcery.
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JollyJoker
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posted January 13, 2023 09:21 AM |
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I'd take Estates, though.
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Drakon-Deus
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Nixonite
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posted January 13, 2023 09:43 AM |
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JollyJoker said:
I'd take Estates, though.
Sure. I would have taken it too if the choice was between Estates and Eagle eye or Learning or First Aid.
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Salamandre
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posted January 13, 2023 10:05 AM |
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Main hero skills are offered early game, so estates owns sorcery because main hero levels fast and those 500 gold come at the right moment. Secondary heroes should also pick estates.
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Drakon-Deus
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Nixonite
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posted January 13, 2023 01:02 PM |
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All righty, next time I shall pick Estates.
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