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Drakon-Deus
Undefeatable Hero
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posted December 13, 2024 10:14 AM |
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Rimgrabber said:
The hydra looks great. I'd rather the infiltrators didn't teleport though.
Ditto.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted December 14, 2024 01:26 PM |
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Edited by Galaad at 13:27, 14 Dec 2024.
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weilan
Known Hero
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posted December 14, 2024 06:47 PM |
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After the latest revelations, I know for sure I will not be playing this game. The art style just looks way off and unappealing, like a mobile game aimed at 12 year olds with 3-second attention spans.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted December 15, 2024 03:58 AM |
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Edited by Galaad at 04:00, 15 Dec 2024.
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weilan said:
a mobile game
Not with these shaders. 
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MurlocAggroB
Adventuring Hero
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posted December 15, 2024 08:35 PM |
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I saw this comment on Steam today that I thought was interesting.
Again, a possible hint that Evil Eyes are replacing Chakram Dancers as Dungeon's tier 3. The cheekiness could just be referring to how the name beholder is copywritten. Alternately, it could be referring to the Worldwatchers showcased earlier this week, which are kinda like beholders but not.
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ANcientDRuids
Famous Hero
(Andruids for short)
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posted December 16, 2024 01:56 AM |
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In the newest soon-to-become canon:
Vori Elves were the original Elves and had a "prime" period that was so prominent that they were known by their motherland henceforth.
And then they settled on Jadame, set up multiple outposts and towns, and Dark Elves are their descendants.
Source:
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Rimgrabber
Promising
Famous Hero
Voice in Gelu's Head
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posted December 16, 2024 06:20 AM |
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I thought that was already canon? Still cool though.
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Ehlesgens-Art
Tavern Dweller
DoR concept art - writing
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posted December 17, 2024 11:54 AM |
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ANcientDRuids said:
Source:
See, that kind of retcon I dislike...
The Vori were always said to have been isolationists and autarkic, taking that away from them makes the conflict around Elvolas and the young fleeing moot at best, kinda stupid at worse. The entire situation involved those who left Vori to be denounced and no longer "vori" as in part of its people.
Imo, that's damaging the pre-established stuff, which I'm against.
They could have called it "Ancient elven ruin" or "Elven exile ruin" if they wanted to imply the Vori were involved, their lore text could even hint at the ruin having been built by exiles from Vori, and they'd have what they were aiming for, without the retcon.
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FirePaladin
Promising
Legendary Hero
DoR Modder
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posted December 17, 2024 03:10 PM |
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@Ehlesgens-Art
Hmm, well-put, I feel the same.
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Enshackling time itself, heralds of the Ancients among their heat-depleted land.... Who could they be, who could rally the beings of the East and the North and control the mortals' fate?
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LordInsane
Known Hero
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posted December 17, 2024 04:49 PM |
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Their intent may be something like "Elves set up on Vori after arriving on the world of Enroth->when settled in, Vori-based elves establish colonies outside Vori->conflict in the colonies causes Vori to lose control over Jadamean (and possibly continental Enroth) colonies->Vori withdraws their remaining loyalists and establishes an isolationist and autarkic policy that denounces elves outside Vori as no longer part of the Vori people->centuries later, Elvolas rebels against the policy, leading the Renegades to AvLee", but that does still seem like a bit of a stretch.
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FirePaladin
Promising
Legendary Hero
DoR Modder
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posted December 17, 2024 05:27 PM |
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It is a stretch, because elves live for hundreds of years, and we are talking about generations of elves who lived in comfort without leaving Vori (mentioned in Elvolas's story). So the excommunication policy was very likely a thing even Before the Silence, and possibly always was. I have doubts that the civilization which predates the Silence was much older than a millennium.
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Enshackling time itself, heralds of the Ancients among their heat-depleted land.... Who could they be, who could rally the beings of the East and the North and control the mortals' fate?
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MurlocAggroB
Adventuring Hero
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posted December 17, 2024 08:11 PM |
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Quote:
The Pure-bloods, more commonly named the Vori Elves or Snow Elves, are the parent race of Elves who dwelled on Enroth, predating and later fathering the Renegades and the Dark Elves. Shuttled to the world by the Ancients through The Crossing, their race gradually relocated to the island of Vori, earning them their common name. Together with the Renegades (or Wood Elves), they were regarded as the light elves.
From the Might and Magic wiki, bold added by me. To me, that sounds like Vori elves were everywhere before pulling back to just Vori, and leaving their descendants in Jadame to become dark elves (and presumably those in Enroth to become the wood elves that live there too). This doesn't sound like a retcon to me, but an expansion of some previously vague lore.
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FirePaladin
Promising
Legendary Hero
DoR Modder
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posted December 17, 2024 09:42 PM |
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There's no source for that info, and it is well-known that mistakes abound in the Might and Magic wiki, so I would not trust it for much other than game quotes.
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Enshackling time itself, heralds of the Ancients among their heat-depleted land.... Who could they be, who could rally the beings of the East and the North and control the mortals' fate?
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MurlocAggroB
Adventuring Hero
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posted December 17, 2024 11:08 PM |
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If you can direct me to something that outright contradicts those ruins existing, I would be interested in reading it. I mean that genuinely, because there is... not much recorded where I can find it. If the Might and Magic wiki is unreliable, then I would greatly enjoy reading a source that is reliable. From what I have been able to find, the deepest that elf lore goes is a story of the children of an isolationist nation fleeing and becoming wood elves, but that does not explain dark elves or where the Enrothian elves came from. To me, it seems like there are major story gaps that this is filling in.
It's also important to mention that the source for the story of Elvólas is presented in-universe as a piece of history passed down by Vori scholars and told to us by an Erathian scholar. We're looking at third-hand information being told from the perspective of a nation where this was a bad thing. I think it would be prudent of them to leave mentions of other colonies out of their history if it's something they don't talk about. If you're going to contradict something with new lore, that's about a shaky of a source as you'll find. Plus, Ylwari says that the dark elves no longer remember why they abandoned their outposts, which means there could be a reason that the Vori elves very suddenly became extremely isolationist.
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LordInsane
Known Hero
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posted December 18, 2024 07:10 AM |
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There are some indication that the original elven settlers likely first arrived elsewhere than Vori ("The Crossing" dialogue in MM6, which is ancient legends but indicated to be a common one, and the Tomb of VARN wall texts in the selfsame game hinting this is the ship used and in so giving credence to the Crossing legend) though that, of course, doesn't indicate the elven relocation to Vori once on Enroth was gradual or universal.
Perhaps, then, an alternate suggestion would be "Elves land on Enroth->many but not all elves move to Vori and set up a polity->as eldest and strongest elven nation, Vori claims primacy over all elves->something causes the collapse of Vori hegemony over Jadamean elves->in response, Vori withdraws inwards and establishes isolationist and autarkic policy->centuries later, Elvolas and the Renegades exile themselves to AvLee". This shrinks the needed period from Landing to Isolation, and I do think it is worth remembering that generations are much shorter than lifespans.
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted December 18, 2024 02:55 PM |
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Something about the new text seems to contradict established lore. It's either the prime of Vori was not under king Sil-Gandir on the snow island but during a precursor period, which means the text is talking about another era in which migration was allowed, an era even more prosperous that no one ever heard about until now. Or it's actually under Sil-Gandir and the ban on migration was not active in the beginning, and Vori could travel to Jadame and establish outposts. Either scenario seems implausible, but dark elves do need an origin story, so...
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FirePaladin
Promising
Legendary Hero
DoR Modder
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posted December 18, 2024 03:43 PM |
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An origin story can very well be written without resorting to that. They could even be descended from Wood Elves. 
That's a very good point about Sil-Gandir, by the way.
OE-wise, they could simply be another renegade group we haven't heard about, and which settled outside of Vori. And regardless of Vori or no-Vori, that still doesn't solve the matter of flexibility and immersion(-breaking) in terms of the object's name.
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Enshackling time itself, heralds of the Ancients among their heat-depleted land.... Who could they be, who could rally the beings of the East and the North and control the mortals' fate?
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MurlocAggroB
Adventuring Hero
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posted December 18, 2024 05:58 PM |
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That's a good point, the name is a little clunky. On the plus side, so far they've been extremely receptive to changing names. They changed Armadillo to Armoured Hound and Albino Dragon to Ashen Dragon after a lot of backlash. If you post your concerns to Discord or the Steam page, I'm sure they'll take it into consideration.
EDIT: Oh, also, that lil cutey dragon-cat-bird thing we've seen in screenshots finally has a name: Kittenhorn!
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted December 19, 2024 02:30 PM |
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MurlocAggroB said:
If you post your concerns to Discord or the Steam page, I'm sure they'll take it into consideration.
+1
I've been keeping an eye on their Discord from a distance, and it looks like they genuinely engage with the fans.
By the way, isn't the secret faction related to ice, or am I off? It might be more significant than it appears.
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Rimgrabber
Promising
Famous Hero
Voice in Gelu's Head
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posted December 20, 2024 12:53 AM |
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The secret faction does seem to be some kind of ice themed cosmic horror deal. Maybe the vori ruins aren't actually vori, but that's a common in-universe misunderstandng and they're actually related to the ice faction? I always thought that the cosmic horror potential of the ancients was really underutilized.
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