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RobinHood
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posted June 27, 2002 02:51 PM |
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Yeah ! Go on Germany !
Jens Jeremies will try to substitute Michael Ballack, I hope he'll achieve. I like this player. I'm also happy that we have a normal final with 2 strong team.
Perhaps they were the only top ten teams that everybody said "they have an handicap" before the competition.
Germany : lots of injuries
Brazil : weak defense & they made poor qualifications
Perhaps there moral were boosted because of that.
I must admit that Germany had quite "easy" 6 matchs before coming to the final. But they made them well : only 1 goal for Oliver Kahn !!! He is THE man of WC 2002 !
Go on Germany ! If you win, Ballack or Kahn have a chance of being the next best player after Owen, Figo, RIvaldo and so on... 
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Sir_Stiven
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posted June 27, 2002 08:37 PM |
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I wouldnt say that the brazil defence has been weak, to me it has been great atleast. The way they defended against England was superb for example. Lucio is a really interesting player, i wonder which big club that will buy him this or the following season...
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hamsi128
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posted June 27, 2002 10:15 PM |
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lucio is in a big club stiven he is yýldýray teammate
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Athimus_Phaeni
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posted June 28, 2002 05:34 AM |
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The only hope for Germany is Kahn.
So sorry guys, but Brazil will win.
And so I am gonna win this game.
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Sir_Stiven
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posted June 28, 2002 09:17 AM |
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Hamsi...yeah, Leverkusen made Champions league finals and they played very well. BUT they are still a small club compared to for example Real Madrid, Manchester Utd and Barcelona. When one of these clubs will make an enquiry about Lucio i find it really hard that he will stay for long. Sure he might stay for a season or two still if he really likes Leverkusen as a club which i think he does but in the long run? nah, he will be looking for some european silverware. He seems ambitious enough for that and Leverkusen doesnt have it in them. They had one great season but unfortunately i think thats about it. And if i aint got wrong info they are selling some of their top players as we speak...to some bigger clubs.
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hamsi128
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posted June 28, 2002 10:07 AM |
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you're right .... galatasaray won uefa and super cup but its a big club only in turkey ... these kind of clubs(leverkursen,gala) are cursed... after GS won the cup every biggest clubs taked our good players lol.. emre and okan to inter , hakan first inter then parma , hakan unsal to blackburn ...
Once , real or inter were biggest clubs with their past but now their greatness is with the amount they have, and nothing wrong on it... professional football killed amateur soul...
i still prefere ''the real biggest clubs'' like AJAX who prefere to create good players rather then to buy from another club
p.s. newcastle is also biggest club in this case uhhh .... shearer was on blackburn did he ? 
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Sir_Stiven
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posted June 28, 2002 02:52 PM |
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hehe actually Shearer is a geordie (born&raised in Newcastle), and there has been plenty of our great players from Newcastle aswell like Peter Beardsley and Paul Gascoigne to mention a few. As it is now only Hughes&Shearer are geordies from the starting eleven. But one thing that SirBobby Robson is really good at is bringing the best out of his players...Nolberto Solano and Kieron Dyer are two excellent examples of this. Both has been really promising but they hadent got that BIG breakthrough until Sir Bobby became manager.
Anyways, back to subject. Like you mentioned galatasaray have also been an example of this: A big club hits in europe and all of a sudden all the really big clubs wants some of the biggest names in that squad. Galatasaray is just one of many teams that have been struck by this, as i mentioned earlier its Leverkusens turn now. As i see it the only way to fight this is to have really loyal squad members, Leeds didnt lose any of their top players after their Semi Final in CL season for example. Although it seems like Leeds are really short on cash now and yesterday O´Leary got sacked. Will be really interesting to see which players they will offload. I just hope they dont sell Ferdinand to Man Utd.
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Athimus_Phaeni
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posted June 28, 2002 03:15 PM |
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I think that is the main problem in european soccer, only a few teams have a lot of money and the "destroy" the other teams. You see almost no competition in the Spanish Campionship or England. It is always the same teams that win the season: Barcelona, Real Madrid, Deportivo, sometimes Valencia and others. Because of this the only good league in Europe is the Champions League. I see no fun in that. In Brazil there are a lot of teams that can win the Brazilian Championship, and each year a small club does a great campaign, it is impossible to say that this or that team will win easily.
I don´t have much information about the european teams, but this is my point of view.
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RobinHood
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posted June 29, 2002 01:15 AM |
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You know what ? In Champions League always the same teams win too… Real Madrid, Manchester United, Bayern Munchen. Last 5 years, this 3 teams win the competition and they are the 3 biggest club (I’m talking about money) in the world.
However I agree with you ! Chapions League is enjoying… for middle european team like Newcastle, Galatasaray or PSG (not this year, but next ;P ) Sometimes they make great things ! But at the end, always big clubs win. It’s like Stiven said before : “Champions League is a funny game, you worked hard to play it, you play it for 2 rounds and after you look at the clubs over 100 000 000 € win it.”
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Aaaaaaaahhhhh !!!
To Hamsi : Don’t make anymore this mistake in front of me !!! ;P
BAYER LEVERKUSEN and
BAYERN MUNCHEN
Bayern is the name of a “land” in Deutschland, and Bayer is the brand of a company which sells pharmaceutic products.
To Stiven : I agree. Lucio is a very good player ! I like him ! Too bad he doesn’t come to Bayern with his colleagues Ballack & Ze Roberto…
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Nebuka
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posted June 29, 2002 02:07 AM |
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Korea - Turkey home win
Brazil - Germany draw
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Sir_Stiven
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posted June 29, 2002 01:05 PM |
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What you guys has been saying is completely true, the biggest clubs around off course stands the best chance at winning. But dont forget that you have to stay as one of the biggest clubs too and thats the problem. A very good example of this is AC Milan. About ten years ago they were outstanding in both Italian league and europe, they had success followed by success. They had world class players like Brain Laudrup on the bench, players like Van Basten, Gullit and Rijkaard did wonders out on that pitch. But take a look where they are now and how long it was they got a big title. Everything changes in football, maybe not today or tomorrow but in 10 years alot can happend. Since someone took Man Utd up as a team thats one of the biggest ones around now...well yes they are, but in end of 80´s Liverpool was the team around. And i wouldnt be suprised if an Arsenal era is coming up now.
A great example from this in swedish league is IFK Gothenburg, they were the team that won much. They had a great team, in 82 they won the UEFA cup for example (with a manager now famous for managing the English national team). And they had some great players aswell, qualified for champions league many times after that and really were the supreme team in swedish football. But like AC Milan they had problems once some of their top players retired, so they buy new ones which is no problem at all since the cash they gotten from Champions League and so on. Only problem is that some of those buys are big failurs, so they buy more and more players...some of them are more like panic buys and in the long run most of them aint performing as good as they should. And meanwhile other teams are catching up. The last years IFK Gothenburg has becommen a midtable team in sweden, although i really think they will work their way up again.
So basically, the only thing you can be sure about in todays football is that it will change sooner or later.
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Athimus_Phaeni
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posted June 29, 2002 08:11 PM |
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I agree with you Stiven when you say that the best team changes in few years, but it is not what we were talking about. We were talking about competitiveness in a tournament, like several or packs or lots(ehehehe... horde, throng...) of teams that can win the tournament not only one or two, like in Portugal for a LOT of years only 3 or 4 teams (I don´t remeber, like I said before I don´t have so much information about european soccer) won the national league, for example in Brazil:
Year Champion Vice
1991 - São Paulo Bragantino
1992 - Flamengo Botafogo
1993 - Palmeiras Vitória
1994 - Palmeiras Corinthians
1995 - Botafogo Santos
1996 - Grêmio Portuguesa
1997 - Vasco Palmeiras
1998 - Corinthians Cruzeiro
1999 - Corinthians Atlético Mineiro
2000 - Vasco da Gama São Caetano
2001 - Atlético Paranaense São Caetano
See? In the last 11 years there were 8 different champions and 10 vices! It does not happen in ANY european national league.
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Sir_Stiven
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posted June 29, 2002 08:53 PM |
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True, but to me the quality of a league isnt depending on number of different champions in 11 years. The swedish league for example has different top teams almost every year and i really think that the swedish league sucks. When Man Utd won the league with many many points a few years ago and were crowned champions with several games to come i agree that was kind of boring. But i dont care if a team wins 10 years in a row as long as its a tight race.
Just saw the first 30 mins from the South Korea - Turkey game (no public TV station in sweden had rights to show the game live  ) and iam really impressed by the pace in the game so far. Those south koreans attacking attitude really impresses me, although their defence has been really lacking so far. All three Turkish goals could have been avoided by some good defending i guess...
Well, back to game
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morcoz
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posted June 30, 2002 10:19 AM |
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Brazil win over germany.
Kahn is the only player who can stop the brazils. But he wont stop all of the shots from Ronaldo, Rivaldo, Ronaldinho, etc, etc ,etc lol
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Motorschaaf
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posted June 30, 2002 11:33 AM |
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Brazil win over germany.
Kahn is the only player who can stop the brazils. But he wont stop all of the shots from Ronaldo, Rivaldo, Ronaldinho, etc, etc ,etc lol
hmm i really wonder if some guys saw a differnt worldcup than i did....
i have seen every game of brazil and i didnt see one game where they played as strong as some of u make em.
vs. belgium they sucked ass
vs. turkey they were lucky as hell
vs. england both teams sucked
so i dont c why some say germany doesnt have a chance.....some only judge the outcome of a game by the name of a team and of the players.
in my opinion the chances in a final are allways 50:50. whoever made it therer has a good chance to win the cup
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Sir_Stiven
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posted June 30, 2002 12:17 PM |
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1 hour to kick off...
And even if some ppl make Brazil look to strong i have to say that we have Motors to do the opposite lol. I can agree with you on Belgium game, if the belgians had won that game i dont think anyone could have called it unfair. But against the english Brazil really impressed me, that was the first game that i really reckoned that they could just go on and win this. Sure they had some descent games in their group but nothing against really tough opponents and they shouldnt had won against Turkey for example. But against the english they showed that they know how to defend aswell and that suprised me, they were really disciplined after that lucky 2-1 goal by Ronaldinho.
The game vs the Turks was a great one, they showed how disciplined they can be there too combined with some great attacking skill.
As i said earlier, i think Brazil will win this with 2-1. But if Germany scores the first goal a german 1-0 victory wouldnt suprise me at all.
As for yesterdays game one most congratulate both Turkey and South Korea. First of all for their great game last night but also for the way they have played this WC. Even if Turkey didnt have too many attacks against South Korea their attacking game in earlier games was superb. Their speedy midfielders Emre/Bastürk combined with Tugay makes a great midfield and Davala has scored some goals aswell. In south Korean team they had some really good players too that suprised me, their #14 was superb in many games.
40 mins left now, the countdown has started...
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Athimus_Phaeni
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posted June 30, 2002 03:35 PM |
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CHAMPION!
CHAMPION!
CHAMPION!
2 - 0
Anything else to say?
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DarkManiac
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posted June 30, 2002 04:00 PM |
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Yes. I was right
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arachnid
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posted June 30, 2002 05:05 PM |
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Brazil deserved to win, was an ok match better than i would of thought with both teams attacking and going for it. You just new when brazil scored that there was no way germany could get back into it. I think thinks might of been quite different if ballack could of played, he must be so gutted!
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Roland_Ironf...
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posted June 30, 2002 05:34 PM |
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it was a very nice game!! Way to go Brazil!
and we won the Fair play award!! *yay!!*
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