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Motorschaaf
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posted October 15, 2002 08:37 PM |
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suggestions for changes/Ideas to raise the activity lvl
here is copy my letter to the toh admins i wrote today because i wanna also hear what other players and veterans think about my suggestions to raise the activity level in TOh or at least try it:
Here we go :
"im sure u read my post at the heroescommunity and i amsure that a lot didnt like the way it was written but im still sure something must be done. right now there are 13 !!! (thirteen) players in the zone and i dont think anyone can be really happy with the current situation.
the first mistake that has been made was the transfer rate of the myth points to toh. well but thats over now and too late to change so i concentrate on the things which can still be changed and maybe have a positive effect on the activity.. well i know u might say "damn that Motorschaaf is babbeling again" (well vesuvius would say "motorshaff"  ) but i think maybe its worth a try. it cant get any worse. if it continues like that homm3 is dead soon. homm 3 players lose their playground and the toh homm 3 automation is becoming a waste . i dont want any of this to happen and im sure others feel same
1. the new honoir council has to be announced as soon as possible. kitten said she knows who will be in it but 1 month no names have been said . players who play serious tourney games need to know if there will be a good team he can talk to if there is any dispute around. its the basis of any good tourney. and i dont think that the honor council members for h3 and h4 can be the same. well i dont think anyone would volunteer for this hell of a job  .
2. the news must be updated at least every 2-3 days. Its sometimesnot very easy to get new news i bet but im sure it can be made. even if some of the news are notas hot as they are supposed to be . but fact is that the activity rate of any given webpage rises when the mainpage news are updated very often. also myth news should change in color like h4 news and formerh3 news did too.
3. The main point : new subtourneys. Fact is that many players need tourneys to have a challenge. or as a motivation to play like an addict. i have 2 main idea of new subtourneys . one was allrdy very successfull in the geran league its a tourney called Mapmasters the other idea is a mix of Nations and Clans/Divisons.
3a) Mapmasters : This tourney i created because of the discussion which is allways around "who is the best player on map XYZ ever ?" that means in this subtourney only a set of pre picked maps can be played. for german league i picked 5 maps for the 1. edition of this tourney. it is very important to have this map collection as different as possible. open, closed, old and new ones. this is also a good tourney to reactivate inactive veterans. i dont think that many russians for example could resist a Mapmasters: Desert War - Tourney . .
Each of the seperated 5 tourneys will be played in bracket style . the semi- final and final will be played best of three. the most important is the strict deadline. (with date AND time ) it must be absolutely clear to the players that there is not a single extrention - no matter which reasons.
the winner can call himself " Mapmaster of XYZ "officially now and gets a nice icon beside his name.
3b) Nation/Clan/Divison Mix : I came to this idea when i thought about which was the most active h3 tourney ever and it was nations. . seems like all players put a little more energy in finishing and playing such a tourney when they play under their national flag. this "patriotism" (i dont know if thats the right word lol ) also makes the team spirit a lot higher and usually the players in the teams will know each other.
every team will contain a fixed number of players who represent their country in this "world championship" their "clan" symbol will allways be their flag. the frst round will be held like clans. means a free challenge phase but the nations will also be given the possibility to make "nation fights" . this nation fights give bonus points (the ammount of such bonus points should be discussed when the other rules are set like the max number of team members).
when the first free challenge and war round is over the playoffs will start. lets say the first 8 ( or 4 depends on activity) nations will advance to em and will me matched up in play of style. 1st vs. 8th and so on..
because some nations have more active homm3 players ( like usa) it should be possible to make teams like USA 2 , USA 3 and so on. BUT only one team of each nation will be allowed to advance to 2nd round at max so if teams usa 1,2 and 3 make the 1st, 2nd and 3rd, place the team 2 + 3 get booted out and the 9th and 10th ranked countrys move on to next round.
the players per team should be 4. (maybe 6 if the registerin phase shows huuuge interest. but also like in clans smaller teams with 2 should be allowed to start.
if there should be a bonus point or artifact system like in divisons/clans has to be decided.
4) Subtourney registeration: all footman OR veterans should be allowed to jo9in such subtourneys. so if anyone has a wyvern icon he is allowed to register. believe it or nt but some players just dont join subtourneys because they are to lazy to play the 4 games "qualify marker" again.
5) New Maps : Maybe a 1on1 mapmnaking contest should be made to get a new series of fresh maps. winner of the contests get some extra toh points. a map council tests the quality of the maps and announces the winners then. with ne new gotten maps a blind map tourney can be made
that are just some of my suggestions/ideas ans would be cool to hear what u think of em.
u can contact me by zoone messenger, mail, or 101459482 ICQ.
H3foreverschaaf"
end of the mail
suggestions and criticism wanted. any help is welcome to make zone and TOH a better place for homm3 players 
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Aculias
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posted October 15, 2002 09:06 PM |
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One thang that is unfortunate is after how TOH closed season 5 & even earliar some vets just simply retired because of rl, played out or just so pissed how it closed I talked to some of them but i suggest that if you have some Ideas then like Ves said lets do somethang or mention some ideas so we can have some new ideas because heroes 4 is just kills my com.
Wait for me heroes 5
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ironmlh
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posted October 15, 2002 09:06 PM |
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Again
Your admiration and persistence is nothing short of unheralded as far as trying to Keep h3 going!
You can only squeeze so much juice from an orange. Sad to say H3 is down to its last drip no matter what we try.
Slowly but surely it is dying.
I still play H3 but do not have time for any subtournies at all. If TOH h3 is still around i will try and get a game every now and then. If and when its not..i wont miss it, there are much more important things than keeping a 4 yr old game alive.
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Motorschaaf
Bad-mannered
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posted October 15, 2002 09:11 PM |
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Your admiration and persistence is nothing short of unheralded as far as trying to Keep h3 going!
You can only squeeze so much juice from an orange. Sad to say H3 is down to its last drip no matter what we try.
Slowly but surely it is dying.
I still play H3 but do not have time for any subtournies at all. If TOH h3 is still around i will try and get a game every now and then. If and when its not..i wont miss it, there are much more important things than keeping a 4 yr old game alive.
and again u just come ith ur old "h3 is dead" phrases. if u think its dead for you then be it so - but plaese accept that for others its not dead or they wanna try to revive it. ...and if u repeat it 1000 times that ont keep m from fighting for h3 if u like it or not
thanks
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ironmlh
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posted October 15, 2002 09:21 PM |
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and again u just come ith ur old "h3 is dead" phrases. if u think its dead for you then be it so - but plaese accept that for others its not dead or they wanna try to revive it. ...and if u repeat it 1000 times that ont keep m from fighting for h3 if u like it or not
thanks
I was only pointing out that for me I dont care one way or another. I would be willing to bet that most out there (as proven weekly in the dwindling h3 players on the zone and general low # of TOH games played) that most players dont care if h3 dies of not. Surely you cant expect the level of activity to come anywhere close to what it was in seasons 3 or 4?
Obviously you love the game and do not want to stop playing, but you are also (and quite obviously I may add!) in the minority and are gonna have to face the facts soon enough. H3 activity will continue to dwindle until it is no more<<< Can you not see this?
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Motorschaaf
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posted October 15, 2002 09:24 PM |
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man u dont get my point or u dont wanna get it...i dont know and i dont really care but we all know in zone h3 is almost dead- toh homm3 is inactive as hell. so tell me why should*t something be tried to change that fact ? can we ( the h3 players) lose anything by try9ng to raise the activity lvl ? NO . if u dont care then dont reply. very simplp...
Motorschaaf
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ironmlh
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posted October 15, 2002 09:32 PM |
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man u dont get my point or u dont wanna get it
Exactly..you dont get my point that nothing you can do will sustain H3 for any period of time worth menthioning.
I know you didn't have this little back n forth thing planned for this Thread...but you know sometimes i get bored at lunch and just have to comment on these things.
Later....and back to work.
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Motorschaaf
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posted October 15, 2002 09:36 PM |
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Exactly..you dont get my point that nothing you can do will sustain H3 for any period of time worth menthioning.
maybe...maybe not but its worth trying. at least i can say that i have done what i could for the game i love.
and maybe there is a little chance...who knows..
i just know there is enuff potential. the question is if we are able to get it goin again.
Motorschaaf
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Aculias
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posted October 15, 2002 09:47 PM |
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You know if you want somethang so bad, sometimes you have to do it with the resources you have & do it on your own & with the reliables that are with you.
Motorsgotemailschaaf lol
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Aculias
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posted October 15, 2002 09:56 PM |
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Ah shoot I sorry Motor I didnt know your english was not that good when I sent you that email I sorry I didnt know
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vesuvius
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Honor Above all Else
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posted October 15, 2002 10:13 PM |
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ages ago
Just before homm3 was coming out, I found myself dissatisfied with all the tourneys out there, and had my own plan/system and idea for what a homm tournament should be. IT became ToH.
Point is, as aculias said, if you are unhappy about something, you have to take care of it yourself, but at the same time be determined enough to keep it up or fall back into what you wanted to avoid in the first place.
Now about Motor's points:
New Honor Council - As far as I know, lichking and deth8 still take care of general hc matters for homm3; their skill & experience is far more suited for homm3 anyways. Supposedly there is to be a new addition to HC, but with such low activity it has not been an issue. (And I dont believe it will.
So motor, do you want to volunteer for a position on the homm3 HC?
News Updates - Thats up to Mandi/Ravyn. I do not modify any of the pages in the homm3 subsection. But may I remind you that you guys have taken 'vesuvius' for granted all these years, and forget ego for a second: I dont think you will find another 'vesuvius' for the job.
Subtourneys - Again up to Mandi/Rayvn, though motor can always volunteer to support a new one. But by looking at activity on all tourneys including ww and bastards, it reminds me of the days of homm2 tourneys when there were only a few dozen participants
Clan/Division/Nation - Well all I can say to this one is that a Clan/Division hybrid is ready to go for homm4, and it will be fun and competitive, but it will not run until a patch is made, and it will obviously not run for homm3.
Subtourney Registration - Should always require a footman or higher for reg, so newbs who havent played any games dont stifle an slow the tourn. For the homm4 Clan/Division hybrid, footmen or higher can participate.
New Maps - Well that is up to the mapmakers. Unless you want me to unleash my lords maps hehe.
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Motorschaaf
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posted October 15, 2002 10:26 PM |
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Point is, as aculias said, if you are unhappy about something, you have to take care of it yourself, but at the same time be determined enough to keep it up or fall back into what you wanted to avoid in the first place.
well there is the main problem . homm 3 has seen better days thats a fact and i dont think that opening an new tourney would help anyone. it rather think it would make things worse because the h3 community splits more and more ...
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Now about Motor's points:
New Honor Council - As far as I know, lichking and deth8 still take care of general hc matters for homm3; their skill & experience is far more suited for homm3 anyways. Supposedly there is to be a new addition to HC, but with such low activity it has not been an issue. (And I dont believe it will.
So motor, do you want to volunteer for a position on the homm3 HC?
i would volunteer for any job trying to help to get h3 running more active again . i dont give a rats which job that would be. i think the current volunteers know best where help is needed most.
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Clan/Division/Nation - Well all I can say to this one is that a Clan/Division hybrid is ready to go for homm4, and it will be fun and competitive, but it will not run until a patch is made, and it will obviously not run for homm3.
hmm why not run it for h3 ? u think the activity would be too low ? or too much work ? too much work doesnt count for an exuse . im here
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Subtourney Registration - Should always require a footman or higher for reg, so newbs who havent played any games dont stifle an slow the tourn. For the homm4 Clan/Division hybrid, footmen or higher can participate.
yeah i totally understan - but u also have to agree that someone with lets say 3 veteran icons wount be a noob who only joins to slow down the tourney. so i think it would be ok if long time veterans dont need such a qualification
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New Maps - Well that is up to the mapmakers. Unless you want me to unleash my lords maps hehe.
could u please zip and mail me such lord maps ?
thx in advance
Motorschaaf
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Hexa
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posted October 16, 2002 12:18 AM |
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hm make a few 1,000 copies of homm 3 complete and send them to possible candidates for free!@
Seriously I am afraid that Homm3 is over.
Sure I wil play a game very now and then but thats it i think.
But if u get some more interst and some nice tourney i might be gain.
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Jinxer
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posted October 16, 2002 03:07 AM |
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Needs to be NEW and FRESH!!!
Motor... I am gonna make a serious post here, and I really want you to try and take it as serious and not think I am flaming or tossing or trying to push my personal ideals on to you. Because I am 97% sure I will prolly never play H3 again so dont matter to me.
Your idea for a Master map player will not draw any great activity. At best you will get about 10 players still enjoy replaying those maps over and over. IF you are truely in LOVE with H3 still and TRUELY want it to have any chance of staying alive, you must concider the possibility that those same medium maps need to be forgotten. Dont forget what everyone has said. They think the game is OLD and stale. So that tell you people want newness and freshness. SO why would anyone really want to play a MAPMASTERS tourny on a 4 year old map that everyone already knows there are masters for.
I know you hate Randoms, but I think a RANDOM master map would go alot better than fixed master.
As I said I am not saying this for my own personal agenda because no matter what tourny you get going I prolly wont play. Even if is was Random tourny. I am way to engrossed in H4.
It is just personally frustrating to me to beable to see the answer to your H3 problem and yet you cannot.
I do think your NEW map contest is a SUPER idea and then making it a blind map tourny is the kinda stuff needed. I would like to suggest that you encourage the new maps to be of different design and Large or Xlarge maps. Mediums have been done and are old and stale. Lareg and Xlarge is new and fresh never really been used much in TOH.
The bottom line is I am truely trying to help out here and I am not trying to be a jerk or toss about this. I seriously think this issue has alot more to do with activity then anything else. I know there were ALOT!! of new players chased off when they were tricked into playing desertwar for the quick kill. etc.
Anyways, good luck with your ideas and I hope you find a winnign combination of ideas to lengthen the life of H3.
Happy and FUN gaming.
Jinxer
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jb239
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posted October 16, 2002 03:30 AM |
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My 2 cents
Well, people come, and people go. Im sure there will always be some h3 addicts, but as time goes on, setting up organized tournaments and such will be very difficult, unless you can unite all that is left.
I personally don't think a large amount will come from all these changes being made. Sure a few more may come back, but I think the true H3 fans are playing, and not sitting around waiting for Myths to be updated or a new HC, etc.
But it is nice to see you are trying to bring back what you love..and I wish you luck. I used to have tons of fun with Heroes 3, and would sometimes choose playin that over doin other things, but times do change.
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KittenAngel
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Lee's wifey
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posted October 16, 2002 06:47 AM |
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ok I am getting a little annoyed here!
OK as Far as the HC stuff goes, Right now until Raven and I get togeather and discuss this Issue contact Deth8 or Jinxer about issues.
AS far as news not being updated, well I am sorry but I have a 2 month old son a 4 year old and a 7 year old, plus work and trying to keep my family life going as well, when there is news to report it is reported.
AS I have stated before, Myths will have a new tourney opening soon, I have to talk to Ves but I have a few ideas, and revials.
If you have a tournament Idea please set it up, and make rules and things clear email it to me. I am more than willing to give anything, if a good idea a shot.
As Far as Clans, Talk to Raven that is her department.
Divisions, right now is way off in the distance.
Yes, I agree we need new refreshing maps, but i do not think a map contest will work, there are not enough Map makers out there.
I will be opening Kingdoms soon, I can tell you that, I am going to Make a good deal of changes to it. I am getting rid of the sheild thing for Kingdoms, i think mayby a Kingdom banner would be better. I am open to any suggestions for Kingdoms so, lets hear some.
Ok now that I have wrote my book lol
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bobntamr1
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non dictionary ownen hero
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posted October 16, 2002 06:48 AM |
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i have to applaud your efforts motor...you really suprised me here in this post. I am not going to say HOMM3 is dead, i played one today. Bottom line here i think is when your in the zone or talking in some weird post or talking to a buddy at work...promote it. That is what i do most of the day for HOMM4 ... no offence. It helps get participation up period, helping newbies is your biggest ally right now if you want to keep it alive, help and show people what its about. that's what uncoated titan and splexx did for me as a newbie, and now i am hooked on ToH beyond belief. I don't know if i am helping you out, but I wish you the best and I will do my part when I can.
good luck big guy.
PS my spell check here in the posts is broke, and my dictionary is too worn out to read anymore
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midnight
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posted October 16, 2002 08:07 AM |
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the bargain bin of hope
the next influx of H3 players will be when 3do decide to flog off heroes complete for $15 in the bargain bins of stores. That is the last hope for any new H3 players turning up.
I had a 3 month break from H3 and came back and am finding it fun, so u may get a few like that too. Right now the most fun for me is trying to keep the random bastards title.
But as far as whipping up enthusiasm to get the H3 rooms full again like the old days... nope. It wont happen. I'm suprised that zone still has a room set aside for us.
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andiangelsla...
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posted October 16, 2002 08:11 AM |
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you guys know what? this board is useless...because people that have nothing to say about a thread enter and say something dumb like "forget h3, move on tho h4".
i know how many h3 fans are still out there and dream of a real league or a real cool tourney like nations again, schaaf expected answers from those guys not from you "i stick my nose into every thread" tossers.
So, if you got nothing to say shut up and stay out, and if you are someone like ves that has something to say or a hardcore h3 fan come here and post.
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Aculias
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Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted October 16, 2002 08:17 AM |
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There are two groups annoyed or not they either support heroes 4 & heroes 3 100% there are a few like myself who keep it neutral & play both.
almost like half but unfortunatley Motor most the vets think heroes 3 is played out & enjoy 4 very much but there are those others some new but also some vets & respected players that enjoy heroes 3.
A 4 yr old game needs new stuff I agree but competition will always be fun.
You got to know that were all human with lives & people who have kids should understand the dificulties I think shes been doing a good job balancing her time & on serious note youe own kids is far danm more important then anythang in the world then going through a tournament everyday like they have no life.
P.S I hope Midnight will give me another shot at his bastards title since our last game was well was a really bad game I had & I guess everyone has those rare games & would like another shot lol.
Just remember it's almost like half supports heroes 3 & half supports heroes 4 kind of like baseball with the New Tork Mets & the New York Yankeys some prefer the west side I believe Shae Stadium & others prefer Yankeys stadium but from the same state lol.
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