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pandora
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posted May 30, 2005 08:47 PM |
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A few quick things, I'll have to write more later but time is limited.
In the HC profiles thread that Sir_Stiven made Terje's profile said Quote:
How i think moderators view me: I don't like to speculate about things like this, but what the hell. Non-existant, perhaps?
When i Read that, I was shocked!  It is perhaps the best example of what I meant when I said
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This brings me to another point that's been on my mind. There are several members mainly here, in Tribunal and in the Wastelands that I think are extremely valuable to the community. Obviously all members are, but in any situation there are some that will rise up and give that extra something to make the place better. This to me is difficult to handle, because I find myself searching for a post to give them a QP in, sometimes their posts one their own don't really stand for the top2%, however their contibution shouldn't go without some sort of reward.
Terje is one of the members I was specifically referring to here, and the fact that he didn't realize that his contribution to HC is so appreciated is why I think we do need to find a way to implement something more. I can't even use hand lotion anymore without thinking of terje and chuckling to myself - how could he think he's not noticed!?  It's just wrong... and likely if there is one, there are more that have no idea that they're noticed, so clearly more needs to be done to ensure that it's not the case.
Also, Sir_Stiven said that he has recieved too few of these types of QP (for contribution) - and with that I would have to agree as well. Obviously he and I have personal issues - however , that aside he has always gone out of his way to try to point out things that could be improved. Regardless of his methods of saying things sometimes, the good intentions are there. He takes a lot of his own time to post the things he sees and ideas, suggestions for improvement - and even if they are not always agreed on - it is good that he does it.
I personally appreciate being called on anything I'm doing wrong, or not doing enough of as long as it's honest, and not some personal attack. I'll never find a way to improve myself if all I ever get is positive reinforcement - criticism is good too.
Beyond that for now I don't have enough time to respond as much as I would like to right now, but will very soon. I hope the discussion continues here 
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Aculias
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posted May 30, 2005 08:51 PM |
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Mods can be non existance if they want as long as they do thier job
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posted May 30, 2005 09:09 PM |
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I've been coming in here once a week or even longer than that for the past month to try to keep informed a bit about the recent events, so I've been following this thread pretty closely.
The real way that QPs work is based on something that has been used for thousands of years. It's simply a symbol of recognition, of appreciation, and of accomplishment. It's a wonderful system that isn't perfect and never has been perfect. Not everyone who deserves an award for their heroics in the army or their spectacular play in the workplace will get one.
In every aspect of our lives we use symbols to represent what we appreciate, what we care for the most, what we feel we should be proud of. When being wed a couple give each other rings to represent their love for one another. When we graduate from High School we get a certificate along with medals and chords that represent every single thing we accomplished in high school.
Without these symbols, will we feel any less proud of who we are, will we feel any less loved by the ones we love? I think that someone taking the time to show how one truly feels by putting a ring on the finger of the one they love will make that person feel more loved than if they did not. There are so many ways a person can communicate their love for one another. Through a kiss, through making love. But the use of symbols will strengthen any message we want to send. Even something as little as a get well card or a postcard will strengthen the message we want to send. It helps remind us of those things that are important to us when we have forgotten. And it can even open our eyes to those we have always taken for granted.
So why not try to make our system of awards better? Why not try to recognize everything we can about our community, so we remember every person as best we can. Unlike real life people can come and go in only a few months be gone forever. QPs and I hope that soon these CPs will be able to highlight all the good that each member has left here is remembered as best we can. So we never take any member for granted.
The reason the wedding ring is so powerful a symbol in society is because of the respect it is given. If people started using it no more than they would shake a man's hand, then it would be viewed as no more than a handshake.
I think the addition of CPs is great, because not every person in the world deserves for you to put a ring on their finger, but many people deserve a pat on the back or maybe a get well card.
This way QPs can be given in a stingy manner as they are now without worry. But I think that CPs should be given on a much more regular basis as many people deserve a get well card or a pat on the back.
The individual is very important and should always be recognized.
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Jebus
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posted May 30, 2005 09:23 PM |
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First I wanted to note that your post was a refreshing look on the present argument.
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The reason the wedding ring is so powerful a symbol in society is because of the respect it is given. If people started using it no more than they would shake a man's hand, then it would be viewed as no more than a handshake.
I think the addition of CPs is great, because not every person in the world deserves for you to put a ring on their finger, but many people deserve a pat on the back or maybe a get well card.
This way QPs can be given in a stingy manner as they are now without worry. But I think that CPs should be given on a much more regular basis as many people deserve a get well card or a pat on the back.
The individual is very important and should always be recognized.
How do you respond to those who feel that Qp's are given a littel too easily... I agree that a Qp is and symbol of recognition but I think we're getting to the point that if something is posted (that warrants recognition) and a QP is NOT given, we're no longer leaving it up to the mods to decide, we're nominating posts left and right for qp's. And then if one gets a QP and not another, well all hell breaks loose.
You mentioned that if rings were given out like handshakes, they would hold less meaning, well I guess that's how I feel about the QP system right now.
Finally I do agree that CP's would be fun... I think MOD's would be more motivated to give these out without fear or reprisal to funny threads or good ideas... keep the QP's for the REALLY good stuff!!
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Aculias
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posted May 30, 2005 10:21 PM |
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Sox has always been overated tho 
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terje_the_ma...
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posted May 30, 2005 10:35 PM |
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Stiven,
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For example just my HC profile thread, you dont see terje say much about QP's do you? yet he feels unseen by mods. See QP's means different things to different people. And for you to judge em all on your beliefs is simply naive.
Pandora,
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In the HC profiles thread that Sir_Stiven made Terje's profile said
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How i think moderators view me: I don't like to speculate about things like this, but what the hell. Non-existant, perhaps?
When i Read that, I was shocked! It is perhaps the best example of what I meant when I said Quote:
This brings me to another point that's been on my mind. There are several members mainly here, in Tribunal and in the Wastelands that I think are extremely valuable to the community. Obviously all members are, but in any situation there are some that will rise up and give that extra something to make the place better. This to me is difficult to handle, because I find myself searching for a post to give them a QP in, sometimes their posts one their own don't really stand for the top2%, however their contibution shouldn't go without some sort of reward.
Terje is one of the members I was specifically referring to here, and the fact that he didn't realize that his contribution to HC is so appreciated is why I think we do need to find a way to implement something more. I can't even use hand lotion anymore without thinking of terje and chuckling to myself - how could he think he's not noticed!? It's just wrong... and likely if there is one, there are more that have no idea that they're noticed, so clearly more needs to be done to ensure that it's not the case.
Sigh...
Not having English as my first language backfires once again. I apologise for that.
What I meant about the thing I wrote in my "profile" thingy, wasn't that I don't feel appreciated. In the last couple of months, I feel that I've actually become a part of the Heroes Community, instead of being a member standing on the side, lurking, like I used to do.
What I meant, was, and is, that I hope that my RL "live and let live" philosophy will rub over on my behaviour here on this wonderful forum, so that the Mods don't consider me to be a problem. I hate being a problem (it goes all back to my time in the lower levels of the Norwegian education system - I used to be one of those boys who were so unruly that the teacher sometimes started crying), and thus try not to rub people the wrong way. This may be seen as a weakness by some, but to those people, I have only one thing to say: "F*** you, you buggering fascist." If everyone was as conflict shy as I am, there wouldn't be no conflicts (hahaha, I'd wish! ) and everyone would live happy and peaceful lives. 
Hehe, to cut the crap, because of my relatively bad English, you've both misread what I said. My fault, completely, and I apologise for it.
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I've been coming in here once a week or even longer than that for the past month to try to keep informed a bit about the recent events, so I've been following this thread pretty closely.
The real way that QPs work is based on something that has been used for thousands of years. It's simply a symbol of recognition, of appreciation, and of accomplishment. It's a wonderful system that isn't perfect and never has been perfect. Not everyone who deserves an award for their heroics in the army or their spectacular play in the workplace will get one.
In every aspect of our lives we use symbols to represent what we appreciate, what we care for the most, what we feel we should be proud of. When being wed a couple give each other rings to represent their love for one another. When we graduate from High School we get a certificate along with medals and chords that represent every single thing we accomplished in high school.
Without these symbols, will we feel any less proud of who we are, will we feel any less loved by the ones we love? I think that someone taking the time to show how one truly feels by putting a ring on the finger of the one they love will make that person feel more loved than if they did not. There are so many ways a person can communicate their love for one another. Through a kiss, through making love. But the use of symbols will strengthen any message we want to send. Even something as little as a get well card or a postcard will strengthen the message we want to send. It helps remind us of those things that are important to us when we have forgotten. And it can even open our eyes to those we have always taken for granted.
So why not try to make our system of awards better? Why not try to recognize everything we can about our community, so we remember every person as best we can. Unlike real life people can come and go in only a few months be gone forever. QPs and I hope that soon these CPs will be able to highlight all the good that each member has left here is remembered as best we can. So we never take any member for granted.
The reason the wedding ring is so powerful a symbol in society is because of the respect it is given. If people started using it no more than they would shake a man's hand, then it would be viewed as no more than a handshake.
I think the addition of CPs is great, because not every person in the world deserves for you to put a ring on their finger, but many people deserve a pat on the back or maybe a get well card.
This way QPs can be given in a stingy manner as they are now without worry. But I think that CPs should be given on a much more regular basis as many people deserve a get well card or a pat on the back.
The individual is very important and should always be recognized.
Wow. I don't think I've heard arguments for QPs presented in a more beautiful way. I couldn't agree more with you, RSF! 
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Sir_Stiven
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posted May 30, 2005 11:04 PM |
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haha personally i think its kinda scarey when someone compares QP's to making love
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jebus
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posted May 30, 2005 11:17 PM |
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haha personally i think its kinda scarey when someone compares QP's to making love
LOL!!!
maybe your'e not use to hearing your gf shout:
"QP's!!! QP's!!!!"
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Consis
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posted May 31, 2005 04:31 AM |
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I Agree
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Terje is so appreciated. I can't even use hand lotion anymore without thinking of terje and chuckling to myself.
I couldn't agree more. I've become quite attached to his presence and input here. As I regularly visit these strangely alien yet somewhat personable internet chat forums, I've come to grow very fond of his company.
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pandora
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posted May 31, 2005 05:28 AM |
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Now if QP's are like making love, and I frequently give out QP to a wide variety of members - does that make me a moderator - or some type of lady of the night?
Just wanted to add that I'm glad I misunderstood you there Terje And I can't imagine anyone possibly thinking you're a troublemaker
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posted May 31, 2005 12:51 PM |
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And the award for best grumble in a Feedback post goes to....
HANDCUFFS!
I mean....er...QP's. Um yes.
One point I'd like to pick up on is Jebus' where he says that a lot of posts these days get nominated for QP's.
I've seen a lot of this from a lot of people lately, and indeed there has been a bit of grumbling I've felt whenever a nominated post doesn't get awarded a QP.
Does every nominated film win an Oscar?
I welcome the nominations, it's a handy way of seeing good posts that may have slipped through the cracks as I read the forums, but ultimately the decision of whether or not to award a post resides with Pandora and I.
I will always be approachable through IM's to discuss why I do or don't give a particular post a QP, so never be afraid to ask - but I haven't been asked lately. I've just felt a lot of low level grumbling going on that could easily be avoided if the grumbler would just ask me my reasons why.
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Jebus
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posted May 31, 2005 02:19 PM |
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One point I'd like to pick up on is Jebus' where he says that a lot of posts these days get nominated for QP's.
I've seen a lot of this from a lot of people lately, and indeed there has been a bit of grumbling I've felt whenever a nominated post doesn't get awarded a QP.
I welcome the nominations, it's a handy way of seeing good posts that may have slipped through the cracks as I read the forums, but ultimately the decision of whether or not to award a post resides with Pandora and I.
I will always be approachable through IM's to discuss why I do or don't give a particular post a QP, so never be afraid to ask - but I haven't been asked lately. I've just felt a lot of low level grumbling going on that could easily be avoided if the grumbler would just ask me my reasons why.
I have really no problems with nominations besides the fact that some members would nominate just about anything for a QP! My beef lies with the fact that, sometimes, missplaced nominations can crowd a good thread when really they shouldn't be posted there at all!
One suggestion Asmo,
maybe if the nominations that come to "feedback" were followed up with a bried explanation of the Yay or nay vote, you wouldn't spend so much time via IM explaining your decisions, and other members could see the rational behind your decision.
(I know this would mean defending everything and it would mean more homework for you guys... t'was just an idea)
oh and BOU-URNS QP's!!
J
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posted June 01, 2005 08:47 PM |
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I don't mind "nominations", since it's always the Mod that decides in the end anyway. So called nominations could simply act as a tool that'll help the Mods see what kinds of posts the members appreciate.
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Jebus
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posted June 01, 2005 09:55 PM |
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I don't mind "nominations", since it's always the Mod that decides in the end anyway. So called nominations could simply act as a tool that'll help the Mods see what kinds of posts the members appreciate.
I agree... just think that having them ONLY posted in one specific thread (like this one), we are minimizing the chance of throwing a thread off topic with a poorly placed nomination. (god knows it doesn't take us much to get off topic )
IMO
Having said that there's never ANY harm in complimenting a poster directly in the thread however.
J
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Leo_Lion
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posted June 02, 2005 06:17 AM |
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Please move this Thread to the VW, as per Sir_Stiven's request...please.
EDIT: bumped "up & at them"!
"The goggles, they do nothing!"
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Sir_Stiven
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posted June 03, 2005 06:22 AM |
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tossers tavern..
we are still waiting for that promised 2150 posts review
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pandora
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posted June 03, 2005 06:29 AM |
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I have been reading it, and logging on a word doc I have here on my PC , once I have completed it I will doublecheck my decisions and post the whole thing all at once. It seems easier that way than every few days posting one or two.
Must say, re-reading it makes me feel kinda nostalgic.
I really miss some of those times 
And I miss my hockey too ...
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Jebus
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posted June 03, 2005 02:28 PM |
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And I miss my hockey too ...
HOCKEY!!!!!
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Sir_Stiven
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posted June 04, 2005 02:31 AM |
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I have been reading it, and logging on a word doc I have here on my PC , once I have completed it I will doublecheck my decisions and post the whole thing all at once. It seems easier that way than every few days posting one or two.
Must say, re-reading it makes me feel kinda nostalgic.
I really miss some of those times
And I miss my hockey too ...
yeah its a real trip down nostalgia lane.
Too bad the fighting threads has been removed because even if they are bad.. they got alot of history to them.
And btw all tavern posters, feel free to toss away in tossers tavern now. We have a toss fest again, you toss the poster ahead of you
will be fun if some more join up
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Aculias
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posted June 04, 2005 03:58 AM |
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See thats just me but I would toss any one of ya.
I wont just toss the person above me but since you mentioned it Stiven, you want Michael Jackson .
Now you cant beat that....
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