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posted May 27, 2005 01:08 AM |
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I Disagree
I like Valeriy's system of quality points the way it is currently. No changes necessary in my opinion.
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and it can be taken even further and you seperate em completely as one represents postings and the other contributions.
This is more along the lines of what I was thinking. 
And also Consis, this new idea would not give less credit of something new, it would bring in something different, without compromising the old system. Think of it as an enhancement. We are simply adding CP and keeping the QP system which also has it's merits.
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posted May 27, 2005 08:56 AM |
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Rememeber Lith said i deserve to be poster of the month because I said sex 
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Jebus
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I have to agree with the idea that Conan would make a great MOD.... he has a diplomatic tongue that other nominees lack and, up until now, has never really mixed personal issues or feelings with the objectivity in posts that a MOD should be able to demonstrate...
I also have to agree with Stiven (again)...
I don't know if you know this but my feelings of QP's are regarded reflect strongly in your posts...
I have recently been belittled by a member because I am "jealous" that this person is "doing better than me here". The simple fact is, I only want 3 red stars to remove FLOOD.... Im very happy in the VW where most of my posts belong... I don't believe in posting novels in the hopes of receiving a QP... even less believe in suggesting I get one....
J
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posted May 28, 2005 12:44 AM |
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I have recently been belittled by a member because I am "jealous" that this person is "doing better than me here". The simple fact is, I only want 3 red stars to remove FLOOD.... Im very happy in the VW where most of my posts belong... I don't believe in posting novels in the hopes of receiving a QP... even less believe in suggesting I get one....
I think it's four red stars to remove floodprotect. We still have a ways to go. 
Maybe you can try some things I did, such as these funny threads in the Tavern. As with the Heroes Addict and HoMM vs Reality threads, I've tried to find ideas that are fun and engaging for the community. It's not easy and it take several failed threads to begin with, but I think eventually you'll start pumping out good quality posts.
It can definitely happen since you've got a lot of potential.
-guitarguy
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posted May 28, 2005 01:06 AM |
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Check out Wolfman's MYT GAME Contest entry for Round #19 at the bottom of this page.
Now, if that isn't worthy of some kind of recognition, then I don't know what is! 
It's soooo well done! I'm just glad that I wasn't up against him in that Contest, eh Asmodean?! 
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posted May 28, 2005 01:47 AM |
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Quality however is a relative term, so there's no set definition. Moderators will give quality points upon their judgement of quality.
I suppose it is all relative to the Moderator. But according to the rules set down by Valeriy, it is up to the Moderator alone. It does not say, "Members will give quality points upon their judgment of quality". Under the rule, as it is written now, I see no explicit or implied room/interpretation for CP's under the current rules.
But these rules can be changed by Valeriy. All who are interested in this change could start a thread in the Turban Tribunal to discuss and debate this very topic. Valeriy may or may not agree to this suggestion/idea. But at least you will know that it has been considered by the Mage of the Land.
In the end, I support whatever Valeriy thinks is best.
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Svarog
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posted May 29, 2005 04:26 AM |
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Is this a community of members or moderators? U guys want to increase activity and quality here or get so deep in the QP sh!t pool as you currently are? Let me remind you that the sole intention of QPs is to stimulate quality. You dont stimulate quality by giving the regulars QPs at the current rate, whereas the noobs dont get any, thus HC losing potential valuable members. You are like a bloody aristocratic elite too involved in their stupid rankings, symbolisms and flattering that they cant see the essence behind things. Why the heck dont you just laeve mods do their jobs and award where they think is deserved.
And thats precisely 1 of the reasons why i would never become a mod, having to deal with the likes of people who post "canadian mod favouritism" E-mails or the empty talk you politely call "feedback". Trust me, Stiven, if I were a mod, you'd see the worst side of me. I give zero tolerance to such cases. That and the fact that my HC longetivity is unpredictable at the moment.
Always on the other side of order;
truthfully yours and eternally self(ish),
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posted May 29, 2005 05:47 AM |
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Is this a community of members or moderators? U guys want to increase activity and quality here or get so deep in the QP sh!t pool as you currently are? Let me remind you that the sole intention of QPs is to stimulate quality. You dont stimulate quality by giving the regulars QPs at the current rate, whereas the noobs dont get any, thus HC losing potential valuable members. You are like a bloody aristocratic elite too involved in their stupid rankings, symbolisms and flattering that they cant see the essence behind things. Why the heck dont you just laeve mods do their jobs and award where they think is deserved.
And thats precisely 1 of the reasons why i would never become a mod, having to deal with the likes of people who post "canadian mod favouritism" E-mails or the empty talk you politely call "feedback". Trust me, Stiven, if I were a mod, you'd see the worst side of me. I give zero tolerance to such cases. That and the fact that my HC longetivity is unpredictable at the moment.
Always on the other side of order;
truthfully yours and eternally self(ish),
Svarog
Wrong. wrong. and wrong again.
First of all you stimulate "quality" by setting a preferd standard. You act by consistency rather then inconsistency.
By as you insinuate in your post pre valuing n00bs by giving them easy QP's to start you give them false hope whereas their posts who keeps the same "quality" as the first post doesnt get rewarded they start wondering whats wrong. So by doing that you only fool the n00bs and you mess up the "system".
"Why the heck dont you just laeve mods do their jobs and award where they think is deserved."
This is a sentence i never expected to hear from you. First it feels so stupid that i feel i shouldnt comment it at all. But then.. i wanna make this clear. By setting a "standard" where mods decisions are not up for discussion you set a standard whereas you should ask yourself the first question in your reply.
Honestly, i dont friggin care which standard you set here. If you wanna set a zero tolerance one then sure, but as long as you treat everyone the same way i see nothing wrong with it. What i want is consistency. The essence of the post is more important then the poster. Then if you are a n00b, tosser or a mods suck up doesnt matter. Same rules should apply for all members.
Setting the mods on some level where you cant argue their decisions isnt a message board, thats a dictatorship board.
IMO this is just boring excuses from you trying to hide.
Stand up for the challenge instead and try and make a difference for the good you coward
I wouldnt have recommended you if i thought you were a dumbass. Facts are i value you as one of the most important posters here now and making brainless replies as the last one doesnt help you.
Grab the challenge instead.
Im sure you'll do a good job.
Always trying to convince the dumbass on the other side of order,
truthfully yours and always be kicking your ass when you are acting like a donkey.
/Stefan
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posted May 29, 2005 06:38 AM |
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The difference between us laddy is that you're trying to set a standard, i'd rather a nice message board. The message board wont improve because of the award standards, i assure you, but if some people find there the point of this board, then fine./
Imagine if all the creative energy we vested in these 3 pages was difused round the various threads of HC... i at least havent seen such an outburst of typing energy from you for a long time.
tell you what... u r too much castle, i'm rampart. alliance at times is fine, but u'd get along more with tower in this case.
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posted May 29, 2005 07:50 AM |
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Maybe you can try some things I did, such as these funny threads in the Tavern. As with the Heroes Addict and HoMM vs Reality threads, I've tried to find ideas that are fun and engaging for the community. It's not easy and it take several failed threads to begin with, but I think eventually you'll start pumping out good quality posts.
It can definitely happen since you've got a lot of potential.
-guitarguy
I appreciate you kind words...
fact is GG is that I don't think our definitions of quality is the same... if I make you laugh, or spit up your coffee or drink, I've succeeded in my task... as much as I love the game, Im not goin to get any QP's because I've come up with a great tactic or theory... I will however argue my points adamantly and if someone of higher experience agrees than I've impressed myself... I don't feel the need to invent games or spend hours on novels to impress anyone... I'd rather be who I am an make jokes and quote star wars... Qp's can be awarded for funny jokes or humour, clearly I've yet to impress a MOD with my sense of humour... Until that day, you, Lee and I will continue our thread of DUDE and if I can make someone laugh or contribute... I've done my job as The Jester!!!
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posted May 29, 2005 09:49 AM |
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Does anyone know why there is a "red star" next to the title of the "*MYT ('05)* Contest Entries" Thread and then another 4 red stars below it (when you look at the Tavern's list)?
Is that a glitch or some sort of way to show something specific??? I only saw 4 QPs in the Thread, so I don't understand why there is one showing next to the Thread's title.
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Consis
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posted May 29, 2005 04:35 PM |
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Svarog,
I agree with you.
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Sir_Stiven
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posted May 29, 2005 05:48 PM |
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The difference between us laddy is that you're trying to set a standard, i'd rather a nice message board. The message board wont improve because of the award standards, i assure you, but if some people find there the point of this board, then fine./
Imagine if all the creative energy we vested in these 3 pages was difused round the various threads of HC... i at least havent seen such an outburst of typing energy from you for a long time.
tell you what... u r too much castle, i'm rampart. alliance at times is fine, but u'd get along more with tower in this case.
..and wrong again
What we want is exactly the same thing, a nice and interesting messageboard. Though id say that with standards you will know what is expected to get a bonus/penalty. And ive seen soo many members here at HC sucking up etc just to get those QP:s and thats wrong, because then you lose their inputs and thoughts as they rather say what the mods wanna hear so they can get rewarded.
Just look at the facts, when question arised earlier no moderator could honestly say that they had given a QP in a discussion whereas they didnt agree with the poster no matter post quality. That sends out the message "agree with us and get rewarded" to the ones who really wants the red stars. And by that they sacrifise their own thoughts for rewards.
That is in the long run what happens unless you set a standard where both sides of an issue can get rewarded. And that is no way to build a nice messageboard.
And no doubt our posting spree here could have been to use to other threads aswell. But thats also there we stop agree about it. Because i see this is as an attempt to fix the problem that is the biggest problem of all at HC. By making other threads more appealing you get the quality up in the short run, but thats just because we are great posters.
With the core problem fixed other new members could fill in that "creative void" as they will focus more on making interesting threads and typing what they think is fun than doing the moderator appealing option.
That way there will be a bigger spectra of opinions posted and THAT will make HC a better place.
And no doubt we might be castle and rampart, but in this case i feel my archangels are lethal so they can smack you over even without the titans helping
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posted May 29, 2005 07:52 PM |
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Does anyone know why there is a "red star" next to the title of the "*MYT ('05)* Contest Entries" Thread and then another 4 red stars below it (when you look at the Tavern's list)?
Is that a glitch or some sort of way to show something specific??? I only saw 4 QPs in the Thread, so I don't understand why there is one showing next to the Thread's title.
Weird. I only counted three in the thread...
But the star next to the thread title means that the last post in it has recieved a QP. Recently, too, I think.
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Aculias
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posted May 29, 2005 09:19 PM |
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I tought i would never hear that from Stiven
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Aculias
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posted May 29, 2005 09:19 PM |
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I tought i would never hear that from Stiven
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posted May 30, 2005 04:59 AM |
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Stivie, what i think is sad is the fact that most of what u've written maybe isnt, but sure belongs in the Turban Tribunal. Thats even worse than those whose majority of posts belong in the Wastelands.
U trying to set a nice message board through setting standards, may have been ur original intention, but u've obviously started treating your means as the end goal, which is not good.
We've already discussed about ur glorious crusade against sucking up somewhere else, so buzz off with that lame argument.
And just one more thing, who are you to enforce "democratic" standards about post worth? Its only a handfull of people that have enough..... inspiration to suggest mods what is a good post and what is not. Rest of the community doesnt give a poop about that. If I cared enough for QP's in the first place, I'd be much more comfortable with mods (entrusted by valeriy) deciding for quality, than see them listening (or taking into account even) the opinions about quality from few poor QP fanatics or mod watchdogs such as yourself.
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posted May 30, 2005 06:29 AM |
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Stivie, what i think is sad is the fact that most of what u've written maybe isnt, but sure belongs in the Turban Tribunal. Thats even worse than those whose majority of posts belong in the Wastelands.
U trying to set a nice message board through setting standards, may have been ur original intention, but u've obviously started treating your means as the end goal, which is not good.
We've already discussed about ur glorious crusade against sucking up somewhere else, so buzz off with that lame argument.
And just one more thing, who are you to enforce "democratic" standards about post worth? Its only a handfull of people that have enough..... inspiration to suggest mods what is a good post and what is not. Rest of the community doesnt give a poop about that. If I cared enough for QP's in the first place, I'd be much more comfortable with mods (entrusted by valeriy) deciding for quality, than see them listening (or taking into account even) the opinions about quality from few poor QP fanatics or mod watchdogs such as yourself.
The first point i made in this thread i think was too point that it probably should be in tribunal, the reasons why i decided to take it here still stands there.
And then what is wrong by setting my "means" along with my end goal? What is the other way to do it, just letting it slide in hope that some day the standards will be there by themselves? No habla espaņol, if you want something done you have to go ahead with a good example.
Then i dont remember having the suck up discussion ended, but if you concider it lame it must have been good
Who am i? im a member of this msgboard and therefor i have every right to speak my views as long as they follow the rules. What i want is for this msgboard to be as good as possible, i dont believe in putting a trashbin over your head and pretend not to see a problem. And btw, you might wanna switch to a bigger sized trashbin because i think this one has cut away all fresh oxygen
And with all the respect little svarog, you didnt see this place when you had to be in a friendly circle with the mods to get a QP. Because thats when all of this started in the first place. Ive seen members leaving because of it. Ive seen members go weird because of it.
When you look at HC today its a result of all that critism that obviously has led to something good because as things are now they are alot better even if they still need improvement.
So please next time you decide to jump into a discussion in which your knowledge is very... limited... pull that trashbin over your head again
Saying that all moderators decisions basically should be seen as an ultimate truth is pure and simply stupid. Judging by your own oxygenstrapped statements only a handfew of people would care enough about those QP's then? well if thats actually what you do think you really need to learn your lesson about this place.
See there is a difference between showing you care by as you say point out other QP threads and no care at all. For example just my HC profile thread, you dont see terje say much about QP's do you? yet he feels unseen by mods. See QP's means different things to different people. And for you to judge em all on your beliefs is simply naive.
to sum it up...
What we want is the same thing, but i believe in different ways to get there than you. I believe in certain standards, standards ive seen been lacking and been hearing complaints about since i started out as a member here. I cant say how many IM's/comments ive gotten that other members appreciate what i do. So obviously even if you see it or not there has to be something concrete it to it. I also know from this experience that many that has complaints about this dont want to stand for em in public as that gives them a label of being troublemaker. But as stated.. dont mistake that for not caring.
What you have seen so far, is the top of the "QP icemountain" at best.
Which makes youre "arguing" very hard to even take serious.
I personally find your attitude towards QP of a good nature, but i also know that very few share your believes to that extent as ive tried to point out above.
so.. now you can write this off as lame aswell because i doubt you can bring something into this with any substance to it. I dont blame you for not knowing the history around here, but i do think its very unlike you to enter a discussion where you obviously doesnt have a clue.
take care sweetheart
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Jebus
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posted May 30, 2005 03:02 PM |
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What we want is the same thing, but i believe in different ways to get there than you. I believe in certain standards, standards ive seen been lacking and been hearing complaints about since i started out as a member here. I cant say how many IM's/comments ive gotten that other members appreciate what i do. So obviously even if you see it or not there has to be something concrete it to it. I also know from this experience that many that has complaints about this dont want to stand for em in public as that gives them a label of being troublemaker. But as stated.. dont mistake that for not caring.
It's unfortunate that those members don't speak out and post... If the community could see that many share the same view, these discussions could be more constructive..
We can't leave it up to "the lone crusader" to do our dirty work.
I know from my short existence here on HC the QP driven posts have gotten alot more prominent than it was when I was new. Everything (contest or game) these days seem oriented around rewards.
Keep it up Stefan, until those members are comfortable carrying their own luggage and speaking their minds.
J
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