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Lexxan
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posted June 26, 2009 10:19 PM |
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Telepathic is not that strong imo, and it is so expensive.
Omniscience rocks though, even detects stealthy ships.
I've tried playing every Race by now, and only succeeded in winning with the following races: Psilon (easily), Silicoids (quite easy), Sakkra (easy enough), Humans (not that easy) and Trilarians (Somewhat hard, but a lot easier than most)
I find it extremely hard to win with any other race, Save Meklars and Klackons (finished third and second in my respective games). My Elerians were HORRIBLE lol.
I guess it depends on play style; I seriously do not like to have wars early, or even in midgame, I prefer early-mid expansion with a large Technological leap, supported by Espionage if Repulsive (= Silicoids). I only rush, whether I wish to destroy another, much weaker race (oddly enough,that is almost always the Gnolam or Elerians, lol!) or one of those typical Runaway races (Silicoid, Sakkra and Trilarians). Eliminating the Psilon early if they are not Pacifistic is another exception I make.
Still, the best results come with Psilon, Silicoid and Sakkra, followed by the decent results with Trilarians, Humans, Meklars and Klackons.
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Nebdar
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posted June 27, 2009 12:14 AM |
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Thanks Lexxan for info..... Where are Darloks, Alkari, Mrrshan and Bulrathi 
How do you like battless (If you fought them by yourself)
Did you discovered advanced form of goverment of Democracy(Federation) or Feudalism(Confederation)
I will try different Custom start, Elarian Modifiaction
Picture of Elarians, Purple Color
* Feudal (the star on Pre-Warp tech Level is painfull, but the spys will do the trick)
* Ominscient (If it work as i does I won't need troop transports)
* Poor home world (I will change that after the game starts
* Charismatic (with Omniscent i will have diplomatic advantage)
* Low-G World ( It only needs Planetary Gravitation Generator, only....)
* +1 Industry (Faster and cheaper ships)
* Spying +20 (Total +30)
i have left 2 points to pick, so when i will (or if)reach the Evolutionary Mutation +4 i could have the subteranean.
So i think that it will work .....
I have just discovered that on Hard the computer player recives some bonuses, especially to the race statistics
Some infos about goverments and their advance types:
Dictatorship allows you with proper discovery to gain +80% Morale (+10 Psonics +20 Holo Simulator, +30 Pleasure Dome, +20 Virtual Reality Network) and with Imperium you can gain 100% Morale boost (thanks to Marine or Armor Barracks, because there is no -20% Penalty in this advanced form of gov., and the bonus stays)
Unification it was my first pick because it automaticaly garanteed +50% to Food and Industry and it's advanced form gives 100% but comparing to the Dictatorship and Imperium you gain also the 100% but also on Science So it gives you boost but in the late game some one can out run you
I must expierience the Feudalism and Democracy... to tell more
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Lexxan
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posted June 27, 2009 12:34 AM |
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Edited by Lexxan at 00:34, 27 Jun 2009.
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Alkari - Easy start, Quick downfall midgame, as the other races catch up with you. If you play like I do, delaying Wars till Mid-End, the Whopping Defence Bonus won't help you. Easier to play that the other three. (Good relations with Sakkra!) Nothing more to say, I would say that they are quite Average.
Darlocks - Espionage is good, but will get you into wars easily. I found the Darlocks hard in Single-player, despite the Obvious lead in Technology (or second/third place if facing Psilons/Humans). I would say that Darlocks are a race that's perfect for facing Human Players in Multiplayer though, where Espionage doesn't nessecairily lead to War, and where Stealthy Ships can be a real nuissance. (Capture one Colony, the move to another, WITHOUT being seen... the Human player will not know which colony to defend or attack - he might run into a fleet of 5 Doomstars, if he doesn't watch out - and when you see them, it's too late)? I would say that they are more powerfull than Mrrshan, Gnolam and Bulrathi for me, but they are very hard to play again a PC opponent imo.
Bulrathi - Heavy G is a significant Bonus; Heavy G worlds are almost always Large and/or Mineral Rich, and are usually hard to colonize... well usually  Groud combat is another thing I like to use, to capture Techs from More Advanced Opponents. Ship Offence Bonus is not my cup of tea Personally. I would say that Bulrathi are a very easy race to Rush with... but that's not my style. For me, they are very Hard to Controll, though easier than the Mrrshan or Gnolam.
Mrrshan - They are imo the Hardest Race to play - They are ultimate Soldiers, and playing them will require Aggressive and quick action, and that is completely not my style. I've noticed that the Mrrshan Seldomly acquire an important, dominant position, if they do so at all. In the Hotseat games I've played, the Mrrshan were usually eliminated Second (after the Elerians and/or Gnolam, though the Gnolam usually are eliminated after them )
Gnolam - Imo not the Hardest Race to play, but imo the Weakest of them all. They are Money-making Machines, while their Low Gravity Roots give the HUGE Penalties at research, Population Growth and Production. Money can buy you Ships if needed, but that won't save the day, when you are invaded by a Horde or Blood-thirsty Sakkra. The only saving graces are they more Lucrative Trade Treaties (though the extra Revenue is negligably overall imo) and the fact that Antarans Seem to Ignore them Completely. I however, do not play with the Annoying Antarans, so that only leaves the Trade Agreements and heaps of money you can't spend... pretty weak imho.
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Lexxan
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posted June 27, 2009 12:36 AM |
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Democracy - I don't know the full details, but Democracies gain bonusses on Assimilation, a Huge bonus to Science and Morale, but a (minor) Penalty to Counterintelligence.
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Nebdar
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posted June 27, 2009 12:42 AM |
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Edited by Nebdar at 00:43, 27 Jun 2009.
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My start
The Galaxy Map at the start so it will be tweaked( The black holes turned into star systems, but still you can't fly through them)
Look close and you will see the bonuses that AI gains on Hard(+1 to combat also ASFAIK)
Obvoiusly Klackoons will be an threat because of their super productivity..
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Lexxan
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posted June 27, 2009 12:46 AM |
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Wow Yeah, that Production is impressive.
(odd, I didn't know the Mrrshan are Feudal.. that would explain why they are so horrendous when it comes to researching)
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Nebdar
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posted June 27, 2009 12:49 AM |
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Quote:
(odd, I didn't know the Mrrshan are Feudal.. that would explain why they are so horrendous when it comes to researching)
No. Wow i didn't noticed that at first sight but They are Naturally Dictatorship 
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Lexxan
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posted June 27, 2009 12:58 AM |
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Well, I noticed they have increased Tax and Population Growth, and both are quite expensive... So I guess it makes sence.
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Mytical
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posted June 27, 2009 06:57 AM |
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Well I learn that years without playing = me not being so hot at this game. Even on easy (right now) I am lagging behind. Even with Sakkra most of my opponits have at least 3 more star systems then me by the time I encounter them. It is sad.
Anyhow, my preferred start is 8 races, Huge, Average, Pre-warp and remove Antarians (for now) Still tweaking my custom race build. Going to have to avoid Creative for now, too much to build. That means I need a good strategy for research. What gets me is if I use the "Iseeall" after I reach space..my opponits have things like Gia/Rich or Terran/Ultrarich planets..what the? The Gnols have had a Gia/Ultrarich!
Think I will have to start on tutorial since it has been eons (or seems that way).
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Nebdar
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posted June 27, 2009 08:58 AM |
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Edited by Nebdar at 09:00, 27 Jun 2009.
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Use the tool use the tool and alll Galaxtic problems and troubles will pass. Just few fixings with the map and everything will be fair and square.
They often got better start. Don't forget Gnolam are Lucky 
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Mytical
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posted June 27, 2009 09:09 AM |
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I can't figure out that tool at all  . I've tried. I may have found a trainer that does the same thing in english however. May being the operative word.
Meanwhile I have figured out a few key things about some of the races.
Polution, Farming, and Radiation advances are absolutely useless for Silicoid. (Just in case somebody doesn't know). Cloning Centers and all things that increase population are very very useful.
When you colonize a planet, you can skip some lower steps with building at first. If something gives a +10 blah blah, with a +2 blah blah then build it first over something that gives a +5 blah blah, with a +1 blah blah
I think my main problem is I try to colonize too early. End up taking everything from research just to build colony ships/etc. Or maybe too late lol..who knows.
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Nebdar
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posted June 27, 2009 09:57 AM |
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Edited by Nebdar at 10:05, 27 Jun 2009.
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First when you open the tool you must point the place where the savegames are the box square with three dots After that of course we choose one savegame. (If some window pop up clikc ok)
Important every time you make all the changes on one player, or star system you must click Ubernehmen -> save the changes
Volker/Designs -> Players and the info about them -> there will be boxes and the amount of them is equall to the player in the game ->
anfurher(in)- Leader name,
Rasse -> race name,
Flagge -> the color of Flag (colors Lila -> purple, Rot-> Red, Braun-> Brown, Grun-> Green, Blau -> Blue, Gelb-> Yellow),
Hauptstadt -> where is your capitol,
Forschungspunkte -> acumulated research points,
Geld-> money. Down there you can change design of the ships...
Sternesysteme/kolonien -> Star systems and colonies, there you have the list of planets sort by the postion they are saved in save game. Remeber you can't have more planets then 249 so ditribute them wise.
You click on one of them and the fisrt you see it is the star system name,
hat eine Wumlochverbindung mit -> It is connected by Wormhole with this system, if it is keine system there is no Wormhole,
Grosse des Sterns-> how big is the picture of your start on Galaxy Map,
Typ des sterns-> color of star (colors see above and, Blau-wieser Steran-> white star,
schwarze Loch-> Black hole,
Blatern -> next or previous planet on the list,
Remeber that the coordinates are for example +717 X -95 Y if you want to use my Exel file....
Every system can have maximum 5 planets so Umlaufbahn #1 -> Planet position in first place,
Erstellen -> take free place(it is only active when there are no planets in this place),
So you can choose
Planet/Asteroid/Gassiere -> Planet/Asteroid Belt/Gas gigant
Winzig/Klein/Mittel/Gross/Reisig-> Tiny/Small/Medium/Large/Huge
Niedrig-G/Normal-G/Hoch-G -> Low-g/Normal-G/Heavy-G
Toxisch/Verstahlt/Unfruchtbar/Wuste/Tundra/Ozean/Sumpf/Durre/Terranish/Gaia -> Toxic/Radiated/Barren/Desert/Tundra/Ocean/Swamp/Arid/Terran/Gaia
UltraArm/Arm/Ergiebig/reich/UltraReich -> UltraPoor/Poor/Abundant/Rich/Ultra Rich
0-9 -> how many food you can produce on this planet. Normaly it is like that:
Toxic/Radiated/Barren -> 0
Desert/Tundra/Arid -> 1
Ocean/Swamp/Terran -> 2
Gaia -> 3 (but you can change it of course
Goldvorkommen/Edelseinvorkommen -> Gold/Gems depostits
Eingeborene -> Natives
Splitterkolonie -> Splinter colony
Antike Artifacte -> Ancient Artifacts
Orion Spezial Systeme -> Orion system special bonus (it gives +5 Research)
And Unbesiedely -> owner of the planet, in this example empty/none
So afetr makin all changes in this ONE system you click always Ubernehmen . When you make all the changes clikc Zuruck-> return.
Speichern-> Save(it goes fast so you have to click anywhere out of the popup box to end wot\rking with this tool by cliking Abbrechen-> abort/Exit.
Raumschiffe-> all the ships that are curenlty built you can edit them and also monster but i didn't translate all( and i don't need this now, maybe some day to put more monsters)
I hope this will help(and you will learn some basics of German language)
And as for colonizing planets in early game. Don't colonize planets that you can't defend
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Mytical
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posted June 27, 2009 10:17 AM |
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Thanks . Going to see if the other trainer I found is in english and works. If not I will deffinately use this guide to help me. Getting tired of seeing all the enemies with 2-3 ultra rich worlds when 90% of everything around me is poor.
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Salamandre
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posted June 27, 2009 10:45 AM |
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There is a map editor where you can edit all the planets. I remember some maps I did with all systems having 4 rich/ultra rich planets and 8 computers. It was stressing.
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Mytical
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posted June 27, 2009 11:02 AM |
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Any clue what the file name is for when I get home? (For the map editor)
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Salamandre
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posted June 27, 2009 11:16 AM |
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Mytical
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posted June 27, 2009 11:19 AM |
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Thanks that link rocks, and thanks to Nebdar for all his help also 
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Salamandre
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posted June 27, 2009 11:41 AM |
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Now that I read Nebdar post, it seems he is talking about the same tool, but in german. The link will give you the english version. And Nebdar is right, save after each modification (not at end, but when you modify a planet, don't modify the next before saving the first), thats how the tool is working.
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Mytical
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posted June 27, 2009 11:43 AM |
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I wish I knew more then one language, heck I wish sometimes I done spoke the gud english . Sure I can say Hi and bye in several langauges, and know "I don't speak your language" in a couple..but that is about it.
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Nebdar
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posted June 27, 2009 11:44 AM |
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Edited by Nebdar at 11:48, 27 Jun 2009.
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ooo yes English version please, i did get the German version from English forum, and because i know some basics of the German i stoped looking...
Hahaha LOL the same page... but diferent tool
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