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posted January 27, 2009 03:19 PM |
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But if they're not in the job market, they're not considered unemployed.  And the people you described wouldn't be in the job market.
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posted January 27, 2009 03:21 PM |
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The creator of the game isn't American. Unemployed = Not Employed in other parts of the world 
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posted January 27, 2009 03:28 PM |
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Defintion of unemployment
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Unemployment occurs when a person is available to work and currently seeking work, but the person is without work.
The creator of NS is Australian. Australia is an English-speaking country.
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posted January 27, 2009 03:33 PM |
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Who said the article wasn't written by an american?
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posted January 27, 2009 03:35 PM |
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It may have been written by an American, but the definition of unemployment is the same everywhere. Besides, I bet a bunch of non-Americans have seen that definition and have not said anything about it.
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posted January 27, 2009 03:48 PM |
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By the way, unemployment happens because people are not needed (most times, in their town area, obviously), that doesn't mean they don't do anything. (for example, a guy who worked in a factory, is unemployed cos let's say, he got replaced by a machine or something like that). And we all know that 80% of manual labor people don't do it because they like what they do, but because they don't want to starve (aka slaving off ). Skama on the other hand, encourages hobbies (and thus people are much better at it, since they do it out of passion or that they like it, not that they are forced to do it cause they don't wanna starve)
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posted January 27, 2009 04:47 PM |
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In Mvassland, when people are replaced by a machine or if their job is outsourced, there are extensive retraining and education programs to get them a new job. And there's no minimum wage, either, so they could ask for lower wages. So there must be something else.
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posted January 27, 2009 04:52 PM |
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And there's no minimum wage, either, so they could ask for lower wages.
Doubt they can beat a machine that doesn't even sleep
Who cares that they go through all sorts of 'rehabilitation' or whatever? They can't find jobs, because in a capitalistic system, you either OWN A LOT of stuff and live in paradise, or are screwed up. Funny thing is that only a few percentage can "own" stuff, the majority of hard-working workers don't and become unemployed easily.
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posted January 27, 2009 05:19 PM |
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They could work in addition to the machine. Just because there's a machine doing their job doesn't mean that they can't do it as well, for lower wages, of course.
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They can't find jobs, because in a capitalistic system, you either OWN A LOT of stuff and live in paradise, or are screwed up.
lol, just lol
I assure you that my parents and my friends' parents don't "own a lot of stuff", but they're hardly screwed up.
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posted January 27, 2009 06:27 PM |
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lol, just lol
I assure you that my parents and my friends' parents don't "own a lot of stuff", but they're hardly screwed up.
ok but then, they shouldn't come crying or frustrated cause the employer fired them without giving reason, right?
by screwed up, I meant that your life (and your future) is unpredictable and at the hands of someone else. Either that or asking for lower wages, which SCREWS your life, believe it or not. (at least compared to the one who "owns" stuff )
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posted January 27, 2009 07:00 PM |
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they shouldn't come crying or frustrated cause the employer fired them without giving reason, right?
No, they shouldn't, and they don't.
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by screwed up, I meant that your life (and your future) is unpredictable and at the hands of someone else
My dad is self-employed (but wasn't always self-employed). A friend's dad is kind of self-employed. Another friend's parents are employed, and don't complain about being worried about getting fired.
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posted January 27, 2009 07:01 PM |
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Hmm again you confuse me. How can someone be self-employed and get "fired" against his will? Makes no sense to me.
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posted January 27, 2009 07:25 PM |
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It's true that they can't get fired, but they may not be able to find customers - and that would result in the same thing.
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posted January 27, 2009 07:33 PM |
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but he wouldn't still have to look for a new job
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posted January 27, 2009 07:34 PM |
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He would, since even though he would be employed, his business would have no money with which to pay him.
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posted January 27, 2009 07:36 PM |
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Not necessarily, he could stay at the job, even without making any money
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posted January 27, 2009 07:46 PM |
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posted January 27, 2009 07:48 PM |
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Who cares? The point is that he is not unemployed.
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posted January 27, 2009 07:54 PM |
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Yeah, and he's happy with the system, even though he's not rich and is vulnerable to fluctuations in the market.
Edit: So Mvassreich is one of the most popular tourist destinations. What, do tourists come to see Mvassreichers be oppressed? 
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posted January 28, 2009 02:42 PM |
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People like to go to Cuba and south-american countries as well, so yeah, suffering is kewl!
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