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posted January 28, 2009 02:47 PM |
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Quote: It may have been written by an American, but the definition of unemployment is the same everywhere. Besides, I bet a bunch of non-Americans have seen that definition and have not said anything about it.
Unemployed = Do not have work. Aka "un" as not, and "employed" as in somewhere to work.
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posted January 28, 2009 02:51 PM |
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Dagoth:
Yes, but that's because they have beaches/rain forests, not because they're oppressive. Plus, South America isn't as oppressive as it once was.
del_diablo:
Wrong.
Wikipedia: "Unemployment occurs when a person is available to work and currently seeking work, but the person is without work."
That is, if you have no job and aren't looking for one, then you are not unemployed - you're just not employed.
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posted January 28, 2009 03:04 PM |
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Quote: That is, if you have no job and aren't looking for one, then you are not unemployed - you're just not employed.
Wrong. If you got no job your unemployed, if you are stinking rich and don't need to work you are still unemployed unless you DO get work(buying yourself into companys).
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posted January 28, 2009 03:09 PM |
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posted January 28, 2009 03:10 PM |
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That's not what the definition of "unemployment" is. You are not unemployed unless you are looking for a job. If you're so rich you don't need a job, or are too young to have a job, or just aren't looking for one for whatever reason - then you are not unemployed. You're not employed, which isn't the same thing.
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posted January 28, 2009 03:15 PM |
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Another dictionary
That's the global definition of unemployed and not the mvass definition of unemployed.
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posted January 28, 2009 03:27 PM |
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Quote: f you're so rich you don't need a job, or are too young to have a job, or just aren't looking for one for whatever reason - then you are not unemployed. You're not employed, which isn't the same thing.
To young: Your likely a student. So in a way your employed.
If you cannot work, however then you cannot be unemployed. You would still not have a job, but you cannot possible aquire a job either.
If you are rich and not working, then you are unemployed. "Occupation: Stinking rich/unemployed".
And you can look for another job if you already have one.
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posted January 28, 2009 03:28 PM |
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posted January 28, 2009 03:34 PM |
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Why is this "unemployed?means what?" debate still going?
Isn't it clear that Unemployed=Not working?
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posted January 28, 2009 03:38 PM |
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posted January 28, 2009 03:40 PM |
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Or like some immigrants here:Not looking for work, living off the governments money
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posted January 29, 2009 05:08 PM |
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Like I previously said, but no one listens, the reason there are conflicting definitions is that there are two (main) definitions of 'unemployment':
1) The american definition
2) The rest-of-the-world definition
This doesn't mean an european can't use the american definition of vice-versa (I can use inches too for my measurements ). It means either where it originates from or the idea of mentality. Since America is very centered around capitalism (much like a religion I would say) that's probably why it got 'modified'.
Also, I prefer English, not British English, so I am not anti-american in case you wonder
Quote: Edit: So Mvassreich is one of the most popular tourist destinations. What, do tourists come to see Mvassreichers be oppressed?
Well it's not like it's going to be that oppressive for tourists -- it's a valuable economic 'job' after all. So it's not much oppression, maybe they do like a bit of oppression in their times just for "being there, the challenge" you know? Like those hiking on dangerous mountains etc...
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posted January 29, 2009 08:45 PM |
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Quote: The Issue
All of Dark Heresh has been in an uproar since yesterday when a car exploded in the middle of the capital city, killing dozens and injuring hundreds. This terrorist act was traced back to a violent minority group known as the Lilliputian Freedom Fighters. A group allegedly supported by an unfriendly regime, despising Dark Heresh for its heathenish ways and political bent, but more particularly for supporting the recent occupation of their homeland by an ally.
The Debate
1. "They simply crossed the line!" shouts General Violet Utopia. "Far too long have we tolerated these terrorist threats, it's time that they realise they can't mess with us. Send the order to prepare an invasion, and we will show them who is boss! Our brave soldiers are prepared to die for their country, all we need is your signature and a lot of money. But what is the cost of freedom and safety for Dark Heresh's peoples?"
2. "Attacking another country isn't the answer," says Violet Frederickson, director of the Dark Heresh Intelligence Agency. "The problem doesn't lie abroad, but within Dark Heresh itself! We should have more freedom to do our work. Protecting our nation from these cowardly scaremongerers would be much easier if we had an inherent right to tap phones and other communications, get search warrants whenever we need, and detain suspects indefinitely. Remember, to prevent is better than to cure."
3. "No, that's what those terrorists want us to do!" speculates chairman Billy Longbottom of the Patriots' Tea and Biscuits Club. "We don't want to give the Agency any more responsibility, they're the ones who messed up in the first place. What we need is to purge Dark Heresh of these rats who don't respect the laws and traditions of our way of life. We know who they are and where they come from, so the solution is obvious: we just won't let those sorts of people cross our borders and kick out those who are already here. It might seem a bit harsh, but hey, we were here first. Long live Dark Heresh!"
4. "I think it's clear to anyone with half a brain in their head that this will just not work," says Beth Gutenberg, a noted professor of social studies. "The people who perpetrate these terrible crimes do so because they feel they have no other recourse to demonstrate their political opinions. They'll do anything and I'm sure they're not above hiring mercenaries. You must understand why terrorists act as they do and fix it! What we should do is to reach out to the ethnic and religious minorities and seek common ground! Negotiation is the key! Violence solves nothing."
"Dark Heresh Annexes a ridiculously named nation and scores 100 points"
+My training is tougher than most battles are, and my army of limitless super soldiers will feel nothing if they lose a couple thousand men
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posted January 30, 2009 12:32 AM |
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Quote: 1) The american definition
2) The rest-of-the-world definition
It's not the American definition - it's the worldwide definition. For example, the Russian word for unemployment - "bezrabotitsa" - also means that someone is looking for work, but can't find it. You'd hardly say that a retired person is unemployed, would you?
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Quote: +My training is tougher than most battles are, and my army of limitless super soldiers will feel nothing if they lose a couple thousand men
Careful not to step on Bush's toes in Iraq
@mvass: is there any other such word? Maybe your word doesn't translate to 'unemployment' and if it did, it's because english is ambiguous here.
Anyway why are we even arguing about this? I have a feeling it just means "not employed" because, you know, it's more compact and sounds nicer.
"The number of not employed people..." sounds bad.
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posted January 30, 2009 02:21 PM |
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No, there's no other word, neither in English nor in Russian. And the unemployment rate measures the percentage of people who are looking for jobs and don't have them - not the percentage of people without jobs, as that would be much higher.
Mvassreich is finally a Psychotic Dictatorship!
And Mvassland is weird.Quote: There is no government in the normal sense of the word... the government seizes the property of the recently deceased
What?
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posted January 30, 2009 03:15 PM |
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Quote: And Mvassland is weird.
Well told you before, you had the highest youth-related crime in the region, yet it says "Crime is totally unknown"
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posted January 30, 2009 08:17 PM |
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Quote: And the unemployment rate measures the percentage of people who are looking for jobs and don't have them - not the percentage of people without jobs, as that would be much higher.
Right, so how do you 'measure' whether they are looking for a job or plan to get a job? Polls?
Honesty?
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posted January 30, 2009 10:45 PM |
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To receive unemployment benefits, they have to register as being unemployed.
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posted January 30, 2009 10:57 PM |
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Anyone can do that.
Wasn't that my point? What's the point of not registering, even if you don't plan to get employed
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