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Coldfyrius
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posted August 14, 2001 08:01 PM |
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Currently the vote tally is 5-4-1, which means that, out of the people who care, 54.5454545454545454545454...% want QPs to go.
I also want to point out the humorous fact that 2 people have gotten quality posts for their defenses of the existence of QPs.
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Sha_Men
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Jack-Of-No-Trades
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posted August 14, 2001 08:05 PM |
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Craig Hack...
I just mention your name...
To say...
Peace.
(This isn't sarcasm BTW)
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malkia
Promising
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posted August 15, 2001 01:43 AM |
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It's just common courtesy, like not smoking at somebody's house if they have a problem with it.
Well, Unka, moderators should supervise and conduct the morals of this forum, i think.... People are those who must qualify how good the posts are... That's why it's community... not the roman empire  (or may be it is?)
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UnkaHaakon
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happily tilting at windmills
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posted August 15, 2001 02:53 AM |
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Currently the vote tally is 5-4-1, which means that, out of the people who care, 54.5454545454545454545454...% want QPs to go.
I also want to point out the humorous fact that 2 people have gotten quality posts for their defenses of the existence of QPs.
And if you look at REPLIES to the thread, you'll see, of people expressing a preference and explaining why, the data goes the other way.
It's obviously a subject where some people have strong opinions.
But, I wonder, if you had bothered to design a neutral poll, instead of stating your opinions, and then asking people to agree with you, what the results would be?
One of the things I do for a living is data analysis. I also worked for 3 years in survey design. The data you are crowing about are so skewed as to be worthless in any real world situation. This is not an attack on you, just a professional assessment. Feelings are subjective. Feel any way you want, and express those feelings freely. But don't start bringing data into any conversation I'm around without expecting that data to be scrutinized and questioned.
Here's a "humorous fact" for you: the people complaining most about quality points tend to have hundreds of posts, but no quality points. Now, if that statement annoys you, think about some of your own "humor".
Would I feel the same way about quality points if I didn't have any? Well, I thought it was a good idea when it was first announced. Check the archives.
Are there "top 2%" posts that are not being recognized? In my opinion, yes. But the moderators are only human, and don't see everything. If someone sees a really good post, try emailing or IMing one of the Mod Squad and asking them to look at it. I don't think anybody would claim the system is perfect, but it seems to be working.
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Coldfyrius
Promising
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Vice-God for Marketing
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posted August 15, 2001 04:04 AM |
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Here's a "humorous fact" for you: the people complaining most about quality points tend to have hundreds of posts, but no quality points. Now, if that statement annoys you, think about some of your own "humor".
1. Some people can't take a joke. 2. No, that statement didn't really annoy me, but touche anyways.
3. My proposed replacement for quality points and post counts (total number of posted words) would reduce MY relative stature even more, as I tend to write really short posts, as opposed to some people who can go on for hundreds of words at a time.
Post Scriptum:Yeah, I know about margin of error in small samples. Just keeping people informed. Jeez.
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"All the punks are gonna scream, 'yippee!'/ 'Cuz it's the thing that only eats hippies."
-The Dead Milkmen
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arachnid
Promising
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posted August 16, 2001 01:02 PM |
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I voted for option 3.......... and my reason? Oh
Just that i wish to say that I have nothing to say about the matter.
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Coldfyrius
Promising
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Vice-God for Marketing
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posted August 16, 2001 02:59 PM |
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Heheheh. Nice to see that some people can take a joke. Man, this thread almost died after my last post. C'mon, think of something to say.
Here's my alternative for those who didn't notice it the first time:
1. Eliminate post counts and quality posts.
2. Base ranking/stars on total number of words posted. Thus, posting on the Word Association Game would get you 1 point. Posting a lengthy strategy guide that takes a page to print out gives you about 250 points. Obviously we would need to increase the number of posts that atre needed to get a specific rating. We can base this on the average length of a post.
3. To show that certain players have done bad things on the fora, the number of warinings a player has received will be listed below their word count.
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"All the punks are gonna scream, 'yippee!'/ 'Cuz it's the thing that only eats hippies."
-The Dead Milkmen
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Zud
Promising
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posted August 16, 2001 03:24 PM |
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alternative system.....ummmm.....Why
I really see no reason or advantage to your system cold. It seems to be working rather well as is. I see no advantage to changing over to a word count system.
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ogre
Tavern Dweller
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posted August 16, 2001 06:44 PM |
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please explain
i am new here.i do not understand the stars thing.the "quality post" stars are self explanatory but what are the gold stars for?and what do titles like "tavern dweller"and "adventuring hero" mean?the Moderator mentioned something about this being a "game" what is it?(i tried looking at the faq but that did not help much)
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Viper
Known Hero
Lord of Black Magic
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posted August 16, 2001 06:52 PM |
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Gold stars show how many posts do you have (correct me if i'll make a mistake)
stars posts
1 - dont remember
2 - 51
3 - 121
4 - 301
Red stars show quality of your posts
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Oldtimer
Honorable
Supreme Hero
Please leave a message after..
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posted August 16, 2001 07:28 PM |
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Cold,
A word count system would be the worst of all possible systems. Could you imagine how long some posts would get for the star seeking members? Some posts are brutally long now, it gets so its hard to read.
Consise...its a word that we all should get to know.
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Sha_Men
Responsible
Supreme Hero
Jack-Of-No-Trades
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posted August 16, 2001 07:47 PM |
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Are you saying something here, Oldtimer?
You aren't referring to my "long" post now? Are you?
LOL
I just made decision that I try to be more short and precise in the future. That should make everyone happy. And this time you can all read my messages and not just skip them.
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Coldfyrius
Promising
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Vice-God for Marketing
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posted August 16, 2001 09:46 PM |
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Racking up post counts is easy if you have a friend with you and you are playing the Word Association Game. Post the same word over and over again and in 1 hour, most of which you can spend doing something else, you're both 1-star heroes.
Racking up a long word count is harder; since getting to 1 star will take about 2000 words, a person can't do it in an hour.
And as to why I think my system is superior:
Post count totals can be deceiving. I'm sure some people with less than 200 posts have posted more words than me. Ichon comes to mind. Words measure total amount of input better; would anybody argue that one of Incubus' "new town" posts is worth the same as one go at the WAG?
Quality point aren't exactly objective; the moderators determine who gets them, and there's no real way of disagreeing with them that doesn't involve ****ing off the person who got the point.
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"All the punks are gonna scream, 'yippee!'/ 'Cuz it's the thing that only eats hippies."
-The Dead Milkmen
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Zud
Promising
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posted August 16, 2001 09:59 PM |
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Hey Coldie ;)
So if they get rid of the (Stupid IMHO) word association game then what U dislike about this board is just about fixed, no?
and if it is word count like you say (Incubus would have even more stars based on his new town and creature dissertations) Hey, I can surf the internet and cut and paste with the best of them, So if it was word count and I really wanted to jump up in posts, No Problem
as said earlier I think its working fine in its current state, and as for the quality points, why shouldnt the moderators have personal judgement on awarding them? They run the board !!!
If you have so many problems with it, let us all know when you have your "word count" board up, then we can see how it is working for ya 
P.S. Never tell people the name you dont wanna be called
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Coldfyrius
Promising
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posted August 17, 2001 04:16 AM |
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So if they get rid of the (Stupid IMHO) word association game then what U dislike about this board is just about fixed, no?
The WAG was just a convenient example. You couuld also substitute something like posting on a poll to say nothing but "I voted for Option 2," or posting "LMAO, Zud!"
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and if it is word count like you say (Incubus would have even more stars based on his new town and creature dissertations) Hey, I can surf the internet and cut and paste with the best of them, So if it was word count and I really wanted to jump up in posts, No Problem
Ever heard of moderators?
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as said earlier I think its working fine in its current state, and as for the quality points, why shouldnt the moderators have personal judgement on awarding them? They run the board !!!
The moderators already have a lot of extra clout in the fora, and have the power to add legitiamcy to a thread. If a moderator really thinks a post is good, he can just come right out and say, "Excellent point, Shae_Trielle." That way we know that, for example, Angelspit is saying that post XZ is really good, instead of just getting an anonymous suggestion to that effect.
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If you have so many problems with it, let us all know when you have your "word count" board up, then we can see how it is working for ya
Why in the name of Allah would I do that!? It would take a huge amount of energy, and I'd have no guarantee of getting more than a half-dozen posters. Jesus Cha-rist on the cross, all this was was a simple suggestion for something I thought might improve the already-great Heroes Community just a little more.
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P.S. Never tell people the name you dont wanna be called
Actually, I only mind when Shae says it. I don't knowm why; I just do.
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"All the punks are gonna scream, 'yippee!'/ 'Cuz it's the thing that only eats hippies."
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Zune
Adventuring Hero
of Tatalia
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posted August 17, 2001 03:46 PM |
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what do titles like "tavern dweller"and "adventuring hero" mean?
no (gold) stars - tavern dweller
1 star - hired hero
2 stars - adventuring hero
3 stars - known hero
4 stars - famous hero
5 stars - supreme hero
6 stars - no idea, nobody has got that many
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thunderknight
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Famous Hero
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posted August 18, 2001 01:58 PM |
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Coldfyrius, I got to disagree with your proposal.
Word count is not a good idea. Why ?
1). It takes mods too much effort. They already do a great job and they don't got paid for that.
2). Quantity not equals to quality. Number of words not equals to amount of input.
3). If ppl want to boost up their "yellow/gold stars", they can do it anyway no matter you use post count or word count. Word count can also be deceiving. I think Zud has said enough for that.
As for the quality point system. Yes, they are not "perfectly objective". But, hey, we are all human and
subjectivity is one of the key feature of human or maybe you can call it emotion/view/perception...........
And ya, some of good posts (at least I think they are good posts) did not get the bonus. But so what, those posts already got the recognition from ppl read them, though may not be the top 2% in mods' minds.
BTW, many great artists got the recognition they deserve long after their death.
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Sha_Men
Responsible
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Jack-Of-No-Trades
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posted August 18, 2001 02:40 PM |
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Coming back to discussion..
I must now say that I have decided never ever to say "goodbye" to some discussion. Some people (not names mentioned here) take offense from even that. So ignoring doesn't work. Maybe now that I jump now back but get then executed as immediately. I take my chance here now. Yes, this is also long and boring.
I think you all should read "last reply to censorship" which covers some aspects of penalties before going into twilight zone including fat ugly bastard and fake coward.
Well if we look at quality points invidually as only some kind of sign which posts are into the top stuff according to moderators why there are red stars?
I mean isn't that meant present as "overall" quality?
Doesn't that mean just that because penalties take some of those stars away as sign of decreasing the overall quality level?
I can't say how many people even with that poll of your Coldfyrious (did I spell it right now) are truly supporting this Yellow/Redstarsystem. I don't trust polls. If you place the option right you can get almost any answer question involved unless it's direct yes/no question.
Question is do we need RedStarSystem of any kind? Or does just quality points are enough? I think people see this system differently as I said above. Some see it as some kind of mark of overall quality which is supported I think BTW idea of penalties. For some it doesn't mean quality and is no sign of respect. I have no need to be respected here specially even if I have some quality posts. My opinion is that you have to respect all here in board and try to understand whatever their opinion is. If there is criminal in community does this mean he must not be respected? How about someone said something really offensive but didn't get penalty? How about that one? Yes, moderators make the choice but I'm not sure is this "their" forum. If they would want that they would be babbling here by themselves and I think this community would be very dead. Maybe they could give quality points to each other then. LOL. No offence here but isn't this place for HoMM fans? Not for moderators only? I might be wrong of course. Moderators can lead this place anyway they want but I would say they have to listen those who visit this especially those who visit REGULARLY not taking any from those who don't visit so often.
I think that system I said earlier in that "Does anybody care about redstars?" thread was better than wordcount system but that just me talking here.
My conclusion is that maybe we have to wait some time to see how this system really works. I think this community doesn't have enough members right now. There are only few people especially posting here something that "must" be read to order to keep hang on subjects. I'm not sure is this current system the one that courages people to post better and more often. I'm not sure at all. But I just can't think any better system right now. Maybe you Coldfyrious come back later with better system but really do you think word count system would work. I think you are being really logical in many posts you have made but now I think you aren't really looking the facts.
Is this only because you don't have yet so many quality points? Sorry I asked this because I have been asked this too and I got angry because of this. I think there are people who get hugely offended when asked about this. But if I visit this place as often as now in the future I might get quality points. But does this mean my respect does come up? If we would want really some respect-meter here maybe we would have to have green (LOL or blue) that would represent "honor" or such towards other posters. I think that would make those people more respected than those quality post counts that are just based into mods opinions.
I spoke about objectiveness here earlier. Shae said thay you can't be objective really. Yes, of course everything is "subjective" but that just idea of everything divided to two talking in us. Shae said earlier that he has noticed those posts that get quality points very easily from others. This is what I mean. If people look post even if he disagrees with posters "subjective" opinion that maybe is revolutionary or not, has maybe some feelings too but especially has some thoughts that are well reasoned when looked over almost everybody will say that post does qualify for quality point. That I mean with "objectivity". Of course now and then there are posts that nobody can agree so should they be awarded with quality points? I maybe picked some words badly there to describe different posts but I think everybody gets the idea what I'm talking here.
Maybe it's mods choice but are those quality points meant for moderators or posters to look at? So if most posters disagree some post that got quality points the mods are still right because they know their job? Or if some doesn't get quality point and people don't understand why, mods are right? Please don't goto defend mods because I have no thing against them here. I just say that if people want to develop the system isn't that the way it should be? I mean mods make the final decision but it's for the people in the end...
I have keeped this whole thing long in my mind tried to find different solutions but haven't found one. I'm not sure is this system going to change to something else but I think mods should listen how it could be changed to fit how people like it.
I sometimes have dramatic end in my message but I'm not really like that. I don't like dramatic "big" words so I leave this time the end like this.
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Incubus
Disgraceful
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posted August 18, 2001 03:11 PM |
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(Incubus would have even more stars based on his new town and creature dissertations) Hey, I can surf the internet and cut and paste with the best of them, So if it was word count and I really wanted to jump up in posts, No Problem
P.S. Never tell people the name you dont wanna be called
Hmmm zud.... so you are thinking i take all of that stuff from another site and then place it here???/ whahahaahahah you are a fool zuD! Don't mention my name anymore would you?
Do you really think that there is another incubus.. that also put an succubus and a incubus in a town? ANYOTHER person would put in only humans and crusadars.. that's why my towns are very rare >;o)
Also it seems to me.. when i look at only this topic.. i see uukamon and shae trielle(no offence) but they both get a red star for NON-heroes of might and magic stuff. i think coldfyrius is right.. I think the red star system is only ment for NON-heroes stuff.
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Sha_Men
Responsible
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posted August 18, 2001 05:16 PM |
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*Laughs*
Sorry Incubus but that is so funny...
So you are saying that site that is about HoMM which is also called "Heroes Community" Quality points are given to posts that aren't about HoMM?
LOL
So when Oldtimer and I (Just example) got quality point from "Raize towns" thread it wasn't about HoMM?
Or maybe you not mean HoMM but that quality points are not given when discussed about "creatures"...
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